Isla Vista Shooting - Page 5

On May 25 2014 23:41 Crushinator wrote:
Wow, those videos are very strange. The weird movie villain laughs and rhetoric make it seem so surreal that he actually went out and did it.

On May 25 2014 22:07 phosphorylation wrote:
This might be a controversial post but I am going to say it anyway:
Of course the guy had serious mental issues but upon reading most of his 140-page manifesto for last two hours, it is clear that monster in him was a product of an ugly, failed marriage between two very opportunistic and vain people. The British father is money-hungry director in Hollywood while his biological Chinese mother is an opportunistic woman who constantly seeks out new rich men to date and continue her lifestyle. He is, in fact, a product of unplanned pregnancy between these two people whose relationship probably distilled down to pure carnal desire and greed for money. As he is subjected to an ugly divorce and childhood that is bereft of genuine parental care and love, he only knows life as he sees in the glamours yet empty culture of LA -- as measured purely by how much money one has and how much sex one is getting.

So when he sees that he is not measuring up to these standards, compounded with identity issues, he undergoes severe depression and resorts to such horrific actions. This is why I view many white male-asian female marriages with some skepticism as I suspect that many of these unions are essentially driven purely by sexual fetishism from the male and financial opportunism (and perhaps some fetishization too) from the female. And their son, who is seen to by society as being more Asian than White, exists only because the Asian man was deemed insufficient and un-masculine by his own mother, yet he lives as a Asian male. Very similar thoughts are expressed by people with AF/WM parents here:
http://stuffeurasianslike.wordpress.com/
http://halfasianhalfdead.wordpress.com/

Of course, I am sure there also exist genuinely loving couples who are AF/WM, and I give my full blessings to them and their children who might not have such deep-seated issues.
Also to reiterate, the guy obviously has severe mental issues that led to the shooting, but you cannot deny that there are serious underlying cultural/social problems that compounded or perhaps contributed to these psychiatric issues.

Also looking at the similarities between this guy's life and Cho Seung-hee's, I definitely think there needs to be an initiative to really help kids fit in better in school; the teenage years can be a brutal time if you are not part of the "crowd," and the pressures to fit in, especially as a young person undergoing puberty, can be truly traumatizing. Of course, the vast majority of those who suffer through this do not become mass murderers (this issue needs to be compounded by some sort of mental instability) but I do think this would be a very worthwhile issue to be put to the front, as we can also seek to lessen the agony of many many kids.

On May 26 2014 00:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
Ah so it's only being institutionalised that will show up on background checks? Cheers for the clarification

On May 26 2014 02:30 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I'm more amazed that people actually bother to read the shit people like this dude write.

On May 26 2014 03:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I decided to watch these videos he posted, and honestly, everyone is calling him an idiot, an asshole, etc.

Truthfully, I don't see him that insane. His videos were over the top, and it almost felt like he was acting to behave like this, but at the end of the day, if I have to be the first to admit it, I don't think he's some hideous looking guy. He's well spoken, has class, probably pretty smart, looks alright, has money, and has been trying to get some girls to like him his whole life with no avail. I think there are many people in the world like him, feeling like they're one level up in every aspect of life on other guys, yet they can't get anyone, loneliness gets to everyone. I myself go through these cycles where I dislike people because I want to do my own thing, but after a few weeks/months, I go back to people because I get lonely, rinse and repeat.

It must feel awful really doing everything you can, and just really getting no results. I'm sure others have argued with you on the internet, and a majority of the people disagreed with you, but you were so sure you were right, that you just in your head called them idiots and walked away. I think that's what happened here, however there is no escape from this desire, and in the end you live your life in misery.

My Grade 10 year, I think most guys really wanted to get laid, and I would say that was a big goal of mine too, just the way the teenage brain thinks I guess. And if you go through highschool without sex if it's something you're really searching for, I'd imagine you'd feel like an inferior person, when others have the goal of having sex, and they manage it, but you don't. And then when you go to college/university, and you finish half your degree, you really start to worry when you still haven't been involved in any sexual activity. Everyone tells you that in university everyone is really horny, and everyone has sex with everyone, and it wouldn't be an illogical thought to think that if you can't win a girls heart in university, you will dearly struggle for the rest of your life.

At the end of the day, I am not defending what he did, his behaviour was very narcissistic, and well had many similarities to people I personally know who've struggled with such things. Hopefully this is something that is learned from, to try and structure society where these motivates for people to do such actions aren't so exemplified. I haven't done any research on the frequency of these incidents, and therefore I'm unsure whether this was just an isolated incident, or these are common throughout the western world.

On May 25 2014 08:54 Sgany wrote:
Gun regulation is not even the problem around this. The dark side of the friendzone myth. According to his self-taped confession, Elliot Rodger killed 7 people and injured 7 more in a shooting rampage because he was a virgin at 22 and saw girls "throwing themselves at obnoxious brutes" and decided there needed to be "retribution" for "every single blonde slut". This is a direct result of male entitlement and the idea that young men are in any way 'owed' sex. Sexism quite literally turned a young man into a homicidal maniac.
"You have denied me a happy life, and in turn, I will deny all of you life".

Maybe reconsider labelling feminists as whiney people who worry for no reason.

On May 26 2014 03:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I decided to watch these videos he posted, and honestly, everyone is calling him an idiot, an asshole, etc.

Truthfully, I don't see him that insane. His videos were over the top, and it almost felt like he was acting to behave like this, but at the end of the day, if I have to be the first to admit it, I don't think he's some hideous looking guy. He's well spoken, has class, probably pretty smart, looks alright, has money, and has been trying to get some girls to like him his whole life with no avail. I think there are many people in the world like him, feeling like they're one level up in every aspect of life on other guys, yet they can't get anyone, loneliness gets to everyone. I myself go through these cycles where I dislike people because I want to do my own thing, but after a few weeks/months, I go back to people because I get lonely, rinse and repeat.

It must feel awful really doing everything you can, and just really getting no results. I'm sure others have argued with you on the internet, and a majority of the people disagreed with you, but you were so sure you were right, that you just in your head called them idiots and walked away. I think that's what happened here, however there is no escape from this desire, and in the end you live your life in misery. People like to point out exactly how he was acting differently from the ideals, however nobody lives by the ideals. If any person on teamliquid made 20 personal videos, and we had a reason to want to pick apart that individual for how he behaves and for what he believes, I'm sure we'd be able to.

My Grade 10 year, I think most guys really wanted to get laid, and I would say that was a big goal of mine too, just the way the teenage brain thinks I guess. And if you go through highschool without sex if it's something you're really searching for, I'd imagine you'd feel like an inferior person, when others have the goal of having sex, and they manage it, but you don't. And then when you go to college/university, and you finish half your degree, you really start to worry when you still haven't been involved in any sexual activity. Everyone tells you that in university everyone is really horny, and everyone has sex with everyone, and it wouldn't be an illogical thought to think that if you can't win a girls heart in university, you will dearly struggle for the rest of your life.

At the end of the day, I am not defending what he did, his behaviour was very narcissistic, and well had many similarities to people I personally know who've struggled with such things. Hopefully this is something that is learned from, to try and structure society where these motivates for people to do such actions aren't so exemplified. I haven't done any research on the frequency of these incidents, and therefore I'm unsure whether this was just an isolated incident, or these are common throughout the western world.