Here is relevant information regarding how various genders and races perceive each other in terms of dating desirability for heterosexual relationships.
The data shown above come from the Facebook dating app, Are You Interested(AYI), which works like this: Users in search of someone for a date or for sex flip through profiles of other users and, for each one, click either “yes” (I like what I see) or “skip” (show me the next profile). When the answer is “yes,” the other user is notified and has the opportunity to respond. It’s very similar to another dating app, Tinder...
AYI analyzed some 2.4 million heterosexual interactions—meaning every time a user clicked either “yes” or “skip”—to come up with these statistics. Its users skew older than Tinder’s—about two-thirds of AYI users are older than 35, according to a spokesperson. Yellowish colors are for “neutral” and red and green indicate “strong preference”. data taken from OKCupid's dating website
On May 09 2014 23:01 lilopuppy wrote: Ouch... I don't understand the graphs though.
The 1st one is just the rate at which people hit Yes on a dating app, a high volume one that matches you mostly based on location to each other.
The other two are read as: On the left you have the gender and race of the person sending a message On the top you have the recipient to the message. Where two rows intersect is how often a sender of race(left side) got a reply back from race y(top side).
The numbers on the perimeter is a weighted average basically. The avg some group seeks a response and gets it(right side) or The avg some group responds(bottom). The avg is weighted as each racial group aren't equally sending to every other group.
The colors are indicating stronger or weaker response to the avg of all groups(the bottom right number).
The data shows the reply rate by a male sender. How females view males different races. In desirability to date. Male sender to Female Respondent
Here is Female sender to Male respondent. No surprise men are de-fucking-lighted any woman is interested in them.
This one i find interesting as it seems women are conditioned more to preference their own race as oppose to their male counterparts
Good news is that although our initial response is well racist, our actual chances when it comes to compatibility is well very close to agnostic when it comes to race. Below is match % rate between races. Too bad we choose who we interact with and thus filter by race
Tends established
Women get three times the interactions men do.
All men seemed to be more interested in people outside their race.
Black men and women get the lowest response rates to their messages.
All women except black women are most drawn to white men, and men of all races (with one notable exception) prefer Asian women.
Black women respond the most.
White men get more replies from almost every group.
White women prefer white men; Asian and Latina women prefer them even more exclusively.
What do you think spur these developments?
I'll blame everyone's old ass racist parents!
Even if they didn't come from the United States, You want to hear some blatant racism all you have to do is talk to 1st generation immigrants that come from places outside of western Europe who've at least learn how to be subversive, like most American who live in major cities have. Growing up with that even if you disagree at an intellectual level you may still find it to be your initial response.
You should like the Nada's body thread to the TL inclination towards yellow fever.
Anyways, very interesting post. I can't watch the videos or click the links since I am at work but there is some very interesting numbers here. Gonna check the rest of the stuff out at home later
if the world became globalized when the asian culture was dominant (instead of this alternate universe, though, we have a situation where most of the world is becoming assimilated into the western meta-narrative), you could bet that things would be bit different.
Still amazed at how small the numbers in the first graph are. I think more than anything else, this just says that people on the internet have become exceptionally picky.
On May 09 2014 14:43 Orcasgt24 wrote: You should like the Nada's body thread to the TL inclination towards yellow fever.
Anyways, very interesting post. I can't watch the videos or click the links since I am at work but there is some very interesting numbers here. Gonna check the rest of the stuff out at home later
Asian women having a higher response rate to White men, rather than Asian men is a bit surprising to me. I was always under the impression Asian culture looked down heavily on interracial relationships.
On May 09 2014 15:54 DonKey_ wrote: Asian women having a higher response rate to White men, rather than Asian men is a bit surprising to me. I was always under the impression Asian culture looked down heavily on interracial relationships.
In Southern California, you'll see Asian women with practically any other race BESIDE Asian men.
On May 09 2014 15:29 EvilTeletubby wrote: Still amazed at how small the numbers in the first graph are. I think more than anything else, this just says that people on the internet have become exceptionally picky.
I assume it comes with the app's design considering you are not seeking and sending a message; as much as getting their profile then hitting yes or next. So it's a high volume sorta deal.
I wanted data on other dating websites but i just went with the easiest one to find. But didn't find anything with a lazy search for stats from badoo or plenty of fish.
On May 09 2014 16:12 Mina wrote: ^ I'm guessing they performed the survey in multifaceted America, rather than in respective countries.
https://www.quantcast.com/okcupid.com/traffic/mobileweb?country=US Well okcupids traffic is vastly US which will skew the results. Yet, there is some showing outside of the US notably the UK and Canada. Shame i couldn't find any data from badoo which would give a good picture of europe.
On May 09 2014 16:56 Shiragaku wrote: Would it be fair to say that many people view Asian men as eunuchs?
Rounded faces are more attributed to feminine qualities than masculine qualities in western cultures, which probably hurts.
A random stab as this with some generalisations: Asian people are "shy" and less assertive due to their culture. The "shyness" in asian males have are interpreted as not masculine, however a "shy" and less assertive girl is seen as very feminine and desirable.
On May 09 2014 17:04 JieXian wrote: 白人看不懂 on his shirt hahahaha..
A random stab as this with some generalisations: Asian people are "shy" and less assertive due to their culture. The "shyness" in asian males have are interpreted as not masculine, however a "shy" and less assertive girl is seen as very feminine and desirable.
How is the match% being calculated?
A match percentage between two people is a condensed, yet statistically valid, expression of how well they might get along. 75% is very high, 45% is very low, and 60.2% is the site-wide average. If, for example, a couple match each other 71%, it means they are likely to like each other, based on their own individual definitions of what makes a person cool, sexy, and attractive, not ours. I point this out now so that, below, when we claim that Jewish women are easier to get along with than Christians, you don’t blame us, you blame Jesus. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/how-races-and-religions-match-in-online-dating/#match-discussion http://www.okcupid.com/help/match-percentages
So basically the percentages are independent of race and looks, but focuses merely on the persons character, am I right?
How are the results surprising at all when the algorithm ignores the biases in the judgement of other people by their looks? People are conformists in what they say that they are and in what they say that they want.
You can even match 2 heterosexual guys together that way and say that they are a match.
On May 09 2014 17:34 JieXian wrote: So basically the percentages are independent of race and looks, but focuses merely on the persons character, am I right?
How are the results surprising at all when the algorithm ignores the biases in the judgement of other people by their looks? People are conformists in what they say that they are and in what they say that they want.
You can even match 2 heterosexual guys together that way and say that they are a match.
Or am I wrong?
I'm not sure on what metrics okcupid uses, but i actually wouldn't be surprised if preferences such as interested in white girls would be used in their metrics. Their metric is just what they figured out to give the best results to finding a possible match that will work. It all depends on their self reported quizzes and their profile raiting system they set up to get matches along with w.e the site data tell them. A good self reported test will account for commonly lied for questions, even the lies are important data points you just have to make sure you can catch them and treat them as such.
On May 09 2014 15:54 DonKey_ wrote: Asian women having a higher response rate to White men, rather than Asian men is a bit surprising to me. I was always under the impression Asian culture looked down heavily on interracial relationships.
Well, data for Asians is skewed though. This was research done via a Facebook app, and since Facebook is banned in China they are missing out on a large demographic.
Edit: it also depends if the research is done in a largely multi-ethnic cultures such as the United States, or in a areas that are much more homogenous, such as much of Europe and Asia.
On May 09 2014 15:54 DonKey_ wrote: Asian women having a higher response rate to White men, rather than Asian men is a bit surprising to me. I was always under the impression Asian culture looked down heavily on interracial relationships.
Well, data for Asians is skewed though. This was research done via a Facebook app, and since Facebook is banned in China they are missing out on a large demographic.
Not only that, as far as I know, most AYI users are from the US. Unless you do these studies with samples from each county, you are going to end up with skewed data. Also, is this stuff published and peer reviewed? A lot of things can go wrong in the preparation and presentation of the data. For example, are the n for each group the same? Are the results statistically significant? Which statistical tests did they use?
On May 09 2014 15:29 EvilTeletubby wrote: Still amazed at how small the numbers in the first graph are. I think more than anything else, this just says that people on the internet have become exceptionally picky.
I think a lot of people make accounts and then leave them up for no reason even if they find someone.
I've seen the Okcupid data but the refresher and new data is nice.
On May 09 2014 19:39 urboss wrote: Not only that, as far as I know, most AYI users are from the US. Unless you do these studies with samples from each county, you are going to end up with skewed data. Also, is this stuff published and peer reviewed? A lot of things can go wrong in the preparation and presentation of the data. For example, are the n for each group the same? Are the results statistically significant? Which statistical tests did they use?
I wouldn't call it skewed data. Doesn't skew have to denote bias at an extreme? As long as we're aware that the study took place in the US we can't generalize it outside the US.
If this is US centric, then they have to present it as such. Because then they are not looking at Asians and Blacks. They are looking at Asian Americans and African Americans. This is an important distinction!
In a society where White men are usually the ones that are wealthy and powerful, it is no big surprise that women will prefer White men.
Even if this is US-only, I find this interesting when looked at alongside other racial trends: Whites outperform Latinos academically, and both of those outperform Blacks, but Asians outperform everyone. Black Men being passed over because women associate them with more negative cultural stereotypes is understandable, but why are White men the most popular when Asian men are more successful, at least academically?
I can think of two possible explanations. One is physical; I find that Asian men, in general, don't look nearly as masculine as men from other races- if you've ever come across pictures of men crossdressing, White men look like this + Show Spoiler +
Whereas Asian men can be undistinguishable from Asian women- case in point, Backho: + Show Spoiler +
The other possibility is that academic achievement doesn't translate so well into success later in life, and White men are considered the most successful group overall.
This study does not include Indian/Pakistani people, therefore is invalid. Also, considering a majority of the population in the US is white, it's not surprising that you would get these results. Besides that, what does this study accomplish anyhow? Statistics really play almost no role on an individual basis, where there are variables that span far outside the range of any study.
The OKcupid religion data was fascinating too... but the analysis on the website is really, really bad for both. Like, embarrassingly-failing-statistics class kinda bad. Which makes me worry about the underlying data, if it was compiled by a company that couldn't scrounge up one writer capable of explaining the data properly. Also, rates for all this stuff are going to be heavily regional/cultural. What is true in CA is going to be different from TX, and I'd bet anything UK numbers would look pretty different from Germany's.
I have a hunch regarding that preference for outside race thing. You know, how often young male animals leaving their herds to get to other herds when they grow up. That need to spread your herds genes. Maybe. Maybe not.
In light of this article I'd say the results are hardly surprising when it comes to the preferences of men.
Interesting article, but some of the evolutionary psychology discussion dips heavily into theory stated as fact, as it usually does. So it's a good read, but it's probably also reaching a bit.
Edit: I tried to find other academic publications by the authors and couldn't find anything. It appears that none of them have a phd or anything. Meh.
On May 09 2014 20:48 urboss wrote: If this is US centric, then they have to present it as such. Because then they are not looking at Asians and Blacks. They are looking at Asian Americans and African Americans. This is an important distinction!
In a society where White men are usually the ones that are wealthy and powerful, it is no big surprise that women will prefer White men.
It's a topic about race of course it's US centric, but okcupid mostly US the only other substantial traffic comes from the UK and Canada, the US the pretty much the only place where race can be discussed without people being taken aback. Similar to how awkward americans get if you talk about sex. I mean i'm willing to be you're not from the US and you took offense that racial bias in dating preference could correlate to you, which lead you to make sure you could distance it from yourself.
That being said it be hard to find good data outside of dating websites, to get any data about dating preferences instead of just well racial perceptions in general. Any academic study esp done outside the US is likely to get weirdly obtuse like talking marriage data.
On May 09 2014 20:48 urboss wrote: If this is US centric, then they have to present it as such. Because then they are not looking at Asians and Blacks. They are looking at Asian Americans and African Americans. This is an important distinction!
In a society where White men are usually the ones that are wealthy and powerful, it is no big surprise that women will prefer White men.
It's a topic about race of course it's US centric, but okcupid mostly US the only other substantial traffic comes from the UK and Canada, the US the pretty much the only place where race can be discussed without people being taken aback. Similar to how awkward americans get if you talk about sex. I mean i'm willing to be you're not from the US and you took offense that racial bias in dating preference could correlate to you, which lead you to make sure you could distance it from yourself...
Wow, you're good at making assumptions about people. I'm White and I prefer Asians, so I couldn't be happier with the result of the study.
The study is bullshit for the aforementioned reasons: - No presentation of the methods used for data collection - Samples taken from a White majority - No statistical analysis whatsoever
These things are tricky to get right. And unless standard scientific practices are in place, discussing things like this study is just a big waste of time!
I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive?
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present.
On May 09 2014 23:01 lilopuppy wrote: Ouch... I don't understand the graphs though.
The 1st one is just the rate at which people hit Yes on a dating app, a high volume one that matches you mostly based on location to each other.
The other two are read as On the left you have the gender and race of the person sending a message on the top you have the recipient to the message. Where they intersect is how often a sender of race x on the left got a reply back from race y on the top. The numbers on the perimeter is a weighted average basically, basically the avg some group seeks a response and gets it(right side) or the avg some group responds(bottom). The avg is weighted as each racial group aren't equally sending to every other group. The colors is indicating stronger or weaker response to the avg of all groups.
The results that the vast majority of males would have the greatest responce to asian women and the vast majority of females have a greater responce to white men should be no suprise to a person exposed to many cultures. Asian women are usually regarded as more attractive in most categories that women are judged by, (intelligence, personality and beauty), and white men would be the most socially dominant. I do find it suprising that black women seem to prefer black men, perhaps it is simply that black women have a different culture to everybody else in the USA?
On May 09 2014 15:19 phosphorylation wrote: if the world became globalized when the asian culture was dominant (instead of this alternate universe, though, we have a situation where most of the world is becoming assimilated into the western meta-narrative), you could bet that things would be bit different.
Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However:
On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive?
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present.
We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc.
Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress.
On May 10 2014 02:41 Mothra wrote: Who could this information possibly be of benefit to? Wait I know, $$$$$Advertisers$$$$$ Divide and conquer, divide and conquer.
Well also as a dating website crunching big clumps of data is pretty much 90% of what they do.
On May 09 2014 15:19 phosphorylation wrote: if the world became globalized when the asian culture was dominant (instead of this alternate universe, though, we have a situation where most of the world is becoming assimilated into the western meta-narrative), you could bet that things would be bit different.
Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However:
On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive?
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present.
We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc.
Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress.
On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive?
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present.
I think people are more upset about the study regarding itself as something that applies worldwide while it is very US-centric and its scientific base nonexistent.
Research like this is good for tabloids, nothing more, nothing less.
I think that marketing has a lot to do with the current beauty ideals With K-pop and J-pop (i.e. cute looking, innocent girls) being increasingly marketed towards a young male caucasian audience, it is hardly surprising that they find themselves increasingly attracted to Asian girls. Conversely, most male models tend to be caucasian, while Asian men are usually regarded as being very good students, but overal not as attractive as the caucasian sports models.
However, attraction and regarding someone as a potential mate are still two different things. Top models are often attractive, but their lack of 'mental capacity' (to put it politely) is a turnoff to a lot of men. Hence we will just see them as lust objects, not necessarily as something we will base our choice of mate on. We will fantasise having a one night stand with them, but rarely will we think that marrying them is a good idea. people can be attracted to Asians, Africans, Caucasians or whatever, if they meet someone who is not that primary type of people they are attracted to, but is very compatible with you, chances are they are going to date that person.
It would be interesting to have the data divided by significant age ranges. Your taste and preference change a lot from when you are 18 to when you are 27...
On May 09 2014 15:19 phosphorylation wrote: if the world became globalized when the asian culture was dominant (instead of this alternate universe, though, we have a situation where most of the world is becoming assimilated into the western meta-narrative), you could bet that things would be bit different.
Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However:
On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive?
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present.
We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc.
Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress.
Asian don't want to be "white" for sake of imitating or wanting to be Europeans.
They want to be "white" as a sign to show the rest of the world that they don't have to work much under the sun as that would show sign of degradation of their status. And plus I've seen many Asian girls who are PALER than Europeans and Americans at time of birth.
And the reason why they want to get their hair dyed is to distinguish themselves b/w themselves as Asians mostly have black hair.
Also another reason reason in wanting to be "white" is that it is sign of being clean which goes back to being in a higher social status.
White guy dating a sweetheart of a Chinese Asian girl here (15 months). My thoughts for explaining "yellow fever":
As a white guy, cute Asian girls are great. In general, and when stereotyping, what Asian girls have (Chinese and Korean specifically), and that other races of women don't do as well is:
-Most hardworking academically -Very few are fat compared to white/black/middle eastern/Indian girls -In my eyes, the most loyal -Relatively accepting and no super crazy beliefs -Insane sex drive -Really cute (hard to explain, but it's like the way they act, they generally don't have an attitude like many black or white girls, they are the ones who like curling up in your chest and just cuddling you, and they need their partner and it makes you feel more valuable as a boyfriend.
As for why an asian girl will date a white guy:
-White men are generally considered to have the greatest social standing in North America, and usually the greatest average salaries as well. -Asian parents really only want their kid to either have a White or Asian husband. -In many ways, Asian people try to look like white people, and it has been shown throughout history. -Educated white men don't really have any stereotypes surrounding them the way Mexicans/Brown People/Asian men do. Asian girls are really conscious of the little things like that, and a White guy really has nothing to be made fun of about. -Generally speaking White guys are into the most socially accepted hobbies here in University. Middle eastern people are too religious for Asian girls, 95% of First Nations have no education and are considered drunks by most of society, Brown people have stubby builds, and generally, white guys have the most easy going parents and as such they usually have cars sooner, they can sleep over, they can stay out late, and because they aren't so babysat all the time, I would argue they are the most mature and most experienced in the 18-24 age group.
As for reasons why you don't see white girls date Asian guys...
I know a large portion of TL is Chinese, so don't be offended, but:
In my university classes, and this was the case with high school as well, Asian guys are the most antisocial, the most dorky as in, into anime, lots of video games. Generally speaking, I think they are the least visually appealing. There are some good looking Asian guys, no doubt, but the issue is, I feel like a large percentage of Asian guys don't really care about their image very much. In high school there were a few that did fit into the cool crowd, but more of them rather played Yugioh at lunch, or only focused on their studies. Not to mention, White girls are generally pretty wild, and Asian guys are the opposite of that. Also lol, most Asian parents will not allow an Asian boys girlfriend sleepover at their house until they are older, that would piss off many white girls. Many Asian men get cars really late, and are bad drivers.
Eh, I don't want to get more offensive than I already did, as that wasn't my intention, but overall, I just don't think there is very much an Asian guy can give to the average white girl, that a White guy can't in the general sense. However, I think that in general there's a decent bit that a White guy can give to an Asian girl, that an Asian guy can't, and that's why you see more Asian girl + White guy relationships.
At the end of the day, you Asian guy's do have it harder, but with effort it is definitely possible to bridge that gap and be very desired by both White and Asian girls, and we do see that happen on a regular basis.
On May 10 2014 05:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why are you so obsessed with cars in your analysis lol?
Picking up a girl from her house, and being able to drive to the mountains for a hike, get everywhere faster, just makes you more masculine and cooler to a girl in many cases. Pretty much in 99% of cases, for getting a girl, Having a car > Not having a car.
There are many examples, but I gave this one, as it's a common one, and I would've thought it's one many of us have experienced.
On May 10 2014 05:08 Manit0u wrote: Man, those white females sure are racist bitches...
I don't think so, I really don't. I think they are the most "needy", and white guy's are the best ones to be able to put up with it.
From my time in high school at least, I honestly felt that Asian's were very racist. Asian guys accepting white guys into their group was not very common because I don't know if they felt we were going to conquer them or what, but they always stuck to their own. While white male groups were accepting towards asian guy's so long they followed the social expectations. Again, this is from a white guy, so it may very well be biased.
On May 10 2014 05:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I guess you live in arural, mountainous area as opposed to a densely populated city?
Calgary. 1.1 million population, however larger than New York on area. I'd consider it a normal suburban North American city. Slightly lower population density, but the life isn't much different than that of Vancouver or Toronto.
On May 10 2014 05:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Normal suburban north american city is much more isolated and densely populated than typical European town I guess. Less public transport and the ilk.
Well when your country is approximately 30 times larger than Germany in area, but has 40% of the population, that's what happens ^^.
Just an aerial photo of downtown Calgary & surroundings.
On May 10 2014 05:39 urboss wrote: How far away from Calgary is the next bigger city?
3 hours from a city with 1 million population. 12 hours from a city with 2 million population. 34 hours from a city with 4 million population. (within Canada, there are some US cities that are closer I'm sure).
There's only 6 cities with a population of 200,000+ in all of Western Canada, and that 4,000,000 square kilometres of land.
I myself am Asian but I think its a GOOD thing that Asians have the stereotypes of being "nerdy, antisocial, unathletic, and not charismatic" because white guys are expected to do well in those categories but for myself, the expectation are rather low so its so much easier for me to surprise girls by showing just a tiny bit of those qualities.
Its akin to a girl being asked out by a random guy on the street wearing T-shirt and jeans when in fact, he is millionaire (not the exact big effect but you get ma drift).
Btw: there is nothing with being nerdy.
There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later.
On May 10 2014 05:53 Xiphos wrote: I myself am Asian but I think its a GOOD thing that Asians have the stereotypes of being "nerdy, antisocial, unathletic, and not charismatic" because white guys are expected to do well in those categories but for myself, the expectation are rather low so its so much easier for me to surprise girls by showing just a tiny bit of those qualities.
Its akin to a girl being asked out by a random guy on the street wearing T-shirt and jeans when in fact, he is millionaire (not the exact big effect but you get ma drift).
Btw: there is nothing with being nerdy.
There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later.
I think that your bottom paragraph is a big misconception.
Currently in my Engineering field at University I would say it is 50% White, 30% Chinese, 10% Brown, 5% Middle east, 2% Black, and the rest something else. I don't think at this point there is one group that does better than the others academically, it all really comes down to effort, a bit of natural talent, etc.
But the issue is, the White people study more in groups, they network a lot more connections to the industry, they do more extracurricular activities like going to trips to the Oil Sands, attend meeting and seminars, and just really help themselves for the future. Asian people more often sit back, and spend A LOT of time getting their GPA high, and while that is important, there is a lot more than that. So even though on average Asian's may finish with slightly higher GPA's, and their odds of getting an Engineering job is very similar to that of a white person, you don't see very many Asian's in higher up management positions.
I think the bottom 25% of white people are a lot more problematic and less appealing than the bottom 25% of Asian people, but I think once you get to the top 10-25% of the population of white men or Asian men, I think on average the White men balance their life slightly differently to actually finish with a more successful career than Asian men even though their technical skills may be better. Again, there are many exceptions, but this is the trend I am seeing where I live anyway. I think Calgary is one of the least racist cities, but statistics do show that white men do have higher salaries than other men for one reason or another. It may be linked to racism, maybe better English skills, maybe some of the above reasons, or maybe a mix of all, either way, it is a reality we live in.
Fiwifaki, I think people are only going to get offended at your last paragraph from your first long post because you didn't characterize it as generalized perceptions, which is what I think you were going for. Some people probably think you are trying to say those things you described are actual truths. I think as generalized perceptions of those characteristics by other people, I would agree. Obviously not everyone has those qualities, and it would be ignorant to say so.
There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later.
Very true. My social skills didn't really bloom until I was in graduate school, which if you jump into right after undergraduate schooling, you are still relatively young and still able to have fun without feeling old man tired!
On May 10 2014 05:53 Xiphos wrote: I myself am Asian but I think its a GOOD thing that Asians have the stereotypes of being "nerdy, antisocial, unathletic, and not charismatic" because white guys are expected to do well in those categories but for myself, the expectation are rather low so its so much easier for me to surprise girls by showing just a tiny bit of those qualities.
Its akin to a girl being asked out by a random guy on the street wearing T-shirt and jeans when in fact, he is millionaire (not the exact big effect but you get ma drift).
Btw: there is nothing with being nerdy.
There is an advantage of working hard earlier toward your intellectual skills rather than social ones or not to be talkative but have ideals in your head. Those guys that studies a lot and are super knowledgeable in their special fields will end up making tons of cash later on and though cash, they can travel around the world, meeting up with many people and improve their social skills. Its just matter of blooming earlier or later.
I think that your bottom paragraph is a big misconception.
Currently in my Engineering field at University I would say it is 50% White, 30% Chinese, 10% Brown, 5% Middle east, 2% Black, and the rest something else. I don't think at this point there is one group that does better than the others academically, it all really comes down to effort, a bit of natural talent, etc.
But the issue is, the White people study more in groups, they network a lot more connections to the industry, they do more extracurricular activities like going to trips to the Oil Sands, attend meeting and seminars, and just really help themselves for the future. Asian people more often sit back, and spend A LOT of time getting their GPA high, and while that is important, there is a lot more than that. So even though on average Asian's may finish with slightly higher GPA's, and their odds of getting an Engineering job is very similar to that of a white person, you don't see very many Asian's in higher up management positions.
I think the bottom 25% of white people are a lot more problematic and less appealing than the bottom 25% of Asian people, but I think once you get to the top 10-25% of the population of white men or Asian men, I think on average the White men balance their life better to actually finish with a more successful career than Asian men even though their technical skills may be better. Again, there are many exceptions, but this is the trend I am seeing where I live anyway.
The Asians I know READS a shit tone like they would go through materials, books, novels, articles, and documents faster than any race would. In their free time, that's all they would do is to read but not exactly say much. While other people socializes and diversifies, you can only get a certain depth with talking, the Asian guys I know goes to bottom of things but they just can't exactly express them as well. In a sense, those people who have read a lot (again not only Asians) just have higher "horsepowers" for potential success.
I wasn't talking about those actually intelligent white guys but more so about those guys who are REALLY successful with women earlier on because they focus a lot on social skills but forgo actual technical knowledge. Those guys will usually get burned out by the Asian counterpart because management know their priorities for hiring.
But in the end, it all comes down to hard work. In terms of management, you don't exactly need to be managers in order to earn lots of cash. There are cases where you are so good and knowledgeable in your specialty, the companies will give you yearly figure in the millions for you to keep it up.
I think you can't make generalizations based on the ethnic makeup of a single program from a single Uni. For example there exist a large number of US Uni grad programs in engineering / science which are like <20% white.
On May 10 2014 10:03 phar wrote: I think you can't make generalizations based on the ethnic makeup of a single program from a single Uni. For example there exist a large number of US Uni grad programs in engineering / science which are like <20% white.
I am not, of course I don't have perfect information, but from my personal experiences in the past, speaking to people in the industry, seeing statistics, as well as doing some of my own research, I feel like my viewpoint has its merit.
By all means, if you have some points to bring into the discussion and have a desire to have a two hour skype discussion-debate surrounding this topic, it'd be very possible, however getting a point across about a very touchy subject on a forum, in a place where most readers have limited attention spans and many do not have a desire to (1) read everything written throughout, and (2) accept these opinions instead of getting hostile towards them. Especially from someone who can't easily provide you verifiable credentials.
Either way, this issue, if that's what you want to call it, is logical to me, it can be explained why it all occurs, and it's the result of several factors at play. I do think that the internet exaggerates these concerns however, because it's easy to make yourself the victim of something, and linking your inability to attract girls to your ethnicity is a way to achieve that. And while that argument holds merit (As I have described in my previous posts), I believe - like many others, that the root of this phenomenon is based on the life decisions of the individual rather than the skin they were born with. And in the general sense, white men make the "right" decisions with respect to winning over a partner, relative to other races of men.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
I really wish the people generalising about Asians and Asian culture in this thread would stop. It's the world's largest continent ffs.
On May 10 2014 10:17 FiWiFaKi wrote: And in the general sense, white men make the "right" decisions with respect to winning over a partner, relative to other races of men.
wow... racist much? This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while. Girls totally think about decisionmaking potential and not appearances when they click yes/no based on a picture. It couldn't have something to do with the avengers being all white (except Hulk when angry and one-eyed Nick) and the general dominance of heroic white guys as leading men in the media from disney right through to Game of Thrones.
On May 10 2014 05:03 FiWiFaKi wrote: a large percentage of Asian guys don't really care about their image very much... White girls are generally pretty wild... Many Asian men get cars really late, and are bad drivers.
Damn, I see you love making massive generalisations based off of anecdotal high school/college experiences and stereotypes. Who cares that Korean men buy a quarter of the world's men's cosmetics? They are asian and thus 'don't really care about their image.' Just shove them in with the rest of the acne-ridden asian-american yugioh players at whatever high school/uni you went to.
Many Asian Americans who grow up in the US, and specifically women, tend to wish to distance themselves from perceived Asian stereotypes by dating out of race. The desire to latch onto anything non Asian is actually much heavier than perceived "yellow fever". Hence why despite how Asians complain about yellow fever, even though many secretly enjoy the attention, you still see a higher % of Asians responding to whites rather than the other way around. There's also a significant self hate, insecurity issues among Asian Americans in the US due to how media shapes perceptions of them in the US.
This phenomena isn't nearly as strong in regions such the EU since unlike the US, since perceptions of race is a lot more honest as a dialogue. Racism obviously occurs between ethnicities but because it's not swept under the rug a la the US style, people are also more open about accepting other races.
I was born in Shanghai and consider myself, quite Chinese. Initially when encountering these situations in the US, I've always had the perception that it was Caucasian racism which causes the majority of this effect but I've long since revised my opinion. I've never found any perceived issues dating Western women, and I've only encountered ONE instance where a girl flat out said she doesn't date Asians. (and even though, we went on two outings) Similarly, aside from 50-60 year olds who obviously are still engrained with more anti yellow biases, I've never seen any negative attentions from Caucasian men when I'm with my wife. What I HAVE encountered though is several instances where Asian American males think I've somehow "made it" by being married to a Westerner (and here I did it because she was sweet, attractive and intelligent ... who knew it was the color of her skin all along!). Similarly, I receive with my wife, many sour looks from Asian women, ESPECIALLY if they are with Western men. From my experience, most Asian Americans simply struggle too much with their identity. As a result, even my Western female friends who find Asian men attractive have difficulty dating any as they prefer some pretty boy from the Mainland rather than the yellow version of a Jersey Shore cutout you find around here. Meanwhile, you see for the female counterparts, several Asian American women flinging themselves at the first Caucasian they encounter (even when these very same Caucasians are considered undesirable in the generic dating pool).
TL:DR, Asian Americans need to get their shit together if they really desire to break out of their own self inflicted racism. While ethnic barriers exist, this excuse becomes less and less valid in the modern world.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
hahahahaha
Lol @fiwifaki even here in Asia itself I've never seen people playing Yugioh-like stuff before, let alone during LUNCHTIME.... Oh wait there's some anime club or card club with people playing pokemon or something but I seldom see them around. You're either lying or there's a really high concentration of nerdy/geeky asians in your university. I can agree with your other points about the conservative parents though.
While I can agree that having a car is obviously desirable, calling every Asian a bad driver is something else. You're obviously biased.
BTW We have shitty driving here in Malaysia because of the corrupted system where people have pay a bribe for their licenses and whatever driving is taught is badly done, not due to our race/genes. Since you're talking about Asian Americans this problem doesn't affect them.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
hahahahaha
Lol @fiwifaki even here in Asia itself I've never seen people playing Yugioh-like stuff before, let alone during LUNCHTIME.... Oh wait there's some anime club or card club with people playing pokemon or something but I seldom see them around. You're either lying or there's a really high concentration of nerdy/geeky asians in your university. I can agree with your other points about the conservative parents though.
While I can agree that having a car is obviously desirable, calling every Asian a bad driver is something else. You're obviously biased.
BTW We have shitty driving here in Malaysia because of the corrupted system where people have pay a bribe for their licenses and whatever driving is taught is badly done, not due to our race/genes. Since you're talking about Asian Americans this problem doesn't affect them.
And this is the exact reason why I try to refrain myself from posting in threads unless I have a strong opinion.
Like come on, can we at least expect some posting standards from one another to not assume such preposterous things. Do you really think I am arguing that every Asian person plays yugioh at lunch, or that every Asian person is a bad driver? Oh yes, I have nothing better to do than praise the white race on teamliquid and tell all the Asian people here that they suck. Do I really need to answer that question for you to know that? Come on man, we're on teamliquid, lets hold the person we speak with to a higher regard than the rest of the internet.
Just like how young males have the higher insurance out of any demographic in Northern America doesn't mean that every young male is a bad driver, many young drivers will be better than some drivers from the best demographic of drivers, but as a whole they are considered the worst drivers.
Asian drivers are statistically not good drivers, are feel less comfortable driving. Just a little research will yield you evidence to both of those statements. And with the same logic, you see more Asian students playing card games or reading manga than the average student, that is not to say every Asian person plays Yugioh at lunch. I don't have actual evidence for this, but from what I've seen, and every single person I've ever talked to, they have agreed, and that is why and how I'm formulating my argument on this subject.
I know people don't like stereotyping, but what people need to realize is that they have their applications and uses. Statistics heavily relies on stereotyping, and putting samples into groups based on limited criteria, race is one of the ways this is done. Most forms of insurance stereotype, police officers stereotype, and in general stereotyping has it's applications. What is important to understand is when and to what extent stereotyping may be applied to yield a valid result or approximation. Due to many people being incompetent at doing this, stereotyping is seen as a bad thing to people who operate largely on emotions rather than mathematics.
Anyway, apologies for using the word Asian so much, in most of my statements I was referring to the "yellow asians", Chinese and Koreans specifically as those are two dominant Asian immigration populations here. I don't know nearly as much about Malaysians as about other Asian ethnicities, but from what I understand, I would agree with you that they are quite a bit different from the typical Asian stereotypes, hence I should have been more specific.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
hahahahaha
Lol @fiwifaki even here in Asia itself I've never seen people playing Yugioh-like stuff before, let alone during LUNCHTIME.... Oh wait there's some anime club or card club with people playing pokemon or something but I seldom see them around. You're either lying or there's a really high concentration of nerdy/geeky asians in your university. I can agree with your other points about the conservative parents though.
While I can agree that having a car is obviously desirable, calling every Asian a bad driver is something else. You're obviously biased.
BTW We have shitty driving here in Malaysia because of the corrupted system where people have pay a bribe for their licenses and whatever driving is taught is badly done, not due to our race/genes. Since you're talking about Asian Americans this problem doesn't affect them.
Driving down here in Africa is bad for the same reasons. Doesn't mean black people are genetically bad drivers either.
Heh in our private schools we only had one or two Asians in any six year period, even though there were a lot of Chinese starting up businesses here. It seemed they preferred their children raised overseas and sent over once they'd graduated to help with the family business, because you would never see their kids around. Even now 98% of the Asians I do see here are elderly or middle aged, and married to either another Asian, or in a few cases, a black woman. So I don't really have a lot of experience to go on in my home country. But when studying at uni we had a bunch of Asian guys who used to hang out with my Asian classmate and a group of Asian girls. I overheard another one of my classmates saying to him the one afternoon 'you know, you should try dating a white girl or something. What is the point in being in such a multi-cultural, multi-racial country and not even looking at other girls?' Well, now he and his Dutch wife live in China.
Anyway, that said, I agree on it being an important factor in dating if one member of the relationship at least has a car. It shows independence.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
hahahahaha
Lol @fiwifaki even here in Asia itself I've never seen people playing Yugioh-like stuff before, let alone during LUNCHTIME.... Oh wait there's some anime club or card club with people playing pokemon or something but I seldom see them around. You're either lying or there's a really high concentration of nerdy/geeky asians in your university. I can agree with your other points about the conservative parents though.
While I can agree that having a car is obviously desirable, calling every Asian a bad driver is something else. You're obviously biased.
BTW We have shitty driving here in Malaysia because of the corrupted system where people have pay a bribe for their licenses and whatever driving is taught is badly done, not due to our race/genes. Since you're talking about Asian Americans this problem doesn't affect them.
Asian drivers are statistically not good drivers, are feel less comfortable driving. Just a little research will yield you evidence to both of those statements.
Not sure how you gather they don't feel 'comfortable', but I guess you talked to some people and it matches with your own vast experience of asian drivers.
On May 10 2014 16:00 FiWiFaKi wrote: stereotyping is seen as a bad thing to people who operate largely on emotions rather than mathematics.
You talk about how important statistics and maths are yet rely on anecdotal evidence to make sweeping generalisations. My favorite being how white guys generally make better decisions and are thus more attractive to women than men of other races.
Saying you're only talking about the 'yellow asians' (wtf) doesn't make it any better. FYI Chinese and Koreans are not the same. Just because something is a stereotype doesn't mean it's true or representative of North-East asians outside of whatever state you live in. Even if once true, stereotypes are prone to being perpetuated through confirmation bias. Without numbers, they're just a basis for slander.
On May 09 2014 15:54 DonKey_ wrote: Asian women having a higher response rate to White men, rather than Asian men is a bit surprising to me. I was always under the impression Asian culture looked down heavily on interracial relationships.
In Southern California, you'll see Asian women with practically any other race BESIDE Asian men.
Where I live (Heidelberg, Germany) I only ever see Asian girls with Asian boys. That might come down more to fact that they're either tourists or international students, though.
Also, this poll shows me how oblivious I am about PCness in America and on TL,
When I said I wasn't sexually attracted to black women, TL mods tore me a new asshole for being racist. Yet it seems perfectly fine to call a predilection for Asian women 'yellow fever'. This is very confusing.
On May 10 2014 14:03 KissBlade wrote: Many Asian Americans who grow up in the US, and specifically women, tend to wish to distance themselves from perceived Asian stereotypes by dating out of race. The desire to latch onto anything non Asian is actually much heavier than perceived "yellow fever". Hence why despite how Asians complain about yellow fever, even though many secretly enjoy the attention, you still see a higher % of Asians responding to whites rather than the other way around. There's also a significant self hate, insecurity issues among Asian Americans in the US due to how media shapes perceptions of them in the US.
This phenomena isn't nearly as strong in regions such the EU since unlike the US, since perceptions of race is a lot more honest as a dialogue. Racism obviously occurs between ethnicities but because it's not swept under the rug a la the US style, people are also more open about accepting other races.
I was born in Shanghai and consider myself, quite Chinese. Initially when encountering these situations in the US, I've always had the perception that it was Caucasian racism which causes the majority of this effect but I've long since revised my opinion. I've never found any perceived issues dating Western women, and I've only encountered ONE instance where a girl flat out said she doesn't date Asians. (and even though, we went on two outings) Similarly, aside from 50-60 year olds who obviously are still engrained with more anti yellow biases, I've never seen any negative attentions from Caucasian men when I'm with my wife. What I HAVE encountered though is several instances where Asian American males think I've somehow "made it" by being married to a Westerner (and here I did it because she was sweet, attractive and intelligent ... who knew it was the color of her skin all along!). Similarly, I receive with my wife, many sour looks from Asian women, ESPECIALLY if they are with Western men. From my experience, most Asian Americans simply struggle too much with their identity. As a result, even my Western female friends who find Asian men attractive have difficulty dating any as they prefer some pretty boy from the Mainland rather than the yellow version of a Jersey Shore cutout you find around here. Meanwhile, you see for the female counterparts, several Asian American women flinging themselves at the first Caucasian they encounter (even when these very same Caucasians are considered undesirable in the generic dating pool).
TL:DR, Asian Americans need to get their shit together if they really desire to break out of their own self inflicted racism. While ethnic barriers exist, this excuse becomes less and less valid in the modern world.
I pretty much agree with this, and I think it offers a very important perspective. I also think a big part of the problem is that in actuality many Asian cultures have a great deal of racism and xenophobia themselves (despite the fact that some people like to attribute all racism to Caucasians and Western society), and a lot of this carries over to Asian-Americans without them realizing it. Immigrants come over and raise their kids in such a way that, while they do usually assimilate into American society, there are still very heavy traces of culture and opinions from the motherland that are passed down. Mix that in with American society's unhealthy obsession with identity politics and topics of race, and this tends to create something much more problematic than you might find in places such as Europe, I think.
This isn't the only source of problems of course, but I think what KissBlade wrote is something very important to consider that is often overlooked. I think many people born and raised in America tend to be ignorant of the effects that their own cultural background has on how they perceive everything, and this is definitely true for many Asian-Americans as well.
On May 10 2014 10:34 phar wrote: Your viewpoint may have merit, yes, I don't know. I'm just saying that talking about a single Uni's program doesn't help your argument at all.
I gave one example, because if I listed 10 examples, nobody would bother to read them all.
Except maybe the Asians (because they stereotypically read more) and people who read more than others. :D
hahahahaha
Lol @fiwifaki even here in Asia itself I've never seen people playing Yugioh-like stuff before, let alone during LUNCHTIME.... Oh wait there's some anime club or card club with people playing pokemon or something but I seldom see them around. You're either lying or there's a really high concentration of nerdy/geeky asians in your university. I can agree with your other points about the conservative parents though.
While I can agree that having a car is obviously desirable, calling every Asian a bad driver is something else. You're obviously biased.
BTW We have shitty driving here in Malaysia because of the corrupted system where people have pay a bribe for their licenses and whatever driving is taught is badly done, not due to our race/genes. Since you're talking about Asian Americans this problem doesn't affect them.
Do you really think I am arguing that every Asian person plays yugioh at lunch, or that every Asian person is a bad driver? Oh yes, I have nothing better to do than praise the white race on teamliquid and tell all the Asian people here that they suck.
Asian drivers are statistically not good drivers, are feel less comfortable driving. Just a little research will yield you evidence to both of those statements. And with the same logic, you see more Asian students playing card games or reading manga than the average student, that is not to say every Asian person plays Yugioh at lunch. I don't have actual evidence for this, but from what I've seen, and every single person I've ever talked to, they have agreed, and that is why and how I'm formulating my argument on this subject.
Due to many people being incompetent at doing this, stereotyping is seen as a bad thing to people who operate largely on emotions rather than mathematics.
I don't know what you think it is you're doing but if you expect people to hold you to a higher standard than the rest of the Internet, you're certainly not getting off to a good start. I think perhaps, it's better for you to take your own advice and stop posting.
Now that I reread your posts fiwifaki, I detect a definate undercurrent of very nasty racism. Like asian driver are bad wtf? You said this twice now, and it's just an american meme. It really isn't funny, the same way that saying black people are xyz.
Fiwi is simply theorycrafting rather than actually doing any research. Even when he is not being racist in a really mean spirited way, the way he describes Asian women is what my sister described as being "really creepy." His posts on gays are also pretty similar as well.
I donno man, it seems really mean spirited to say that asian drivers are bad over and over again. I mean, I never heard of such a wierd thing and I went and looked it up on the internet and found a bunch of very racist images. Like insert any other race instead of asian and you'll see what I mean. There is no evidence or general acknowledge of such, it just appears to be a way of insulting people based on their eyes.
To be honest Id like to call this study bullshit but its kind of true in my experience. Asians girls (the ones who speak german) tend to go for white guys around here and most girls I have talked to consider asian men the least attractive (Germany). Although I once met the most gorgeous german girl who only liked asian men so... Who cares.
This doesn't really take into account that people who visit an international dating site like facebooks are probably more interested in other races. People searching for a partner from their own race are probably using local dating sites.
On May 10 2014 23:32 Yuljan wrote: To be honest Id like to call this study bullshit but its kind of true in my experience. Asians girls (the ones who speak german) tend to go for white guys around here and most girls I have talked to consider asian men the least attractive (Germany). Although I once met the most gorgeous german girl who only liked asian men so... Who cares.
I love how anything with graphs and numbers passes as "a study".
On May 10 2014 23:32 Yuljan wrote: To be honest Id like to call this study bullshit but its kind of true in my experience. Asians girls (the ones who speak german) tend to go for white guys around here and most girls I have talked to consider asian men the least attractive (Germany). Although I once met the most gorgeous german girl who only liked asian men so... Who cares.
Immigrant populace in general tend to be less attractive. When you have a few dollars in your pocket, you generally do not prioritize your appearance.
That's why threads like "Reach is so manly", "Yellow so handsome", etc pop up even though they're actually quite average Asians.
That being said, I really question the necessity of this thread as it's unlikely people try to get in these threads to be informed.
On May 10 2014 23:32 Yuljan wrote: To be honest Id like to call this study bullshit but its kind of true in my experience. Asians girls (the ones who speak german) tend to go for white guys around here and most girls I have talked to consider asian men the least attractive (Germany). Although I once met the most gorgeous german girl who only liked asian men so... Who cares.
I love how anything with graphs and numbers passes as "a study".
It's not even a self claimed study, people taking graphs and numbers and trying to say it's a study but it's not. A study would have a question it's trying to answer and presenting a method to find a possible answer then draw up conclusions. This is just data. :D
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