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In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards.

Specifically, citing a Ukrainian or Russian source for your claims is going to get you banned. Opinions/facts/accusations arising from neutral media sources (i.e. media whose country of origin is not Ukraine, Russia or one of its puppet states) will be permitted. This policy extends to all forms of media; if a youtube video or picture has not come through a neutral media source then don't post it or you'll be banned. If you wish to discuss this policy please use this website feedback thread.

Updated policy on aggressive posting and insults.
SleepyDreams
Profile Joined July 2012
600 Posts
July 17 2014 19:13 GMT
#241
alright this is the end for MAS. Unlucky or stupidity?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 17 2014 19:13 GMT
#242
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD
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mainerd
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States347 Posts
July 17 2014 19:13 GMT
#243
Seems like the separatists slipped up and shot down something they shouldn't have. That or this plane wasn't even shot down and just had some in flight accident that caused the crash. Do people really believe the Ukranian army would have shot it down when they aren't in a struggle for air power in the first place? Or that this is a 'false flag' operation and a group of sociopaths in the Ukranian government and military came together to kill hundreds of innocents for some unpredictable international relation results? I swear every time I hear someone claim false flag, the circumstances are always stranger than the last.
"Let me tell you, in eSTRO we had some circle jerks, straight up. It wasn't pretty." -NonY
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 17 2014 19:14 GMT
#244
On July 18 2014 04:10 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 04:07 Steveling wrote:
The thing is that the russians have no reason at all to do this.
But nato does.

Assuming it wasn't an accident by either party.


I find the word "accident" used in this context questionable at best. You don't "accidentally" snipe an airliner 11km up in the air.


it can happn accidentally in fact

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 19:15:43
July 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#245
On July 18 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD

because your post is idiotic. The rebels have motiv to shoot down Ukrainian aircraft. We have social media proof of a rebel leader claiming to have exactly done that. Because the rebels are bloody idiots they hit a civil plane without even noticing it. No one here besides zeo is agreeing with your narrative.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#246
liveuamap.com is reporting that seperatists are not allowing emergency vehicles access to the site, and are planning on handing over the flight-data recorders to Moscow.

Additionally there are reports (and photos) of SA-11 BUKs in the towns of Torez and Snizhne, including a photo of a supposed missile-track.

BBC's Moscow correspondent is now claiming that 'local police' will be conducting the preliminary investigation.


Dutch news sources have reported that the bodies are being looted...
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
July 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#247
On July 18 2014 04:07 Steveling wrote:
The thing is that the russians have no reason at all to do this.
But nato does.

This should actually be bannable holy shit.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
July 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#248
On July 18 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD

Who agrees with you? Stop making conspiratorial claims.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#249
On July 18 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD

People don't agree with you. And you didn't read the mod note that says "don't throw around baseless accusations without a source".
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 17 2014 19:17 GMT
#250
On July 18 2014 04:03 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 03:58 Jormundr wrote:
On July 18 2014 03:54 farvacola wrote:
Zeo is a star of Putin's gymnastics team; those concerned with actual discussion best leave him to his anti-western antics.

He is an exceptional gymnast. So far today he has questioned the legitimacy of Itar-tass articles that were published during the period where he considered Itar-tass to be an exemplary news provider and stated that the rebels would be unable to operate pretty standard military equipment because they are no more sophisticated than "criminals".

I'm sorry that I asked for sources when ludicrous claims are made. You have people who laugh at RT being used as a source yet when something said in a one paragraph article fits their agenda, suddenly 'stop the presses, most reliable shit ever written'. Even in the Itar-tass article it clearly says it is unclear if the system is operational.

SAM systems are not 'pretty standard military equipment'.

And stop with the personal attacks.

Aw run out of steam already? I've made fun of the way you argue; that's not a personal attack. You are the one who has constantly "stopped the presses" by consistently saying that contradictory information provided solely by Itar-tass/RussiaToday is only possible truth. The fact that you now attempt to discredit the sources you once praised so highly is why you're being called a mental gymnast. The itar-tass article says it's unclear if the system was operational over two weeks ago. It is not at all 'ludicrous' to claim that their operational status became less 'unclear' in the 18 days between that article being written and today.

SAM systems are pretty standard. NK probably even has them.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
July 17 2014 19:19 GMT
#251
On July 18 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD

We do?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#252
On July 18 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote:
So why did I get warned since everyone agrees with me? xD


The reason for your warning is available right on top of this thread. Whether or not people agree with you is of less import. If you have any further questions about moderation, please take them to Website Feedback.
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zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#253
On July 18 2014 04:15 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 04:07 Steveling wrote:
The thing is that the russians have no reason at all to do this.
But nato does.

This should actually be bannable holy shit.


Why should it be bannable? You should read more history and you will find that "false flag stuff" occurs more often than one might think.
(:
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#254
There are too many parties interested in throwing this on Russia to it being played down to an accident.
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skaffaNL
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands55 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#255
Dutch media reports that at least 55 passengers are from the Netherlands. Might be more.

I've seen a couple of Dutch pasports on twitter already, 2 out of 3 are children.
it makes me sick to my stomach, hope the people who did it will burn in hell
It's getting too hot!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#256
So rebels are deleting all mention of Russian supplying them with AA systems etc.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DrCooper
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany261 Posts
July 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#257
Man there is some conspiracy going on with Malaysia Airlines. First MH370 now this.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 17 2014 19:21 GMT
#258
Could anyone give me a quick rundown of what "false flag" is?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 19:23:07
July 17 2014 19:22 GMT
#259
On July 18 2014 04:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Could anyone give me a quick rundown of what "false flag" is?


False flag (or black flag) describes covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. Geraint Hughes uses the term to refer to those acts carried out by "military or security force personnel, which are then blamed on terrorists."
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
July 17 2014 19:22 GMT
#260
Why are they posting pictures of passports in any official capacity? Instead of at least releasing names to their respective countries and such? Seems really fucked up.
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