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Girls want muscles and brawn.
Women want stability.
I hate to generalize like that, but every woman I've ever spoken to and every piece of anecdotal evidence my life has provided has corroborated that belief.
Most guys need to recognize that the strongest force for sexual desire is that of the woman's biological clock. Work towards a stable future, the women will find you.
edit; for the record and without any shred of modesty, I've never worked out a day in my life and am dating a girl way out of my league.
At a certain point, knowing their children will eat every day and that they'll have a roof over their head beats out the initial "yum" factor of muscles. Work hard in life, get an education, women will follow. The biggest misconception is that you have to get laid in your early 20's for some self worth- and low and behold, we're back at the root of the discussion.
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Yes it is easier for women to take shelter under a financially sound men by propping up her looks by using cosmetics and exercise. That's why men have statistically more percentage in the homeless record.
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this guy's writing is so good, im gripped up to age 19 and just need to sleep!! hard to believe it ends in mass murder. its like reading some forum blog. or rather, an adrian mole book, what with all the comedy angst. its brilliant . #schooldays
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On May 26 2014 14:21 Xiphos wrote:
Yes it is easier for women to take shelter under a financially sound men by propping up her looks by using cosmetics and exercise. That's why men have statistically more percentage in the homeless record.
its not the fault of women that men are physically attracted to them. makeup aside, women are going to be hopelessly adored by men nomatter what. who is to blame for that? surely not the woman
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On May 26 2014 13:54 Durp wrote:
If you look into it or read his manifesto, this guy had a fucked up childhood, a fucked up family, and a fucked up school experience.
You have to take into account that stuff was written by a psychopath that snapped though, probably not exactly an objective write-up.
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Fucking so pathetic reading excerpts from this autobio/manifesto. The sexual-resentment of it all is cartoonish. The MRA/PUA communities are really disgusting from what I'm reading. But they can't be blamed for this kid. This kid was off-the-walls bonkers. Narcissism like this can only come from a genuine lunatic.
I think the sexism and sex-in-culture debate is interesting at parts, but more irrelevant than I first thought. This kid was too crazy for any of that to matter. I think the only two issues with what happened are:
1) This kid saw a psychiatrist? What the hell was that guy doing? How could he/she not see this kid was a danger?
2) He bought three guns, legally? This partly ties into my first point, which is that someone needed to red-flag the kid. Not just send some beat cops to his house once -- something more than that. It's not a crime to be "weird", socially isolated, or a virgin. It's not those things that bother me, or should bother others. But this kid was angry, spilling drinks on random girls. And so crazy narcissistic. The shameless and unabashed narcissism has to be a sign that this person is capable of rationalizing violence.
I hope we have another attempt at some tepid gun-control legislation, however meaningless it may be. We need to keep making gun-control an issue in this country. Guns, unlike women, actually are objects. They can and should be controlled. They're idolized and rampantly available, and that's just an awful combination for modern weaponry.
The misogyny surrounding this kid and the internet communities he visited is disgusting. Women aren't objects, it's cliche, but apparently still needs to be said to some people. However, I think this kid could've had an underwear model for a girlfriend, and he would've "gone postal" over something else. The problem with this kid was narcissism, 100% sociopath.
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On May 26 2014 14:27 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 14:21 Xiphos wrote:
Yes it is easier for women to take shelter under a financially sound men by propping up her looks by using cosmetics and exercise. That's why men have statistically more percentage in the homeless record. its not the fault of women that men are physically attracted to them. makeup aside, women are going to be hopelessly adored by men nomatter what. who is to blame for that? surely not the woman
Never said that it women's fault. As matter of fact, women should be able to get all the aesthetic improvement they can in order to improve the society's ambiance.
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So the reason for his rampage was because women didn't find him attractive and he's still a virgin at 22. That's what drove him over the edge? Like some of you have said, this guy is living in his own fairy land where he's entitled to everything. A lot of us including me are still virgins at his age or more, and yes we do feel a little lonely and disappointed with our situations, but we couldn't even fathom killing people as a way to vent it.
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On May 26 2014 14:20 Durp wrote:
Girls want muscles and brawn.
Women want stability.
I hate to generalize like that, but every woman I've ever spoken to and every piece of anecdotal evidence my life has provided has corroborated that belief.
Most guys need to recognize that the strongest force for sexual desire is that of the woman's biological clock. Work towards a stable future, the women will find you.
edit; for the record and without any shred of modesty, I've never worked out a day in my life and am dating a girl way out of my league.
At a certain point, knowing their children will eat every day and that they'll have a roof over their head beats out the initial "yum" factor of muscles. Work hard in life, get an education, women will follow. The biggest misconception is that you have to get laid in your early 20's for some self worth- and low and behold, we're back at the root of the discussion.
But see this directly conflicts with my own personal experience. I usually don't talk about my personal life on the internet, but I think it's relevant here so why not.
Roughly 20 years ago, my mother (now almost 50 years old) left my father, she took me and my younger brother out of country, we had to leave our family, our father and our home behind and why?
I never understood why and to be honest with you to this day I still don't really understand it. A few years ago I actually found the courage and asked my mother "why did you leave him?" and she said "I loved him, he was always good to all of us, but I had been with him pretty much all my life (they started dating at the age of 16) and thought I was missing out on something better."
And sure you could say that she was young and made a mistake, but really? My mother was 28 years old then and she destroyed a happy family, left a stable home and took her kids away from their own father and for what? The sake of adventure?
I can't really be mad at her for doing with she did, leaving our dad thinking there was a better, more exciting life to be had elsewhere (obvious nonsense by the way), because that really is her choice, but what I can't forgive is the fact that she took us with her.
Don't get me wrong, I love my mother, I talk to her almost every day, but this is the "dark side" of feminism from my own perspective and why so many happy marriages sometimes fail. It's not because any of the two partners don't love eachother, it's because of this feministic idea that women can never be truly happy with what they have, that they deserve better, that they need a job and can't be housewives even when their partner makes enough money for the family to live happily in a big house. This idea that feminism sometimes puts into women's heads even if they are already living perfectly happy lives is what ruined our family.
Me and my mother generally don't talk about this much because I know that she feels guilty, she has even come out several times and openly said that it was a mistake, but there is just nothing she could ever do to make me forgive her for taking us away from our own home and our father, because every time I needed my dad he just wasn't there.
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The kid's manifesto... no words can describe it lol. It makes me feel sorry for him in the beginning, but towards the end I'm just shaking my head and thinking "Really? This is your thought process?"
I gotta agree with Dreamer here. I'm not old enough to say what it would be like in that position, but there's a lot of ways out of it before then. Self-improvement, not self-destruction.
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On May 26 2014 14:36 Dreamer.T wrote:
So the reason for his rampage was because women didn't find him attractive and he's still a virgin at 22. That's what drove him over the edge? Like some of you have said, this guy is living in his own fairy land where he's entitled to everything. A lot of us including me are still virgins at his age or more, and yes we do feel a little lonely and disappointed with our situations, but we couldn't even fathom killing people as a way to vent it.
due to highly over-protected childhood and unusually sensitive emotional nature making him socially unattractive, he had intense feelings of inadequacy to the point of believing he was a broken person by the age of 17; coupled with him being extraordinarily isolated this exacerbated feelings of competitiveness (envy) and defiance (hatred) towards other people .#
afaik the "reason" for his rampage is as such and started around the age of 16-17 - not around 22. but i havent read that far yet (no spoilers!!)
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On May 26 2014 14:46 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 14:20 Durp wrote:
Girls want muscles and brawn.
Women want stability.
I hate to generalize like that, but every woman I've ever spoken to and every piece of anecdotal evidence my life has provided has corroborated that belief.
Most guys need to recognize that the strongest force for sexual desire is that of the woman's biological clock. Work towards a stable future, the women will find you.
edit; for the record and without any shred of modesty, I've never worked out a day in my life and am dating a girl way out of my league.
At a certain point, knowing their children will eat every day and that they'll have a roof over their head beats out the initial "yum" factor of muscles. Work hard in life, get an education, women will follow. The biggest misconception is that you have to get laid in your early 20's for some self worth- and low and behold, we're back at the root of the discussion. But see this directly conflicts with my own personal experience. I usually don't talk about my personal life on the internet, but I think it's relevant here so why not. Roughly 20 years ago, my mother (now almost 50 years old) left my father, she took me and my younger brother out of country, we had to leave our family, our father and our home behind and why? I never understood why and to be honest with you to this day I still don't really understand it. A few years ago I actually found the courage and asked my mother "why did you leave him?" and she said "I loved him, he was always good to all of us, but I had been with him pretty much all my life (they started dating at the age of 16) and thought I was missing out on something better." And sure you could say that she was young and made a mistake, but really? My mother was 28 years old then and she destroyed a happy family, left a stable home and took her kids away from their own father and for what? The sake of adventure? I can't really be mad at her for doing with she did, leaving our dad thinking there was a better, more exciting life to be had elsewhere (obvious nonsense by the way), because that really is her choice, but what I can't forgive is the fact that she took us with her. Don't get me wrong, I love my mother, I talk to her almost every day, but this is the "dark side" of feminism from my own perspective and why so many happy marriages sometimes fail. It's not because any of the two partners don't love eachother, it's because of this feministic idea that women can never be truly happy with what they have, that they deserve better, that they need a job and can't be housewives even when their partner makes enough money for the family to live happily in a big house. This idea that feminism sometimes puts into women's heads even if they are already living perfectly happy lives is what ruined our family. Me and my mother generally don't talk about this much because I know that she feels guilty, she has even come out several times and openly said that it was a mistake, but there is just nothing she could ever do to make me forgive her for taking us away from our own home and our father, because every time I needed my dad he just wasn't there.
28 is not old, its definitely a good - and a very early - time to be assessing your life and making changes.
also note that womans "reproductive" age is 2x shorter than man, many women at 30 are thinking that their time is ticking if they want to get things right
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read the entire manifesto yesterday in like 3 hours straight.
No idea why I was so captivated, literally couldn't stop reading. Probably was a fascination of getting a look into the mind of someone who does something like this. Also was probably driven because I didn't know if it was going to get taken down like the youtube vid.
I think the circumstances of his broken family and how he perceived sexuality and social acceptance was seriously flawed. He wanted a meaningful/intimate relationship but had no idea how to go about attaining it. He would go out for walks every day and talk to no one and then get angry because his social life was terrible. He would go to parties and not say anything to anyone and then wonder why he had no friends...seriously...I'm surprised his friend James (or others) weren't able to make him realize how he was approaching the social aspect was just wrong. He thought it was supposed to just happen, and was too angry/bitter to realize or accept advice from others I guess. As someone else said earlier in this thread, I actually empathized with lots of the stuff he talked about. I chuckled at one point he even mentioned how Blizzard Entertainment was getting off track with recent WoW expansion, but that he wouldn't go into details because most of the people reading it wouldn't understand "complicated video game stuff like that." little did he know...I hope the media doesn't latch on to the video game aspect of things like they did with the Newtown shooter for a while. I'm sure as more people read the manifesto more stories will start coming out in the news. He spent a lot of time talking about WoW and gaming in the manifesto, the media seems to love every chance it has to blame mass shootings on video games.
Very disturbing and creepy stuff at the end though. The last 20 pages where he describes how society should be, and how women are all so terrible/misguided etc was really hard to read. I actually got finished reading and had to take a walk(ironic?) to clear my head because it was so freaky and weird, I usually don't get freaked out by stuff but the end of the manifesto was pretty heavy (after having read the entire thing straight up to that point...)
Also about his broken family- divorce really messes with kids. I'm not saying all divorce will screw kids, but more often than not super screwed up kids come from split/broken families. I think it might have to do with the circumstances of divorce, some couples can divorce and the kids transition smoothly, other times it might not be as smooth. Age probably has a big part of it too. The kid was only 8 when his parents divorced, and his father immediately introduced a new girlfriend into his life...what sort of message does that send an 8 year old kid really, it only seemed to fuel his misguided views as he got older. I could be jumping to conclusions of course but that's just my opinion.
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On May 26 2014 14:59 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 14:46 SlixSC wrote:On May 26 2014 14:20 Durp wrote:
Girls want muscles and brawn.
Women want stability.
I hate to generalize like that, but every woman I've ever spoken to and every piece of anecdotal evidence my life has provided has corroborated that belief.
Most guys need to recognize that the strongest force for sexual desire is that of the woman's biological clock. Work towards a stable future, the women will find you.
edit; for the record and without any shred of modesty, I've never worked out a day in my life and am dating a girl way out of my league.
At a certain point, knowing their children will eat every day and that they'll have a roof over their head beats out the initial "yum" factor of muscles. Work hard in life, get an education, women will follow. The biggest misconception is that you have to get laid in your early 20's for some self worth- and low and behold, we're back at the root of the discussion. But see this directly conflicts with my own personal experience. I usually don't talk about my personal life on the internet, but I think it's relevant here so why not. Roughly 20 years ago, my mother (now almost 50 years old) left my father, she took me and my younger brother out of country, we had to leave our family, our father and our home behind and why? I never understood why and to be honest with you to this day I still don't really understand it. A few years ago I actually found the courage and asked my mother "why did you leave him?" and she said "I loved him, he was always good to all of us, but I had been with him pretty much all my life (they started dating at the age of 16) and thought I was missing out on something better." And sure you could say that she was young and made a mistake, but really? My mother was 28 years old then and she destroyed a happy family, left a stable home and took her kids away from their own father and for what? The sake of adventure? I can't really be mad at her for doing with she did, leaving our dad thinking there was a better, more exciting life to be had elsewhere (obvious nonsense by the way), because that really is her choice, but what I can't forgive is the fact that she took us with her. Don't get me wrong, I love my mother, I talk to her almost every day, but this is the "dark side" of feminism from my own perspective and why so many happy marriages sometimes fail. It's not because any of the two partners don't love eachother, it's because of this feministic idea that women can never be truly happy with what they have, that they deserve better, that they need a job and can't be housewives even when their partner makes enough money for the family to live happily in a big house. This idea that feminism sometimes puts into women's heads even if they are already living perfectly happy lives is what ruined our family. Me and my mother generally don't talk about this much because I know that she feels guilty, she has even come out several times and openly said that it was a mistake, but there is just nothing she could ever do to make me forgive her for taking us away from our own home and our father, because every time I needed my dad he just wasn't there. 28 is not old, its definitely a good - and a very early - time to be assessing your life and making changes. also note that womans "reproductive" age is 2x shorter than man, many women at 30 are thinking that their time is ticking if they want to get things right
And do you really think that gives a woman the right to destroy a happy family? I understand that it was her personal choice and she has every right to make that choice, but she should have never had the right to take me and my brother with her. Her choice to leave our family should have been her choice alone, it certainly wasn't the choice me or my brother would have made because we were happy.. so was she by the way, the only reason she decided to leave my dad was because she felt adventurous. It's just irresponsible and I see feminism having that effect on so many women, because in feminism housewives are being portrayed as slaves and told that "being independent" is so much better, but it's nonsense and it destroys families. Being independent can be better, but not if you are giving up a happy life just for the sake of being independent.
But it's a sad reality that child custody laws are set up in a way to make sure that the woman almost always wins, almost regardless of circumstances. I was too young at the time to even realize what was happening and so was my little brother, but it honestly blows my mind that the person deciding to leave a stable home and go on an adventure can even get child custody. It's crazy.
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not the fact that women control the dating pool.
The rest was good, this is not so good. I've never heard a non-massively-privileged argument explaining how women control the 'dating pool'. Women have more power over who they choose as partners than they used to, but that's all, and given they used to have next to none, that's not saying a whole lot.
Not asking for a giant rebuttal here, just saying that could have been a little better worded, it's hard to let comments like that stand without question.
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On May 26 2014 16:25 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Women have more power over who they choose as partners than they used to, but that's all, and given they used to have next to none, that's not saying a whole lot.
That's such a malformed statement. What does history have to do with any of it? As far as I am aware women have exactly the same rights as men, they are free to choose their sexual partners in exactly the same way men are.... or am I missing something?
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I was so scared for my friend who goes to UCSB when I found out about this. My heart goes out to the families who lost precious ones on this dreadful night.
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Regarding sexual equality in dating, I feel the main imbalance is that the reasons why girls are attracted to guys are not that intuitive to most guys, and some guys have to change the way they think in order to not get depressed when they want to start the dating game. For a girl to attract guys, in most cases, she only has to look attractive. This is especially unfair to girls who are not born with good face and body, as they will have to put in a lot of work to their body to live up a social standard and attract the best possible guy. When you ask sexually frustrated guys: what attracts girls? They would say money, nice car, having a six-pack, something along these line. Those extrinsic qualities do help, but some sexually frustrated guys don't realize that intrinsic values like confidence, humor, a feeling of self-worth, knowing how to accept rejection are much more important. Even if they do realize it, it is much harder to work on your intrinsic values than putting on make ups. The idea of self improvement is probably the best thing to take away from the PUA community. Personally, this imbalance makes me feel fortunate that I'm a male because if I continuously work hard and improve my mindset, somewhere along the way, I can find the girl of my dream.
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No one is talking about his father, Peter Rodger, in this thread?
He was assistant director of The Hunger Games, a movie where people slaughter each other. Before that, he created a documentary about God called "Oh My God".
Given that the killer had no friends, his father was probably an important figure in his life.
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