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In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards.

Specifically, citing a Ukrainian or Russian source for your claims is going to get you banned. Opinions/facts/accusations arising from neutral media sources (i.e. media whose country of origin is not Ukraine, Russia or one of its puppet states) will be permitted. This policy extends to all forms of media; if a youtube video or picture has not come through a neutral media source then don't post it or you'll be banned. If you wish to discuss this policy please use this website feedback thread.

Updated policy on aggressive posting and insults.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 20:35 GMT
#341
On July 18 2014 05:28 zeo wrote:


A Spanish air-traffic controller in Kiev saying that the 777 was followed by two fighter jets minutes before it was shot down. On his account he goes on to say that soon after, all foreigners were escorted out and radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Ah zeo's finally popped up something he scraped up, let's see how well it holds
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 20:38 GMT
#342


I guess those fighter jets were firing their SAMs from the airfield
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 17 2014 20:39 GMT
#343
Geez, I suppose it was too much to hope for that this thread would not be littered with runaway speculation.

Any news on the black box? That is about the only hard evidence we are likely to get in the near future.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 20:40:44
July 17 2014 20:39 GMT
#344
Apparently the airspace it flew over was closed up to 32000 feet.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mh17-was-operating-above-closed-airspace-eurocontrol-401742/

A NOTAM was posted on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/2ayk8v/twitter_breaking_malaysian_passenger_airliner/cj049i9

That NOTAM says those airways are closed up to FL320. MAS17 was at FL330. Not saying it was the safest thing to be there but it wasn't against any rules.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6129612/#20



high res pictures of crash site (no bodies shown)

http://drugoi.livejournal.com/4014093.html
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 17 2014 20:40 GMT
#345
On July 18 2014 05:26 Cheerio wrote:


Separatist: on TV they report it was AN-26, a Ukrainian transport, but they say [unclear who exactly: either on TV or from internal sources] it has "Malaysian Airlines" insignia on it. What was it doing over Ukraine?

Kozitsin: clearly they were transporting spies. Should not have flown over this territory, there is a fucking war going on.

gotta love paranoid, delusional people incapable of applying simple logic and reason who have weapons capable of mass slaughter. yay earth.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
July 17 2014 20:40 GMT
#346
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 20:40 GMT
#347
On July 18 2014 05:39 LegalLord wrote:
Geez, I suppose it was too much to hope for that this thread would not be littered with runaway speculation.

Any news on the black box? That is about the only hard evidence we are likely to get in the near future.

What's a black box going to give you? As far as I know, passenger jets do not have missile warning systems, or any other data that could indicate where the missile originated from.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
July 17 2014 20:41 GMT
#348
I feel really bad for Malaysian Airlines, having to deal with two plane crashes in a few months must be a nightmare.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 17 2014 20:42 GMT
#349
On July 18 2014 05:41 Ettick wrote:
I feel really bad for Malaysian Airlines, having to deal with two plane crashes in a few months must be a nightmare.


You are feeling bad for the company?
I don't even.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 17 2014 20:43 GMT
#350
On July 18 2014 05:40 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:39 LegalLord wrote:
Geez, I suppose it was too much to hope for that this thread would not be littered with runaway speculation.

Any news on the black box? That is about the only hard evidence we are likely to get in the near future.

What's a black box going to give you? As far as I know, passenger jets do not have missile warning systems, or any other data that could indicate where the missile originated from.

How it went down, any notice of engine troubles, timings, transmissions, etc.

Reading the transcript of the KAL 007 box did give a fair bit of insight into what happened there, for example.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007_transcripts
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 17 2014 20:43 GMT
#351
On July 18 2014 05:42 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:41 Ettick wrote:
I feel really bad for Malaysian Airlines, having to deal with two plane crashes in a few months must be a nightmare.


You are feeling bad for the company?
I don't even.

He can feel bad for them. Its ok. I do too. It must suck, they lose co-workers. I also feel bad for the people on the plane.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
July 17 2014 20:43 GMT
#352
On July 18 2014 05:40 farvacola wrote:
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.

Black box contains audio from the crew communication. If it indeed it was a rocket there must be some audio clues like a simple "we've been hit xxx is not working/responding" by the cockpit crew.
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
July 17 2014 20:45 GMT
#353
Malaysian Prime Minister in press conference:

"If it is concluded that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators be brought to justice"
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
July 17 2014 20:46 GMT
#354
That the plane was hit by a missile is almost certain at this point though.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
July 17 2014 20:47 GMT
#355
Can someone provides the radar picture of weather at the time that plane was shot down, I wanna see how cloudy it was, my theory is that if the plane flew above the clouds, the separatists shot blindly at the plane they saw on radar and thought it belonged to Ukraine army.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 20:50:09
July 17 2014 20:48 GMT
#356
On July 18 2014 05:43 Jochan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:40 farvacola wrote:
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.

Black box contains audio from the crew communication. If it indeed it was a rocket there must be some audio clues like a simple "we've been hit xxx is not working/responding" by the cockpit crew.


If it's a rocket, everyone will be dead the second it hit, and most likely wouldn't even noticed anything until that time. Not like they hit a bird and cruised for 15 min or anything.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 17 2014 20:49 GMT
#357
On July 18 2014 05:48 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:43 Jochan wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:40 farvacola wrote:
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.

Black box contains audio from the crew communication. If it indeed it was a rocket there must be some audio clues like a simple "we've been hit xxx is not working/responding" by the cockpit crew.


If it's a rocket, it's just BAM. They most likely wouldn't even noticed anything until everything is in pieces. Not like they hit a bird and cruised for 15 min or anything.

Not always, and even if so, that's a pretty good clue as to what happened.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 17 2014 20:50 GMT
#358
On July 18 2014 05:49 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:48 ragz_gt wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:43 Jochan wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:40 farvacola wrote:
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.

Black box contains audio from the crew communication. If it indeed it was a rocket there must be some audio clues like a simple "we've been hit xxx is not working/responding" by the cockpit crew.


If it's a rocket, it's just BAM. They most likely wouldn't even noticed anything until everything is in pieces. Not like they hit a bird and cruised for 15 min or anything.

Not always, and even if so, that's a pretty good clue as to what happened.


We know what happened. Just not who.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18770 Posts
July 17 2014 20:51 GMT
#359
Can someone tell me why Governments still have no data about who was on the plane and who wasn't? -.-
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46626 Posts
July 17 2014 20:51 GMT
#360
On July 18 2014 05:50 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 05:49 LegalLord wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:48 ragz_gt wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:43 Jochan wrote:
On July 18 2014 05:40 farvacola wrote:
The black box will be of middling relevance due to the fact that internal error was not the cause of the crash.

Black box contains audio from the crew communication. If it indeed it was a rocket there must be some audio clues like a simple "we've been hit xxx is not working/responding" by the cockpit crew.


If it's a rocket, it's just BAM. They most likely wouldn't even noticed anything until everything is in pieces. Not like they hit a bird and cruised for 15 min or anything.

Not always, and even if so, that's a pretty good clue as to what happened.


We know what happened. Just not who.


Who are the most likely candidates and why?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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