EPTRace and Gender perceptions in desirability - Page 3
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dravernor
Netherlands6192 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 10 2014 03:02 Chocolate wrote: Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However: We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc. Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress. Asian don't want to be "white" for sake of imitating or wanting to be Europeans. They want to be "white" as a sign to show the rest of the world that they don't have to work much under the sun as that would show sign of degradation of their status. And plus I've seen many Asian girls who are PALER than Europeans and Americans at time of birth. And the reason why they want to get their hair dyed is to distinguish themselves b/w themselves as Asians mostly have black hair. Also another reason reason in wanting to be "white" is that it is sign of being clean which goes back to being in a higher social status. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
As a white guy, cute Asian girls are great. In general, and when stereotyping, what Asian girls have (Chinese and Korean specifically), and that other races of women don't do as well is: -Most hardworking academically -Very few are fat compared to white/black/middle eastern/Indian girls -In my eyes, the most loyal -Relatively accepting and no super crazy beliefs -Insane sex drive -Really cute (hard to explain, but it's like the way they act, they generally don't have an attitude like many black or white girls, they are the ones who like curling up in your chest and just cuddling you, and they need their partner and it makes you feel more valuable as a boyfriend. As for why an asian girl will date a white guy: -White men are generally considered to have the greatest social standing in North America, and usually the greatest average salaries as well. -Asian parents really only want their kid to either have a White or Asian husband. -In many ways, Asian people try to look like white people, and it has been shown throughout history. -Educated white men don't really have any stereotypes surrounding them the way Mexicans/Brown People/Asian men do. Asian girls are really conscious of the little things like that, and a White guy really has nothing to be made fun of about. -Generally speaking White guys are into the most socially accepted hobbies here in University. Middle eastern people are too religious for Asian girls, 95% of First Nations have no education and are considered drunks by most of society, Brown people have stubby builds, and generally, white guys have the most easy going parents and as such they usually have cars sooner, they can sleep over, they can stay out late, and because they aren't so babysat all the time, I would argue they are the most mature and most experienced in the 18-24 age group. As for reasons why you don't see white girls date Asian guys... I know a large portion of TL is Chinese, so don't be offended, but: In my university classes, and this was the case with high school as well, Asian guys are the most antisocial, the most dorky as in, into anime, lots of video games. Generally speaking, I think they are the least visually appealing. There are some good looking Asian guys, no doubt, but the issue is, I feel like a large percentage of Asian guys don't really care about their image very much. In high school there were a few that did fit into the cool crowd, but more of them rather played Yugioh at lunch, or only focused on their studies. Not to mention, White girls are generally pretty wild, and Asian guys are the opposite of that. Also lol, most Asian parents will not allow an Asian boys girlfriend sleepover at their house until they are older, that would piss off many white girls. Many Asian men get cars really late, and are bad drivers. Eh, I don't want to get more offensive than I already did, as that wasn't my intention, but overall, I just don't think there is very much an Asian guy can give to the average white girl, that a White guy can't in the general sense. However, I think that in general there's a decent bit that a White guy can give to an Asian girl, that an Asian guy can't, and that's why you see more Asian girl + White guy relationships. At the end of the day, you Asian guy's do have it harder, but with effort it is definitely possible to bridge that gap and be very desired by both White and Asian girls, and we do see that happen on a regular basis. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Edit: Also Asian are bad driver lol wut? Oh I see it's an American meme or something? Not funny anyways. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why are you so obsessed with cars in your analysis lol? Picking up a girl from her house, and being able to drive to the mountains for a hike, get everywhere faster, just makes you more masculine and cooler to a girl in many cases. Pretty much in 99% of cases, for getting a girl, Having a car > Not having a car. There are many examples, but I gave this one, as it's a common one, and I would've thought it's one many of us have experienced. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17865 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:08 Manit0u wrote: Man, those white females sure are racist bitches... I don't think so, I really don't. I think they are the most "needy", and white guy's are the best ones to be able to put up with it. From my time in high school at least, I honestly felt that Asian's were very racist. Asian guys accepting white guys into their group was not very common because I don't know if they felt we were going to conquer them or what, but they always stuck to their own. While white male groups were accepting towards asian guy's so long they followed the social expectations. Again, this is from a white guy, so it may very well be biased. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I guess you live in arural, mountainous area as opposed to a densely populated city? Calgary. 1.1 million population, however larger than New York on area. I'd consider it a normal suburban North American city. Slightly lower population density, but the life isn't much different than that of Vancouver or Toronto. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Normal suburban north american city is much more isolated and densely populated than typical European town I guess. Less public transport and the ilk. Well when your country is approximately 30 times larger than Germany in area, but has 40% of the population, that's what happens ^^. Just an aerial photo of downtown Calgary & surroundings. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/22KpeIF.jpg) | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Where are the mountains? 60-90 minute drive from the city. Remember, Calgary is at 1100m elevation already. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yWxj7VU.jpg) Sorry, don't mean to be hijacking the thread with pics of the city, just answering questions S: Although come live here, seriously! | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:39 urboss wrote: How far away from Calgary is the next bigger city? 3 hours from a city with 1 million population. 12 hours from a city with 2 million population. 34 hours from a city with 4 million population. (within Canada, there are some US cities that are closer I'm sure). There's only 6 cities with a population of 200,000+ in all of Western Canada, and that 4,000,000 square kilometres of land. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Its akin to a girl being asked out by a random guy on the street wearing T-shirt and jeans when in fact, he is millionaire (not the exact big effect but you get ma drift). Btw: there is nothing with being nerdy. There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 10 2014 05:53 Xiphos wrote: I myself am Asian but I think its a GOOD thing that Asians have the stereotypes of being "nerdy, antisocial, unathletic, and not charismatic" because white guys are expected to do well in those categories but for myself, the expectation are rather low so its so much easier for me to surprise girls by showing just a tiny bit of those qualities. Its akin to a girl being asked out by a random guy on the street wearing T-shirt and jeans when in fact, he is millionaire (not the exact big effect but you get ma drift). Btw: there is nothing with being nerdy. There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later. I think that your bottom paragraph is a big misconception. Currently in my Engineering field at University I would say it is 50% White, 30% Chinese, 10% Brown, 5% Middle east, 2% Black, and the rest something else. I don't think at this point there is one group that does better than the others academically, it all really comes down to effort, a bit of natural talent, etc. But the issue is, the White people study more in groups, they network a lot more connections to the industry, they do more extracurricular activities like going to trips to the Oil Sands, attend meeting and seminars, and just really help themselves for the future. Asian people more often sit back, and spend A LOT of time getting their GPA high, and while that is important, there is a lot more than that. So even though on average Asian's may finish with slightly higher GPA's, and their odds of getting an Engineering job is very similar to that of a white person, you don't see very many Asian's in higher up management positions. I think the bottom 25% of white people are a lot more problematic and less appealing than the bottom 25% of Asian people, but I think once you get to the top 10-25% of the population of white men or Asian men, I think on average the White men balance their life slightly differently to actually finish with a more successful career than Asian men even though their technical skills may be better. Again, there are many exceptions, but this is the trend I am seeing where I live anyway. I think Calgary is one of the least racist cities, but statistics do show that white men do have higher salaries than other men for one reason or another. It may be linked to racism, maybe better English skills, maybe some of the above reasons, or maybe a mix of all, either way, it is a reality we live in. | ||
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Brindled
United States508 Posts
 I think as generalized perceptions of those characteristics by other people, I would agree. Obviously not everyone has those qualities, and it would be ignorant to say so.There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later. Very true. My social skills didn't really bloom until I was in graduate school, which if you jump into right after undergraduate schooling, you are still relatively young and still able to have fun without feeling old man tired! | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 10 2014 06:10 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think that your bottom paragraph is a big misconception. Currently in my Engineering field at University I would say it is 50% White, 30% Chinese, 10% Brown, 5% Middle east, 2% Black, and the rest something else. I don't think at this point there is one group that does better than the others academically, it all really comes down to effort, a bit of natural talent, etc. But the issue is, the White people study more in groups, they network a lot more connections to the industry, they do more extracurricular activities like going to trips to the Oil Sands, attend meeting and seminars, and just really help themselves for the future. Asian people more often sit back, and spend A LOT of time getting their GPA high, and while that is important, there is a lot more than that. So even though on average Asian's may finish with slightly higher GPA's, and their odds of getting an Engineering job is very similar to that of a white person, you don't see very many Asian's in higher up management positions. I think the bottom 25% of white people are a lot more problematic and less appealing than the bottom 25% of Asian people, but I think once you get to the top 10-25% of the population of white men or Asian men, I think on average the White men balance their life better to actually finish with a more successful career than Asian men even though their technical skills may be better. Again, there are many exceptions, but this is the trend I am seeing where I live anyway. The Asians I know READS a shit tone like they would go through materials, books, novels, articles, and documents faster than any race would. In their free time, that's all they would do is to read but not exactly say much. While other people socializes and diversifies, you can only get a certain depth with talking, the Asian guys I know goes to bottom of things but they just can't exactly express them as well. In a sense, those people who have read a lot (again not only Asians) just have higher "horsepowers" for potential success. I wasn't talking about those actually intelligent white guys but more so about those guys who are REALLY successful with women earlier on because they focus a lot on social skills but forgo actual technical knowledge. Those guys will usually get burned out by the Asian counterpart because management know their priorities for hiring. But in the end, it all comes down to hard work. In terms of management, you don't exactly need to be managers in order to earn lots of cash. There are cases where you are so good and knowledgeable in your specialty, the companies will give you yearly figure in the millions for you to keep it up. | ||
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