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On May 26 2014 10:36 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:54 Anggroth wrote:On May 26 2014 09:48 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:46 levelping wrote:On May 26 2014 09:33 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:25 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:19 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:05 SlixSC wrote:
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But you are missing the point, my point is that women have more and comparatively cheaper tools at their disposal to make themselves look more attractive than men do. (and to compare makeup with cars is a little bit silly, a more accurate comparisson would be makeup and facial plastic surgery - those are the two options people have of "changing" their faces, one is exclusive to women and definitely cheaper than the other).
I don't see how you can even dispute this. Makeup is almost exlcusive to women, everything else is equally availaible to both sexes.
This is exactly why so many men cannot find a (sex) partner, because almost every woman is wearing makeup, a tool men simply do not have.
And makeup has very serious implications on how we are perceived by others, it makes our faces look more symmetrical, more healthy, etc... men on the other hand are always stuck with their natural faces (outside of expensive plastic sugery).
And what exactly is makeup if not a simple yet effective tool to trick men into thinking your face is more beautiful than it naturally is (a trick that is not even really available to men outside of expensive plastic surgery, like I already said).
It's not a fair game, I don't understand why you can't see this. What the fuck is this all about? The relative physical attractiveness between the sexes and their available tools to become physically attractive has nothing to do with how easy it is for one or the other to get laid. It's easier for women to get laid simply because, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud." Women are far more discerning. It's simply a matter of differences in biology. I very much disagree with the argument that "men will fuck mud". If anything it's just a symptome of the problem and not the cause. I mean if that really were true why would any woman even bother wearing makeup in the first place if they could easily get laid without it because "men will fuck mud" anyway?Doesn't make a whole lot of sense now, does it? They do it to for two reasons. First, they want to maximize their chances of getting the best man available. Second, and perhaps more importantly, women do all sorts of stuff to compete with each other. None of that changes the fact that men generally aren't that discerning. Sure, there are exceptions, but the truth is that pretty much any woman can get laid at will (assuming she doesn't mind who her partner is) if she wants to. You can't say the same about men. Well duh. And alot of it has to do with makeup being an easy tool for women to make themselves look more attractive than they naturally are, something that is alot more expensive (facial plastic surgery, buying an expensive car) for men. That is the exact reason why so many women can compete to get the best man available, because makeup allows them to get an easy "one-up" on all the equivalent men of similar natural attractiveness. That is why it's so skewed, you don't realize that you are discussing a symptome, I'm discussing the cause. This kind of "lol make up easy win" sentiment shows you don't really have any idea what women go through to live up to unrealistic standards of beauty. It isn't just make up man. Girls have to put up with a society telling them to be tall but not too tall, have nice breasts, be thin, be smart but not too smart, be fair skinned... If you really think all that get solves by some lipstick and us poor poor men have to make do with our wits... Also make up is expensive (the stuff really adds up) and takes time to so well. And you don't think the same societal pressures aren't equally put on men? Then why is it that 20% of men have 80% of the sex? Doesn't make any sense at all. You do realise that 20/80 thing is do with sexual partners not quantity of sex: For example High School sweethearts only ever sleep with each other, get married and live together till they die, but have sex everyday, that man fits into the 20% according to the way the stats are arranged. I don't understand, so what you're saying is 20% of the male population has sex with 80% of the female population? How is that any different to what I'm suggesting? On May 26 2014 09:55 levelping wrote:On May 26 2014 09:48 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:46 levelping wrote:On May 26 2014 09:33 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:25 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:19 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:05 SlixSC wrote:
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But you are missing the point, my point is that women have more and comparatively cheaper tools at their disposal to make themselves look more attractive than men do. (and to compare makeup with cars is a little bit silly, a more accurate comparisson would be makeup and facial plastic surgery - those are the two options people have of "changing" their faces, one is exclusive to women and definitely cheaper than the other).
I don't see how you can even dispute this. Makeup is almost exlcusive to women, everything else is equally availaible to both sexes.
This is exactly why so many men cannot find a (sex) partner, because almost every woman is wearing makeup, a tool men simply do not have.
And makeup has very serious implications on how we are perceived by others, it makes our faces look more symmetrical, more healthy, etc... men on the other hand are always stuck with their natural faces (outside of expensive plastic sugery).
And what exactly is makeup if not a simple yet effective tool to trick men into thinking your face is more beautiful than it naturally is (a trick that is not even really available to men outside of expensive plastic surgery, like I already said).
It's not a fair game, I don't understand why you can't see this. What the fuck is this all about? The relative physical attractiveness between the sexes and their available tools to become physically attractive has nothing to do with how easy it is for one or the other to get laid. It's easier for women to get laid simply because, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud." Women are far more discerning. It's simply a matter of differences in biology. I very much disagree with the argument that "men will fuck mud". If anything it's just a symptome of the problem and not the cause. I mean if that really were true why would any woman even bother wearing makeup in the first place if they could easily get laid without it because "men will fuck mud" anyway?Doesn't make a whole lot of sense now, does it? They do it to for two reasons. First, they want to maximize their chances of getting the best man available. Second, and perhaps more importantly, women do all sorts of stuff to compete with each other. None of that changes the fact that men generally aren't that discerning. Sure, there are exceptions, but the truth is that pretty much any woman can get laid at will (assuming she doesn't mind who her partner is) if she wants to. You can't say the same about men. Well duh. And alot of it has to do with makeup being an easy tool for women to make themselves look more attractive than they naturally are, something that is alot more expensive (facial plastic surgery, buying an expensive car) for men. That is the exact reason why so many women can compete to get the best man available, because makeup allows them to get an easy "one-up" on all the equivalent men of similar natural attractiveness. That is why it's so skewed, you don't realize that you are discussing a symptome, I'm discussing the cause. This kind of "lol make up easy win" sentiment shows you don't really have any idea what women go through to live up to unrealistic standards of beauty. It isn't just make up man. Girls have to put up with a society telling them to be tall but not too tall, have nice breasts, be thin, be smart but not too smart, be fair skinned... If you really think all that get solves by some lipstick and us poor poor men have to make do with our wits... Also make up is expensive (the stuff really adds up) and takes time to so well. And you don't think the same societal pressures aren't equally put on men? Then why is it that 20% of men have 80% of the sex? Doesn't make any sense at all. What has men facing pressures got to do with make up? Let's not shift the goal posts. Your claim is that make up is an easy tool for women to be attractive but I just told you that make up is not easy, cheap, and in any event is just a small part of society's expectations of female beauty. I am not sure why you want to talk about men's social pressures. But since you want to. What about them? They are different from those of women's so it's obviously a fools errand to try and compare makeup and gym. Are you dense? So you want me to substantiate my argument of women having it easier (comparatively) than men in the "dating-game" without being able to actually compare women and men? I will admit that is actually an impossible task. I cannot make a relative argument without taking into account the relative differences between the two groups im comparing. On May 26 2014 10:00 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:33 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:25 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:19 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 09:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 26 2014 09:05 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 08:51 KwarK wrote:On May 26 2014 08:47 SlixSC wrote:
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So you are really resorting to anecdotal evidence now? I'm sorry to say this and even at a risk of sounding rude, why would I care about what your wife does and how much money she spends on things? Are you asserting that your family's spending habits are in any way indicative of the spending habits of the general population? I mean I just don't see where you are going with this.
I'm reasonably sure that my resort to a sample of two is infinitely more evidence than your claims which were not only nonsensical but completley unsubstantiated. Given this I am unsure exactly why you're deciding we should be attacking each other's argument based on evidence, nor why your own stance is somehow enduring this new qualifier. Is it possible you didn't think this through? Perhaps you have your own evidence which you just thought wasn't worth mentioning in your "makeup makes gender relations biased against men" whining. But you are missing the point, my point is that women have more and comparatively cheaper tools at their disposal to make themselves look more attractive than men do. (and to compare makeup with cars is a little bit silly, a more accurate comparisson would be makeup and facial plastic surgery - those are the two options people have of "changing" their faces, one is exclusive to women and definitely cheaper than the other). I don't see how you can even dispute this. Makeup is almost exlcusive to women, everything else is equally availaible to both sexes. This is exactly why so many men cannot find a (sex) partner, because almost every woman is wearing makeup, a tool men simply do not have. And makeup has very serious implications on how we are perceived by others, it makes our faces look more symmetrical, more healthy, etc... men on the other hand are always stuck with their natural faces (outside of expensive plastic sugery). And what exactly is makeup if not a simple yet effective tool to trick men into thinking your face is more beautiful than it naturally is (a trick that is not even really available to men outside of expensive plastic surgery, like I already said). It's not a fair game, I don't understand why you can't see this. What the fuck is this all about? The relative physical attractiveness between the sexes and their available tools to become physically attractive has nothing to do with how easy it is for one or the other to get laid. It's easier for women to get laid simply because, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud." Women are far more discerning. It's simply a matter of differences in biology. I very much disagree with the argument that "men will fuck mud". If anything it's just a symptome of the problem and not the cause. I mean if that really were true why would any woman even bother wearing makeup in the first place if they could easily get laid without it because "men will fuck mud" anyway?Doesn't make a whole lot of sense now, does it? They do it to for two reasons. First, they want to maximize their chances of getting the best man available. Second, and perhaps more importantly, women do all sorts of stuff to compete with each other. None of that changes the fact that men generally aren't that discerning. Sure, there are exceptions, but the truth is that pretty much any woman can get laid at will (assuming she doesn't mind who her partner is) if she wants to. You can't say the same about men. Well duh. And alot of it has to do with makeup being an easy tool for women to make themselves look more attractive than they naturally are, something that is alot more expensive (facial plastic surgery, buying an expensive car) for men. That is the exact reason why so many women can compete to get the best man available, because makeup allows them to get an easy "one-up" on all the equivalent men of similar natural attractiveness. That is why it's so skewed, you don't realize that you are discussing a symptome, I'm discussing the cause. You don't even understand the cause because you're failing to acknowledge some basic differences (inherent and societal) between the sexes. And it's not just in this post. It's in pretty much in all of them. When have I ever denied societal or inherent biological differences between men and women? I just don't think it's quite as simple as "men evolved to fuck mud". I'm sorry I just don't buy that. I'm not asking you to substantiate anything. I'm just pointing out that your comparison of male and female dating by looking at make up is hopelessly flawed. It is also rich that you call me dense but in the very next paragraph admit that what you are trying to achieve is impossible. I think a big problem with your anlaysis is this: you are not comparing like to like. You're just making broad generalisations about the genders. What you should be doing is comparing attractice people with attractive people, and non-attractive people with non-attractivepeoplep. So, if you are an attractive girl you should have no problems with sex. If you are an attrative guy, you should have no problems with sex. If you're not attractive (guy or girl), you compensate with make up, or an expensive watch. Guys have the further option of being witty or smart (girls can kind of do that, but within weird limits set by society. Too smart and you'll scare him off). If you're ugly, well you're probably out of luck either way - though personally I'd say that a fat rich man could be attractive to some still, but a fat rich women is probably going to be lonely. Of course, if you're not attractive and you're only looking at attractive girls, it would seem like woah they get all the sex they want! But that's just a myopic view because you aren't looking at all girls, just the very attractive ones. Just think - do you honestly say that it's super easy for a fat chick to have sex? Consider the above, and rethink your idea that there's this huge discrepency in the dating scene where men are unfairly prejudiced.
At this point, I don't know. Because I'm getting very mixed and mutually exclusive responses to my argument. You are saying "women don't have an easier time getting sex than men" whereas xDaunt is saying "men will fuck mud/anything".
And I'm sorry to say this but one of these two statements can be true, none of these two statements can be true but they can't both be true simultaneously. Logic 101.
It is either true that men will fuck mud/anything so even unattractive women have an easier time getting laid(compared to males of similar attractiveness), or men do not fuck anything and woman don't have an easier time getting laid.
And there is of course the third more sensitive option (which is what I'm suggesting) which is that women have an easier time artificially increasing their attractiveness to men, which inherently results in the dating-game being easier for women than men, which would also explain the 80/20 rule. And of course, the great thing about my explanation is that I don't need to speculate about human evolution or perception to the same degree you have to.
I'm literally in the middle on this one, if you actually want to discuss this topic why don't you take it up with the person suggesting a mutually exclusive argument to yours? Because I'm honestly tired of having to fight a battle on two fronts with people who are both trying to undermine my argument whilst ignoring the fact that their arguments are actually mutually exclusive.
This seems to be a clash of ideologies and I seem to have hit a nerve here because I don't subscribe to any particular ideology on the topic of sexism, I have my own opinion and that's all. Sometimes I agree with feminists, sometimes I disagree with them.
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How did this topic devolve into discussing men and women having sex and their attractiveness levels? lol. I think we should all agree that comparing men and women isn't easy to do and if one does decide to do it, they should take a lot of factors into account instead of just claiming a couple of things in favour of one or the other.
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What happened was a terrible accident, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims.
I haven't had time to read through all 11 pages to see if anyone has brought up the "yesallwomen" movement on twitter this accident sparked, but this a particularly good page to visit:
http://policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny
"Although we should be shocked by Elliot Rodger's actions, we should not be surprised. In fact, most school shootings share chillingly similar characteristics. It's time we stop treating these incidents as anomalies and start recognizing the deep societal issues at play."
It's really sad how I, and probably every other woman, can relate to almost every single one of those tweets.
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Some of these tweets I understand, but there are at least a few that actually made me cringe.
As in too insane to take seriously.
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On May 26 2014 11:34 Ideal26 wrote:What happened was a terrible accident, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. I haven't had time to read through all 11 pages to see if anyone has brought up the "yesallwomen" movement on twitter this accident sparked, but this a particularly good page to visit: http://policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny"Although we should be shocked by Elliot Rodger's actions, we should not be surprised. In fact, most school shootings share chillingly similar characteristics. It's time we stop treating these incidents as anomalies and start recognizing the deep societal issues at play." It's really sad how I, and probably every other woman, can relate to almost every single one of those tweets.
lots of foul men out there.. luckily my mother raised me well.. all things considered..
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On May 26 2014 11:52 Zinnwaldite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 11:34 Ideal26 wrote:What happened was a terrible accident, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. I haven't had time to read through all 11 pages to see if anyone has brought up the "yesallwomen" movement on twitter this accident sparked, but this a particularly good page to visit: http://policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny"Although we should be shocked by Elliot Rodger's actions, we should not be surprised. In fact, most school shootings share chillingly similar characteristics. It's time we stop treating these incidents as anomalies and start recognizing the deep societal issues at play." It's really sad how I, and probably every other woman, can relate to almost every single one of those tweets. lots of foul men out there.. luckily my mother raised me well.. all things considered..
Obviously, but I don't see why the blame seems to always be put on men collectively, yeah there are alot of assholes out there, no doubt. But I would argue that the overwhelming majority of men isn't like that. It's a minority of assholes treating women like shit, but I personally don't have a single male friend who is anything like that, not a single one.
And it really pains me to see myself be put into the same category as these assholes purely based on the fact that I have a penis, as if that tells you anything about the person I am or how I treat other people (not just women).
That's why I often times find myself disagreeing with feminists, it's not that I can't acknowledge the things that happen to them or don't feel bad for them, it's the fact that often times they project their experiences on all men rather than emphasizing the fact that these assholes are individuals and have nothing in common with men who treat women respectfully.
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On May 26 2014 12:00 SlixSC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2014 11:52 Zinnwaldite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 11:34 Ideal26 wrote:What happened was a terrible accident, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. I haven't had time to read through all 11 pages to see if anyone has brought up the "yesallwomen" movement on twitter this accident sparked, but this a particularly good page to visit: http://policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny"Although we should be shocked by Elliot Rodger's actions, we should not be surprised. In fact, most school shootings share chillingly similar characteristics. It's time we stop treating these incidents as anomalies and start recognizing the deep societal issues at play." It's really sad how I, and probably every other woman, can relate to almost every single one of those tweets. lots of foul men out there.. luckily my mother raised me well.. all things considered.. Obviously, but I don't see why the blame seems to always be put on men collectively, yeah there are alot of assholes out there, no doubt. But I would argue that the overwhelming majority of men isn't like that. It's a minority of assholes treating women like shit, but I personally don't have a single male friend who is anything like that, not a single one. And it really pains me to see myself be put into the same category as these assholes purely based on the fact that I have a penis, as if that tells you anything about the person I am or how I treat other people (not just women). That's why I often times find myself disagreeing with feminists, it's not that I can't acknowledge the things that happen to them or don't feel bad for them, it's the fact that often times they project their experiences on all men rather than emphasizing the fact that these assholes are individuals and have nothing in common with men who treat women respectfully.
Oh I definitely don't think men, as a whole, should be blamed for those incidents. I've met dozens of wonderful guys for every awful encounter I've had.
But there's a reason that women are taught those precautions mentioned in the tweets, and many more. There are a lot of terrible men out there that will take advantage of any vulnerable woman they see.
I just think that the emphasis should not be such that we're raising women to follow set of rules on how to avoid getting raped/harassed/etc as much as it should be to emphasize to everyone that people, all people, should be treated with equal respect.
*edited to add quote for context/relevance
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Detractors of "School Days" tell me people aren't such crazy folk as described in the show. I just have to point to this stuff in the news to prove myself. Sex, or the lack thereof, can do some straaaange stuff to the minds of unstable individuals.
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On May 26 2014 12:19 Ideal26 wrote:
Oh I definitely don't think men, as a whole, should be blamed for those incidents. I've met dozens of wonderful guys for every awful encounter I've had.
But there's a reason that women are taught those precautions mentioned in the tweets, and many more. There are a lot of terrible men out there that will take advantage of any vulnerable woman they see. There's enough of them that you have to be careful going anywhere or doing anything... I worked at a grocery store when I was 15 and my boss had to shuffle the schedule so that I never had to go out in the parking lot to retrieve shopping carts after dark because of harassment, as an extremely mild example. Stuff like that shouldn't happen.
I just think that the emphasis should not be such that we're raising women to follow set of rules on how to avoid getting raped/harassed/etc as much as it should be to emphasize to everyone that people, all people, should be treated with equal respect.
I don't see how this has anything to do with a guy that killed 5 guys and 2 women with a machine gun?
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On May 26 2014 12:19 Ideal26 wrote:
Oh I definitely don't think men, as a whole, should be blamed for those incidents. I've met dozens of wonderful guys for every awful encounter I've had.
But there's a reason that women are taught those precautions mentioned in the tweets, and many more. There are a lot of terrible men out there that will take advantage of any vulnerable woman they see. There's enough of them that you have to be careful going anywhere or doing anything... I worked at a grocery store when I was 15 and my boss had to shuffle the schedule so that I never had to go out in the parking lot to retrieve shopping carts after dark because of harassment, as an extremely mild example. Stuff like that shouldn't happen.
I just think that the emphasis should not be such that we're raising women to follow set of rules on how to avoid getting raped/harassed/etc as much as it should be to emphasize to everyone that people, all people, should be treated with equal respect.
Absolutely, but aren't we doing that already? I don't have any friends or know any people who don't think all people should be treated with equal respect. The real problem is that these bad people just really, really don't care. They don't give a damn about societal norms, equal treatment of others, etc.. all they care about is their personal benefit and I don't see a way to ever change that.
Assholes will unfortunately always exist, there wasn't a single society throughout human history that wasn't plagued by these people, they always existed and from what I can tell they always will.
Of course we can do our best as a society to condemn those people, but my suggestion to you is that those people are so focused on their personal gain that to them society isn't a collective of individual people with emotions, thoughts and feelings, to them society is more likely just the sum total of people they views themselves as superior to (in other words... everyone).
"Funny" (I guess sad is actually more accurate) story, just today I had a really shocking experience when reading some of the youtube comments on this video:
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That has got to be the broadest most fucked up mouth I've ever seen..
Get some dental work done.
Please.
who the fuck is gotye. who the fuck is kimbra. these people had 0.2 seconds of fame and now they're probably flipping burgers at wendys
And so on.. all with dozens of upvotes. There are alot of assholes out there and they aren't just focusing on women, they are assholes towards men aswell, because they don't view other people as emotional human beings, they view other people as objects you can do anything with.
I honestly don't know what motivates people to write hateful comments, I never got it, what is even the point, does it really make other people feel better to know that there is chance they made someone else feel bad?
I really don't understand that part about some people's nature.
But more to the point, this is really what makes me cringe when some feminists (like in the article above) mention miley cyrus in an attempt to convince others how hard women have it in our world. There are actually many things that feminists say that I can agree with, but miley cyrus having some haters/getting censored, whatever is such trivial bullshit.
I'm sorry but Miley Cyrus is both rich and famous, so we are not even focusing on first world problems here, we are focusing on "super famous rich" people problems.... insanity. But the reality is of course that famous people are always under public scrutinity, have haters and aren't all treated equally.
Some celebreties we treat with respect, some others we hate and want to see dead and often times it almost seems arbitrary, but it's definitely not sexist, because for any male famous person with a bunch of haters, there is a female famous person with a bunch of haters. Don't really see how that is divided in any way by sex whatsoever.
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On May 26 2014 12:19 Ideal26 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 12:00 SlixSC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2014 11:52 Zinnwaldite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 11:34 Ideal26 wrote:What happened was a terrible accident, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. I haven't had time to read through all 11 pages to see if anyone has brought up the "yesallwomen" movement on twitter this accident sparked, but this a particularly good page to visit: http://policymic.com/articles/89925/27-inspiring-feminist-tweets-fighting-back-against-elliot-rodger-s-blatant-misogyny"Although we should be shocked by Elliot Rodger's actions, we should not be surprised. In fact, most school shootings share chillingly similar characteristics. It's time we stop treating these incidents as anomalies and start recognizing the deep societal issues at play." It's really sad how I, and probably every other woman, can relate to almost every single one of those tweets. lots of foul men out there.. luckily my mother raised me well.. all things considered.. Obviously, but I don't see why the blame seems to always be put on men collectively, yeah there are alot of assholes out there, no doubt. But I would argue that the overwhelming majority of men isn't like that. It's a minority of assholes treating women like shit, but I personally don't have a single male friend who is anything like that, not a single one. And it really pains me to see myself be put into the same category as these assholes purely based on the fact that I have a penis, as if that tells you anything about the person I am or how I treat other people (not just women). That's why I often times find myself disagreeing with feminists, it's not that I can't acknowledge the things that happen to them or don't feel bad for them, it's the fact that often times they project their experiences on all men rather than emphasizing the fact that these assholes are individuals and have nothing in common with men who treat women respectfully. Oh I definitely don't think men, as a whole, should be blamed for those incidents. I've met dozens of wonderful guys for every awful encounter I've had. But there's a reason that women are taught those precautions mentioned in the tweets, and many more. There are a lot of terrible men out there that will take advantage of any vulnerable woman they see. I just think that the emphasis should not be such that we're raising women to follow set of rules on how to avoid getting raped/harassed/etc as much as it should be to emphasize to everyone that people, all people, should be treated with equal respect. *edited to add quote for context/relevance
Well there are also really bad women out there does despicable things to the like of man in manipulation of feelings. They are:
- Three Of 10 Men Are Not Fathers Of Their 'kids (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253421/1-3-US-children-live-father-according-census-number-parent-households-decreases-1-2-million.html). This should be punishable for fraud upon discovery.
- Women destroys marriages and families more often than men (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201311/do-men-or-women-file-divorce-more-often).
- Women tends to get way more money than they deserve in court systems. See the case of Hulk Hogan (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/hulk-hogan-linda-hogan-divorce-settlement/) and Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2537339/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Maria-Shriver-stall-divorce-proceedings.html). A fair alimony should be the salary increased by the average salary increase from the people that were in that job sector up to how many years you were married.
So there needs some rework in the system to alleviates all those problems.
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These stupid man vs woman "discussions" taking over every thread make reading tl painful. Got old months ago, go away.
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Now our resident MRA is here trying to prove that we have inequality by talking about female privilege. On the bright side, we can be relieved that this did not turn out to be a gun control debate.
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- highly overprotected childhood
- emotionally sensitive nature
- intense feelings of shame and inadequacy
- lack of resolution due to continued isolation and lack of positive action
- build-up of defiance and anger
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1) gradual resolution over time as life slowly progresses
2) degeneration continues
extremely common IMO. went thru it myself. could have gone either way. was on the verge of death around 5 years ago, leagues better now (still might die lol)
edit: everyone knows women can be bitches, get over it
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On May 26 2014 13:30 FFGenerations wrote:
- highly overprotected childhood
- emotionally sensitive nature
- intense feelings of shame and inadequacy
- lack of resolution due to continued isolation and lack of positive action
- build-up of defiance and anger
->
1) gradual resolution over time as life slowly progresses
2) degeneration continues
extremely common IMO. went thru it myself. could have gone either way. was on the verge of death around 5 years ago, leagues better now (still might die lol)
edit: everyone knows women can be bitches, get over it
Getting over it = no consequences for the bitchy behaviors = more bitchy behaviors = more bitches = a worse civilization.
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On May 26 2014 13:48 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 13:30 FFGenerations wrote:
- highly overprotected childhood
- emotionally sensitive nature
- intense feelings of shame and inadequacy
- lack of resolution due to continued isolation and lack of positive action
- build-up of defiance and anger
->
1) gradual resolution over time as life slowly progresses
2) degeneration continues
extremely common IMO. went thru it myself. could have gone either way. was on the verge of death around 5 years ago, leagues better now (still might die lol)
edit: everyone knows women can be bitches, get over it Getting over it = no consequences for the bitchy behaviors = more bitchy behaviors = more bitches = a worse civilization.
get over it means dont let it bring you down
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I really dislike the immediate acceptance of "they are crazy" and moving on. Yes, they are 'crazy' - but there is undoubtedly an underlying psychological and sociological cause. There's a reason not all virgins kill people (intentionally ignorant statement)
There's been a lot of really great points in this thread that actually relate to the killer and the circumstances leading to this tragedy:
His dysfunctional family unit, his isolationist social life, having moved a few times, public ridicule at a young age- these are often true of many young rampage killers (Harris and Klebold, for example)
The discussion in this thread is, while hilariously "Derailed", rather intellectual and well written. I'd love to see people actually address this kids life. If you look into it or read his manifesto, this guy had a fucked up childhood, a fucked up family, and a fucked up school experience.
Part of the problem is in the assumption that people need to date "within their level" Levels are purely subjective, and imo it's the blind acceptance of "leagues and levels" that lead to this mentality of sexual entitelement- not the fact that women control the dating pool.
Someone should've told this kid fat chicks need love too.
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On May 26 2014 13:53 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 13:48 Xiphos wrote:On May 26 2014 13:30 FFGenerations wrote:
- highly overprotected childhood
- emotionally sensitive nature
- intense feelings of shame and inadequacy
- lack of resolution due to continued isolation and lack of positive action
- build-up of defiance and anger
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1) gradual resolution over time as life slowly progresses
2) degeneration continues
extremely common IMO. went thru it myself. could have gone either way. was on the verge of death around 5 years ago, leagues better now (still might die lol)
edit: everyone knows women can be bitches, get over it Getting over it = no consequences for the bitchy behaviors = more bitchy behaviors = more bitches = a worse civilization. get over it means dont let it bring you down
Oh in that case, then yeah I agree with ya on this one.
I thought you meant that you don't actively to try correct detriments of a society but simply by allowing them to happen,
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If you really think a woman rejecting a man (for whatever reason) is a bitch your level of hypocrisy is actually through the roof.
A woman having sex with lots of different men = bitch
A woman rejecting men on a regular basis = bitch
You guys realize that you are not doing yourselves any favours by spouting nonsense like that and it's people like you that are part of the reason feminism still has a place in our society.
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On May 26 2014 14:01 SlixSC wrote:
If you really think a woman rejecting a man (for whatever reason) is a bitch your level of hypocrisy is actually through the roof.
A woman having sex with lots of different men = bitch
A woman rejecting men on a regular basis = bitch
You guys realize that you are not doing yourselves any favours by spouting nonsense like that and it's people like you that are part of the reason feminism still has a place in our society.
Correction:
Exhibit A:
A woman having sex with lots of different men while lying to them that they are her one = a bitch
A woman rejecting men in a bad manner on a regular basis even though the guy have invested a lot into her = a bitch
Exhibit B:
A woman having sex with lots of different men after breaking up with the previous guy in a polite manner and never cheating = a lady.
A woman rejecting men politely on a regular basis = a lady.
The society should reward exhibit B's specimen and punish the A.
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