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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
Unless you do these studies with samples from each county, you are going to end up with skewed data. Also, is this stuff published and peer reviewed? A lot of things can go wrong in the preparation and presentation of the data. For example, are the n for each group the same? Are the results statistically significant? Which statistical tests did they use? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 09 2014 15:29 EvilTeletubby wrote: Still amazed at how small the numbers in the first graph are. I think more than anything else, this just says that people on the internet have become exceptionally picky.  I think a lot of people make accounts and then leave them up for no reason even if they find someone. I've seen the Okcupid data but the refresher and new data is nice. On May 09 2014 19:39 urboss wrote: Not only that, as far as I know, most AYI users are from the US. Unless you do these studies with samples from each county, you are going to end up with skewed data. Also, is this stuff published and peer reviewed? A lot of things can go wrong in the preparation and presentation of the data. For example, are the n for each group the same? Are the results statistically significant? Which statistical tests did they use? I wouldn't call it skewed data. Doesn't skew have to denote bias at an extreme? As long as we're aware that the study took place in the US we can't generalize it outside the US. The rest are good points. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
Because then they are not looking at Asians and Blacks. They are looking at Asian Americans and African Americans. This is an important distinction! In a society where White men are usually the ones that are wealthy and powerful, it is no big surprise that women will prefer White men. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
I can think of two possible explanations. One is physical; I find that Asian men, in general, don't look nearly as masculine as men from other races- if you've ever come across pictures of men crossdressing, White men look like this + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6I27LgG9bck/SQwLtQOWPoI/AAAAAAAAA-g/wjrQ4nmDXZ0/s400/bearded_cosplay02.jpg) Whereas Asian men can be undistinguishable from Asian women- case in point, Backho: + Show Spoiler + The other possibility is that academic achievement doesn't translate so well into success later in life, and White men are considered the most successful group overall. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
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o29
United States220 Posts
On May 09 2014 19:16 HwangjaeTerran wrote: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201206/eternal-curves In light of this article I'd say the results are hardly surprising when it comes to the preferences of men. Interesting article, but some of the evolutionary psychology discussion dips heavily into theory stated as fact, as it usually does. So it's a good read, but it's probably also reaching a bit. Edit: I tried to find other academic publications by the authors and couldn't find anything. It appears that none of them have a phd or anything. Meh. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 09 2014 20:48 urboss wrote: If this is US centric, then they have to present it as such. Because then they are not looking at Asians and Blacks. They are looking at Asian Americans and African Americans. This is an important distinction! In a society where White men are usually the ones that are wealthy and powerful, it is no big surprise that women will prefer White men. It's a topic about race of course it's US centric, but okcupid mostly US the only other substantial traffic comes from the UK and Canada, the US the pretty much the only place where race can be discussed without people being taken aback. Similar to how awkward americans get if you talk about sex. I mean i'm willing to be you're not from the US and you took offense that racial bias in dating preference could correlate to you, which lead you to make sure you could distance it from yourself. AYI i'm gussing is similar with mostly a presence in the US http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ayi.com wouldn't have guessed how popular it is apparently in south africa. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/okcupid.com okcupid That being said it be hard to find good data outside of dating websites, to get any data about dating preferences instead of just well racial perceptions in general. Any academic study esp done outside the US is likely to get weirdly obtuse like talking marriage data. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On May 10 2014 01:55 semantics wrote: It's a topic about race of course it's US centric, but okcupid mostly US the only other substantial traffic comes from the UK and Canada, the US the pretty much the only place where race can be discussed without people being taken aback. Similar to how awkward americans get if you talk about sex. I mean i'm willing to be you're not from the US and you took offense that racial bias in dating preference could correlate to you, which lead you to make sure you could distance it from yourself... Wow, you're good at making assumptions about people. I'm White and I prefer Asians, so I couldn't be happier with the result of the study. The study is bullshit for the aforementioned reasons: - No presentation of the methods used for data collection - Samples taken from a White majority - No statistical analysis whatsoever These things are tricky to get right. And unless standard scientific practices are in place, discussing things like this study is just a big waste of time! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15664 Posts
I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 09 2014 23:01 lilopuppy wrote: Ouch... I don't understand the graphs though. The 1st one is just the rate at which people hit Yes on a dating app, a high volume one that matches you mostly based on location to each other. The other two are read as On the left you have the gender and race of the person sending a message on the top you have the recipient to the message. Where they intersect is how often a sender of race x on the left got a reply back from race y on the top. The numbers on the perimeter is a weighted average basically, basically the avg some group seeks a response and gets it(right side) or the avg some group responds(bottom). The avg is weighted as each racial group aren't equally sending to every other group. The colors is indicating stronger or weaker response to the avg of all groups. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 10 2014 03:02 Chocolate wrote: Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However: We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc. Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress. Height in males is nearly universally attractive. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 10 2014 02:41 Mothra wrote: Who could this information possibly be of benefit to? Wait I know, $$$$$Advertisers$$$$$ Divide and conquer, divide and conquer. Well also as a dating website crunching big clumps of data is pretty much 90% of what they do. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On May 09 2014 15:19 phosphorylation wrote: if the world became globalized when the asian culture was dominant (instead of this alternate universe, though, we have a situation where most of the world is becoming assimilated into the western meta-narrative), you could bet that things would be bit different. Yes, this. The world beauty standard is overwhelmingly european. Asian women practically MUST get plastic surgery if they want to be in any industry involving beauty. African American women straighten their hair to make it look european. Pale skin is considered attractive in almost every culture (but it has been this way for a long time). However: On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive? I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present. We must consider that perhaps Europeans simply are the most attractive because they possess traits that we instinctually consider to be attractive at a higher rate, like variant hair and eye color, proportionate breasts, masculine facial structure, etc. Genetics are not fair, and not everybody is equally beautiful. Thankfully attractiveness has not become a PC-ized third rail like some other heritable traits, but I digress. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On May 10 2014 02:26 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see the issue or why people get upset over this stuff. Why do all races need to just end up being equally attractive? If we can easily conclude that physiological differences are present, whether it may facial structure, skin color, etc, why would this not translate into one race being statistically the most attractive and another race the least attractive? I can't help but feel like some people are so obsessed with the idea of equality that they don't recognize physical differences are clearly present. I think people are more upset about the study regarding itself as something that applies worldwide while it is very US-centric and its scientific base nonexistent. Research like this is good for tabloids, nothing more, nothing less. I think that marketing has a lot to do with the current beauty ideals With K-pop and J-pop (i.e. cute looking, innocent girls) being increasingly marketed towards a young male caucasian audience, it is hardly surprising that they find themselves increasingly attracted to Asian girls. Conversely, most male models tend to be caucasian, while Asian men are usually regarded as being very good students, but overal not as attractive as the caucasian sports models. However, attraction and regarding someone as a potential mate are still two different things. Top models are often attractive, but their lack of 'mental capacity' (to put it politely) is a turnoff to a lot of men. Hence we will just see them as lust objects, not necessarily as something we will base our choice of mate on. We will fantasise having a one night stand with them, but rarely will we think that marrying them is a good idea. people can be attracted to Asians, Africans, Caucasians or whatever, if they meet someone who is not that primary type of people they are attracted to, but is very compatible with you, chances are they are going to date that person. | ||
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Silvana
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