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This guy was a complete and utter lunatic. Read his manifesto. This was FAR from being a guy pushed at the edge. This guy was mentally ill, he even felt he was entitled to win the super megajackpott lottery.
Madness of this sort is caused by a warping of meanings and a kind of cyclic psychopathology. That is to say, you feel bad, so you make up reasons why you feel bad, you start needing to find more justification for those reasons, so you start manufacturing evidence where there is none and seeing the reasons everywhere, which makes you feel worse, which requires you make up more reasons etc.
Repeat a few dozen times and you get someone who has lost all touch with reality and is in, as mentioned, a quite literally inconceivable amount of psychological pain.
The situations in which this kind of thing happens tend to occur on the fringes of the social spectrum, as here. So yes, he is a lunatic, but social expectations and a system unsuited for him created that lunacy. It was not an inherent thing he was somehow born with.
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My brother lives in that same place. I was so worried about him, but he let us know he was alright, just shaken.
This is just awful. 
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On May 25 2014 10:23 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 10:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Are these news really necessary?
Seems like local news. In Calgary 5 people got stabbed to death a few weeks back, this doesn't seem much different.
These events happen on more than a weekly basis throughout the western world, I don't think anything ever comes out of this discussion.
Either way, shitty to hear, hope as many involved are as okay as possible. Somewhat agree. Of course it's sad that people died, but people pretty much get stabbed and murdered and whatnot all the time. I'm not sure how newsworthy it is. For example if we compare the scale to something like what's going in in Ukraine. Seems like it's just going to be derailed into a guns vs no guns discussion just like every other shooting thread.
Maybe one thread to compile them all then. Having said that, there's no reason to not post it either. Good to stay informed imo.
On May 25 2014 10:15 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 10:10 BigFan wrote:On May 25 2014 10:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:His 100-page manifesto is available online: http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifestoI read through most of it because I thought it would be valuable to understand how someone could go down this path, and also because I went to UCSB and am deeply saddened by this event. It was deeply disturbing. Overall, I think he had an inflated (and unfounded) sense of self-worth, and was confused and angry that people (mainly girls) did not take the initiative to serve his needs without any effort from him. He had an extremely warped understanding of people and how they perceive other people. In an effort to meet girls he would sit by himself in a restaurant for hours, and would go home frustrated that no girl came up to him to ask him on a date. He never figured out that as an individual, the ball is in your court to meet people. He wrote about social coaches and friends that tried to give him advice, but he was so fixated on his anger at seeing happy couples around him that he probably didn't listen or didn't process the advice they gave him. He didn't realize that extreme arrogance and rude behavior combined with ignorance is the worst combination of traits a person can have. No amount of hugo boss, armani, or expensive jeweley (which he was sure was the solution) can make up for this. This is why nobody wanted to be around him. A particularly revealing event he described was a trip to London where he got VIP access to a Katy Perry concert due to family connections. When he was walking the "black carpet" amongst celebrities he spoke of people in the audience as "sheep" and mocked them. It seems he didn't realize how hypocritical his behavior was, as people dismissing him throughout his life was the root of his anger. His frustration and anger snowballed until he finally decided that he needed to be extremely rich for people to desire him, and in hopes of getting rich he blew thousands of dollars on lottery tickets. He thought he was _meant_ to win. This alone sheds light on his underlying mental illness -- possibly some form of schizophrenia. When he failed to win, this was his breaking point, and he starting coming up with a detailed plan for his so-called "day of retribution." Apparently his plan was to murder his little brother and step-mother, and then target the alpha phi sorority house in isla vista, and finally go on a rampage down del playa st. We know the third event happened. I just hope the first two events didn't. how did you manage to find this? The police never mentioned anything about his little brother and step-mother so I think he just went to the sorority first. The stream just said this last part as well. Is on 4chan for about 2hours (the manifesto).
oh I see. I don't frequent 4chan at all.
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On May 25 2014 10:53 Thereisnosaurus wrote:Show nested quote +This guy was a complete and utter lunatic. Read his manifesto. This was FAR from being a guy pushed at the edge. This guy was mentally ill, he even felt he was entitled to win the super megajackpott lottery. Madness of this sort is caused by a warping of meanings and a kind of cyclic psychopathology. That is to say, you feel bad, so you make up reasons why you feel bad, you start needing to find more justification for those reasons, so you start manufacturing evidence where there is none and seeing the reasons everywhere, which makes you feel worse, which requires you make up more reasons etc. Repeat a few dozen times and you get someone who has lost all touch with reality and is in, as mentioned, a quite literally inconceivable amount of psychological pain. The situations in which this kind of thing happens tend to occur on the fringes of the social spectrum, as here. So yes, he is a lunatic, but social expectations and a system unsuited for him created that lunacy. It was not an inherent thing he was somehow born with.
That's not really an argument you can make unless you have had extensive therapy sessions with him or have had conversations with someone who has done so. Biological, inherited mental illness is a real thing, we've passed the era of freudian psychoanalysis. It is very possible that he was 'born' a lunatic. Not all mental illness is solely a result of social/environmental stimuli. Is there some aspect of society that may have contributed to his problems? Yes, absolutely, but I think to say that social constructs are somehow responsible for his crimes is disingenuous.
I will give you the point though that it is only the social constructs that we (as bystanders) can actually do anything about. I do agree that demonizing him as a lunatic and trying to distill him down to something subhuman is problematic (and in many ways hypocritical), but at the same time, you can't just absolve him of his crimes, just because you think that society is being unfair to him.
also, @ the people wondering why this is newsworthy, people seem to have greater interest in school shootings than your average 'run of the mill' murders (if you can say such a thing).
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Can someone upload it somewhere (PDF) before it gets taken down? This guy describe his entire childhood. It's a glimpse into the mind of a delusional killer. I tried copy and paste the text, but the text becomes encrypted.
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On May 25 2014 09:19 GozoShioda wrote:
Okay now I'm a bit paranoid.
I know a guy exactly like this one (except he's not as rich as the one here), who I used to go to school with and he added me on Facebook one day.
My news feed every once in a while pops up with posts from him whose contents are EXTREMELY similar to the content of the youtube videos of the perpetrator in this case. I don't mean to be judgmental but I think it's pretty evident that this guy I know is a virgin since he never really socialized with people during school events and from my knowledge he never had a girlfriend. He always makes very passive aggressive posts on people's pictures on facebooks about how they are being "lewd" and "immoral"
What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? What the fuck is anyone supposed to do in this situation? Is the right choice to ignore it? What if this person ends up committing a similar crime and I end up living the rest of my life knowing I could have done something to prevent it? What if he does nothing and I'm just wasting my time worrying about it?
It seems like both your acquaintance and this killer probably frequented a specific board of 4chan called /r9k/ which has a lot of rhetoric around "chads" and "beta-revolution". Problem is that some people take it too seriously.
The main problem of this guy seemed to be his complete inability to socialize correctly.
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Would be nice if the US wasn't infested with guns and it wasn't so easy to grab 3 semi-automatic handguns and 41 full ten round magazines on any homicidal or suicidal whim. There are 85 gun deaths per day in the US, yet it only makes the news when it's some kind of single massacre.
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On May 25 2014 13:30 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Would be nice if the US wasn't infested with guns and it wasn't so easy to grab 3 semi-automatic handguns and 41 full ten round magazines on any homicidal or suicidal whim. There are 85 gun deaths per day in the US, yet it only makes the news when it's some kind of single massacre.
85 gun deaths per day in the US. Only 6 of those are not accidental, suicide or gang related. They should still report about those few, but I guess suicide, accidents and gang violence is not something they want to report on everyday.
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to be honest i'm already densensitised by this stuff, it seems to occur few times a year followed by temporary outrage at gun laws and nothing will change. i believe it is too late to do anything, guns have proliferated to the point that you have no chance to eliminate how easily attainable it is.
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On May 25 2014 13:30 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Would be nice if the US wasn't infested with guns and it wasn't so easy to grab 3 semi-automatic handguns and 41 full ten round magazines on any homicidal or suicidal whim. There are 85 gun deaths per day in the US, yet it only makes the news when it's some kind of single massacre.
Gotta love inflated statistics. 53 of thoses "guns deaths" are suicide. So its about 30 a day. And then once you remove all the deaths because of gang on gang violence, you really dont have that many.
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I'm mostly living in LA, a couple hours away from UC Santa Barbara. This is an absolutely monstrous crime, from an insanely disturbed bastard. From what it looks like, there was zero motivation of any kind for this. Killing for the sake of it. Just an extremely disturbed mind and serious psychological issues. Seriously, wtf. There were apparently warning signs too? How come no one who was observing the sorts of things he was saying/doing realized that something could be very wrong with this guy? Just because he's a rich white kid? Unbelievable and very tragic event.
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On May 25 2014 14:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I'm mostly living in LA, a couple hours away from UC Santa Barbara. This is an absolutely monstrous crime, from an insanely disturbed bastard. From what it looks like, there was zero motivation of any kind for this. Killing for the sake of it. Just an extremely disturbed mind and serious psychological issues. Seriously, wtf. There were apparently warning signs too? How come no one who was observing the sorts of things he was saying/doing realized that something could be very wrong with this guy? Just because he's a rich white kid? Unbelievable and very tragic event.
He is as white as obama.
He is a self described Eurasian.
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A guy goes on a killing spree because he couldn't get laid. Funny and sad.
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Here is the video that he posted before he did what he did.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh254dAH1zbFAeadGv
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On May 25 2014 13:09 [X]Ken_D wrote:Can someone upload it somewhere (PDF) before it gets taken down? This guy describe his entire childhood. It's a glimpse into the mind of a delusional killer. I tried copy and paste the text, but the text becomes encrypted.
yea I wanted to DL it too. Fucking scribd ..... Hopefully it's a matter of time until someone hacks/get's past it.
Please do PM me if you happen to be able to save it and read my message and are very kind :D
On May 25 2014 15:28 Emerson_H wrote:
A guy goes on a killing spree because he couldn't get laid. Funny and sad.
Unsurprisingly enough it's hard to get laid when you're delusional hahahaha
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Cute little coincidence:
The guy in the video is the son of the assistant director of The Hunger Games.
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but at the same time, you can't just absolve him of his crimes, just because you think that society is being unfair to him.
Oh that's absolutely not what I'm trying to do. Personal responsibility is still a thing. In my book, you don't get excused from your actions for any reason, be it mental illness, inebriation, provocation, self defense, whatever. If you take an action, you are responsible for it. What worries me is the vilification and thoughtless (rather than thoughtful) anger that take place in the wake of these events may actually bring on the next one. My view is, while superficially humanist, fundamentally pragmatic.
I think a more empathetic approach would mean more people like this would seek help or confide in their friends rather than being terrified of judgement and isolation, and that help and those friends would be more capable of dealing with someone like this in a constructive way. In some small way we netizens can be responsible and more restrained in our lashing out and contribute to that effort.
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If at 22, he can get a nice brand new BMW, he can have sex. Just pay for it! Prostitution in this case could had prevented murder. He might not have to relieve his sexual frustration via a gun.
The entitlement of sex due to his fortunate upbringing is disturbing.
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