How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? Will democracies prevail? Will there be a new world power?
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
How will we be communicating with each other? Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? Will people still be having a social life in the real world? What are people going to do in their spare time?
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Is the music going to sound different? Will YouTube beat television? How might future games look like?
Will there be a robot in every household? Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards?
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Is everyone going to have chip implants? Will computers become more powerful? Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
How will the Internet look like? Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Will governments take over the Internet?
Will there be new ways of transportation? Will the electric car take over the traditional car?
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Will there be wars at all?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences?
What will be the new threats to mankind? Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050?
Please present your own vision of the future! The questions are only here to give suggestions as to where the discussion might lead to. You can answer some of these questions, or go more into detail on single questions, or just ignore the questions entirely!
So, how do you think the year 2050 will look like? What will be vanished, that is common nowadays? What will be important changes that will affect our lives? What do you wish there would exist by 2050?
How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? Will democracies prevail? Will there be a new world power?
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
How will we be communicating with each other? Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? Will people still be having a social life in the real world? What are people going to do in their spare time?
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Is the music going to sound different? Will YouTube beat television? How might future games look like?
Will there be a robot in every household? Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards?
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Is everyone going to have chip implants? Will computers become more powerful? Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
How will the Internet look like? Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Will governments take over the Internet?
Will there be new ways of transportation? Will the electric car take over the traditional car?
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Will there be wars at all?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences?
What will be the new threats to mankind? Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050?
Wars, No, China,
Yes, Almost,
Like we do now, No, Yes, Sports/eSports/Dating/Hobby's,
Yes, Yes, Yes, Better, augmented reality/3D all the way,
No, No,
No, Yes, No No, No, Yes,
Regulated, No, Yes,
Yes, Yes,
Yes, Yes,
No, Yes, Just like now, Yes,
3 Times, Yes, Yes, Yes,
No, Define "breakthrought" and "Sciences",
Starvation; Infection, We'll get close.
Your questions are all closed and you provide way to little (or way to much) information for discussion, in my opinion. It'd be a better OP if you would sketch your own vision on the world in 35 years, that'd provide the opportunity to discuss to your readers.
The questions are not there to be answered individually. They are just there to give suggestions for the discussion! The actual question is quite clear: What is your own vision of the future?
I hope for realtime photon mapping and flying cars. Also hopefully people will be more united across the world and we can begin to look at space colonization.
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? Will democracies prevail? Will there be a new world power?
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
How will we be communicating with each other? Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? Will people still be having a social life in the real world? What are people going to do in their spare time?
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Is the music going to sound different? Will YouTube beat television? How might future games look like?
Will there be a robot in every household? Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards?
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Is everyone going to have chip implants? Will computers become more powerful? Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
How will the Internet look like? Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Will governments take over the Internet?
Will there be new ways of transportation? Will the electric car take over the traditional car?
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Will there be wars at all?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences?
What will be the new threats to mankind? Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050?
Yes, Crimea looks like it's just about the burst over political issues, and not civil issues. Yes, but not Capitalist democracy; but socialist. No, but China might share the world power with US.
No, global warming is natural according to new theories and overpopulation is starting to decline. Yes.
Telepathically. Yes No Fap. or Starcraft 4
No, art and entertainment are redundant. Yes, going to sound worse. Dubshit is the prime example It already has. A lot less skilled than SC2 because people are becoming little wimpy ass bitches.
No, you're thinking of 2500 Not cook for you, probably clean.
Yes. No. Yes. Yes.
Internet will be something we can actually physically visit. Yes, homeless-ness will always exist in a modern society. No.
Yes. No, 2500 again.
Nuclear launch detected. No, if there was, the world would end.
Women and men will never be equal, but neither is inferior to the other. Yes, got to have some physical connection. Primarily online dating, but mostly work places. Even more sex.
How many times will we keep bailing out the fat cats? Yes, socialism. Yes, but much less incentive to get a decent job. Of course.
No, how else is the medicine industry going to make money? Not when socialism prevails. No private industry = government controlled innovations. Politics =/= Innovation.
Sharknado. No, for the last time you're thinking about 2500.
How does SC2Toastie think the world will look like in 2050?
Government Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? + Show Spoiler +
We'll see more wars regarding resources like oil, gas and food. I hope, nearing 2050, we'll have a solution for these problems. As for the fuel type resources, I think solar and water energy can provide the answer on a reasonable term. As for food, with current population growth, we'd need to either have a massive viral outbreak, great wars or way more efficient production and birth legislation.
Democracy in the dutch way (with 23 parties) will not prevail. We'd either go to low count parlemental democracies or towards a model in which companies and/or a select group of representatives will make the law.
I think China and India will overtake the US and EU front with better access to resources and faster (economic) growth.
Environment Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? + Show Spoiler +
Global Warming, hardly. Overpopulation, yes. Food will run low, fuel will run low and the risk of infection/diseases will increase.
Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? + Show Spoiler +
Yes, I think we will, mostly because fossil fuels will be about to run out by now.
Social Life How will we be communicating with each other? + Show Spoiler +
I don't think a lot will chance in face to face communication.
Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? + Show Spoiler +
No. I don't think so. You already see the popularity of Facebook slightly decreasing as more and more adults chase their kids off it by going 'with their times'. Twitter might in some form stay around.
Will people still be having a social life in the real world? + Show Spoiler +
Yes, probably quite close to how it currently is.
What are people going to do in their spare time? + Show Spoiler +
The same things they do now. Go out, date, sports, gaming, etcetera.
Entertainment Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? + Show Spoiler +
New forms of entertainment, art and culture are always emerging, so yes.
Robotics Will there be a robot in every household? + Show Spoiler +
Define robot. A dishwasher etc. are already sort of doing that, If you are talking about the human like programmable robot, it might be possible, but I think it'd be unaffordable.
Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? + Show Spoiler +
These already exist in some way, but again, as for the metal man walking after you all day, nope.
Technology Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? + Show Spoiler +
I think everything will end up being more integrated than it is now/
yes, sadly. Complete equality (especially as per the communist model) is impossible.
Sciences Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? + Show Spoiler +
Probably not, unless gen therapy gets that far.
Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? + Show Spoiler +
To vague a questions.
Outer Space What will be the new threats to mankind? + Show Spoiler +
As for aliens, I don't think so. They might be, but probably not. Our biggest weakness will be diseases that evolve fast, because we'll live closer together than ever.
Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? + Show Spoiler +
Whether it'd be possible, I think yes. Practical? No.
Lastly, I want to propose some more questions. - Will the European Union last? - Will blocks of power be formed, think Americas vs Europe vs Russia vs SEAsia vs Africa? - What will AFricas place in the world be? - What will happen to Antarctica (either melted or still frozen, inhabited?) - Education, do we still go to school in 2050?
On May 06 2014 22:21 urboss wrote: The questions are not there to be answered individually. They are just there to give suggestions for the discussion! The actual question is quite clear: What is your own vision of the future?
I have answered some of these questions which I found interesting. I think it can be a very good discussion if kept civil.
Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? The main problem with renewables is availability and therefore the storage of the electric energy created with these. Take solar energy for example which is completely renewable in the time period of the humans. Most of the electricity usage is at morning when the sun is rising or at late afternoon/night when it descends but the sun at its top power output at midday when there is drop in energy usage. But the electric energy can’t be stored efficiently nowadays so it must be used right away so it is not really efficient to store the energy created midday until dusk when its needed. In my opinion the long term solution is nuclear energy (fusion). Nuclear power plants can be the backbone of energy supply in 2050. They are available 24/7 and with the addition of gasturbine plants the peaks in the morning and at dusk can be supplied
Will people still be having a social life in the real world? I really hope so. It would be a really dark future without social life.
Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? As a mechanical engineer I am working on it :D
Is everyone going to have chip implants? I think this question has some ethics behind it. It really depends on what kind of implants are these going to be.
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? I think there will be definitely new art forms. Just looking back in the past 30 years: video games appeared, became a new form of art and entertainment and the public acceptance has grown a lot since most people play some games on phones or on Facebook.
Will there still be poverty? Seeing the trend nowadays as rich people are getting richer and poverty grows constantly I can only assume a constantly growing gap between poor and rich. The mid level will disappear mostly.
Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? Not without a second cold war to fasten the development of space exploration. Military is the one main causes of scientifical advancement and in the past 20-30 years without the threat of the USSR every space program has gone low. But I certainly hope that it won’t happen and the private sector will fund space projects thus a peaceful way of space exploration might begin. The closest possibility for colonization is definitely Mars but it is just too far to travel between Mars colonies and Earth regularly. On the other hand I think there will be small colonies or at least a small research station which is constantly manned on the Moon by 2050.
Will there still be sex? If I still live I will do it, even if I have to take some medical aid. :D
Will the electric car take over the traditional car? This question boils down to electric energy storage just like the first one about the renewables. If we can find an efficient way to do it I think they will become mainstream.
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? There will be storage wars. Will democracies prevail? Only if we have the courage to drop bombs and launch missiles from unmanned aircraft Will there be a new world power? Mozambique will rise to be the world's largest superpower by 2050, and will annex French Canada
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? No because we will solve both problems by getting all the stupid people to all walk into a room by telling them they will get free lottery tickets, then convert them into renewable energy Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? See above How will we be communicating with each other? Italians will still communicate primarily through hand gestures, but we will definitely all be psychics Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? As long as there is a Biz Stone, there will be some stupid social networking thing Will people still be having a social life in the real world? You mean outside their matrix pod? no, there are only machines out there What are people going to do in their spare time? Jerk off a lot Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Yeah, there will be a new genre of music which is just a bunch of random static, slamming, screaming, electronic beeps and just completely random shit, and we won't "get it", cuz we're old, but the kids will insist it's really fucking cool and we'll be like "Back in our day, we had REAL artists like Miley Cyrus" Is the music going to sound different? See above Will YouTube beat television? Youtube will be replaced by a new video-hosting site called 28chan How might future games look like? They will be interactive movies that play by themselves, but you can manipulate shit, like anything you want. You can even make the main character slip on an orange and die in the middle of the movie. There will also be a button you can press that says "win", and when you push it, you win
Will there be a robot in every household? Ain't no robot coming into my household, get that metal freak outta my house, Stephanie... you should be dating a human, not some talking hunk of trash. Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? That's pretty much my primary function at the moment beep boop bop beep
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? We're going to have new surgical tools that can insert stuff right through your skin into your body, because like your skin just opens and the thing goes in, and then it closes up instantly, so we'll definitely have microchips in our anus Is everyone going to have chip implants? Only those who bear the mark of the beast Will computers become more powerful? They will form a minor political party, but it will still be outnumbered by the Alexjonesacrat Party and the Euthanasia Party. Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? Moore's law will be replaced by Patrick's Law, which states that microchips will get bigger and bigger exponentially, instead of smaller, until they are megachips that stand 9,000 meters tall. How will the Internet look like? Kind of like now, except more creepy weirdos from third-world countries will be able to go online and troll us hard. Will it still be possible to live completely offline? It won't be after the great power-outage of 2056 Will governments take over the Internet? They will try, and then the internet will take over the governments instead.
Will there be new ways of transportation? Most people will ride cloned white tigers around town, but for longer journeys we will just teleport, especially right before the trainer can use a pokeball Will the electric car take over the traditional car? No, we'll have a car that runs on coal, and one that runs by burning wood, and there will also be one that runs entirely on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? All wars will be fought on the internet, where the sides try to shut down each other's power grids and stuff Will there be wars at all? Of course there will be, don't be silly
Will women reach equality? Nah, the white males won't put up with that shit Will we still be dating in the real world? Oh definitely not... "dating" will be seen as some old-ass bullshit that people used to do as part of some weird social tradition, but will be discarded as a waste of time How will partners find each other? There will be an app that gets you sex within 12 hours, guaranteed. I'm not joking Will there still be sex? There will be so much sex
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Probably around 10-15 times Will there be a major change in our economic system? Yeah, it will be fucked and there will be mass poverty and packs of wild dogs in the streets Will the majority of people still be working? Work is for robots Will there still be poverty? Yeah, because a majority of people can't be more well off than everyone else if they are a majority because that makes no sense. So there will also be people who are D- noobs (figuratively speaking) and are just worse off than everyone else, and can't even afford a chicken on Christmas for Tiny Tim Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? lol no, the side effects are the best part Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? In all of the sciences, there will be like 8 breakthroughs and also cats will be able to talk
What will be the new threats to mankind? The biggest threat will be that a single hacker could bring down all the world's economies and turn off all the power grids within a matter of seconds by decoding the encryption codes and haxing the world Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? No, we'll still be stuck on Earth because we're too lazy to go outside and get some fresh pure sunlight. PURE sunlight, with gamma rays and everything.
For all those who think robots (movie-like robots) are impossible by 2050, I must say, your world moves pretty slowly ;D Advancing in AI and robotics isn't the same as colonizing other planets (that was specifically in response to Advantageous, who placed both circa 2500).
Putting a man RIGHT now can easily be done. We already have all the necessary tools and science advancement to do so. Much like MANY of our diseases are 'cured' already. But the institution are either hiding the tech or they are in the process of testing them accordingly in order to be 100% sure that everything is foolproof. And that will probably take a couple of years and plus to get government's permit takes a long time to process as well.
I think we'll be lucky? to make it to 2050 before something sets off a global conflict that sets most of humanity back to feudal times.
Of course the longer we go before it happens the crazier and more devastating the war is likely to be... Think the before and after of war and the machine gun.
But provided we make it we are going to need even bigger cassettes!?
Sony has just announced a new record-breaking tape, capable of storing up to 185TB on one cartridge--74 times more than current tapes.
The only reason we got men on the moon was because it was politically motivated. After that, interest vaded and NASA is now operating at a fraction of the budget they had available during the space race. Putting men on the moon was a ridiculously complicated and costly operation. If you'd ask NASA to put a man on the moon right now, they wouldn't be able to do it.
A journey to Mars would take something like half a year right now, so we are gonna need better rocketry first. Apparently the goal of SpaceX is to reduce the fly time to one month before attempting it.
On May 07 2014 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote: I think we'll be lucky? to make it to 2050 before something sets off a global conflict that sets most of humanity back to feudal times.
Of course the longer we go before it happens the crazier and more devastating the war is likely to be... Think the before and after of war and the machine gun.
But provided we make it we are going to need even bigger cassettes!?
I think the humanity would abide by Maslow's levels of need before doing anything drastic. I don't think any nuclear weapons would be used in a war unless one nation's cruelty exceed a threshold. Yes people are greedy and selfish in the end, we prioritize our survivability as a SPECIES before anything else.
On May 07 2014 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote: I think we'll be lucky? to make it to 2050 before something sets off a global conflict that sets most of humanity back to feudal times.
Of course the longer we go before it happens the crazier and more devastating the war is likely to be... Think the before and after of war and the machine gun.
But provided we make it we are going to need even bigger cassettes!?
Sony has just announced a new record-breaking tape, capable of storing up to 185TB on one cartridge--74 times more than current tapes.
I think the humanity would abide by Maslow's levels of need before doing anything drastic. I don't think any nuclear weapons would be used in a war unless one nation's cruelty exceed a threshold. Yes people are greedy and selfish in the end, we prioritize our survivability as a SPECIES before anything else.
Feudal society is several levels above survival. We could knock ourselves all the way back to tribal groups and still survive.
The way some people are talking about 'small tactical nuclear weapons' I'm not so sure we'll avoid them altogether but if we made it through the Cuban Missile crisis I think we can at least make it to 2050 without setting off the big ones.
One thing that interests me is how data transfer over the internet and in-person will change to keep up with an ever increasing demand on bandwidth.
Or is there some breakthrough on the horizon in data compression/optimization that will help maximize available bandwidth?
By the year 2050, There will be more children and more adults who are literate than not. There will be more children enrolled in basic K-12 education than any other point in history. There will be more adults with a college education than any other point in history. There will be an exponentially higher standard and quality of learning. There will be more opportunities for education for all children from all walks of life than any other point in history.
There will be 6 generations of people, 5 of whom have all interacted or have been affected by technology. 1 generation kept alive by technology.
There will be an entire generation of world leaders, parents, grandparents, laborers, technicians, teachers, CEOs, businessmen, pastors, etc. who (for the majority) have not been involved in an armed conflict or a major war.
I truly believe if we make it to this point, we'll all be okay.
As much as I Iike musk, I'm pretty sure his timetables are about a couple decades off of his own reckonings, and he's several additional decades ahead of everybody else.
Regarding men on mars tho, I think getting there is very feasible looking at immediate tech, but we have a long way to go in bringing them back. And I doubt we will be sending someone there to die.
On May 07 2014 02:20 Gamegene wrote: By the year 2050, There will be more children and more adults who are literate than not. There will be more children enrolled in basic K-12 education than any other point in history. There will be more adults with a college education than any other point in history. There will be an exponentially higher standard and quality of learning. There will be more opportunities for education for all children from all walks of life than any other point in history.
There will be 6 generations of people, 5 of whom have all interacted or have been affected by technology. 1 generation kept alive by technology.
There will be an entire generation of world leaders, parents, grandparents, laborers, technicians, teachers, CEOs, businessmen, pastors, etc. who (for the majority) have not been involved in an armed conflict or a major war.
I truly believe if we make it to this point, we'll all be okay.
Thanks for giving me some hope. Hooray for the circle of life!!
Sucks I'll pretty much be in the generation being kept alive by technology but if it doesn't turn out well at least I'll have gotten mine in
Will the world drift toward peace? No Will democracies prevail? No way Will there be a new world power? Not new, because China is already one Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? They are already showing them Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? No Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? No Will people still be having a social life in the real world? Yes Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Yes Is the music going to sound different? Yes Will YouTube beat television? Yes Will there be a robot in every household? In civilized world (I don't want to say Western, 'cause maybe West won't be civilized anymore) Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? Yes Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? No Is everyone going to have chip implants? Nearly everyone Will computers become more powerful? Yes Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? No Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Not legally Will governments take over the Internet? Yes Will there be new ways of transportation? Yes Will the electric car take over the traditional car? Yes Will there be wars at all? Yes Will women reach equality? They have reached it quite some time ago and the tables have turned since Will we still be dating in the real world? Not in the traditional sense and not even in current sense. It's going to get purely transactional Will there still be sex? Yes Will there be a major change in our economic system? Depends on what is major change... but probably nah Will the majority of people still be working? Yes Will there still be poverty? Yes Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? No Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? Again, depends on the definition... not major in a sense like electricity or steam I think Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? Yes. Will we do it a lot? No.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
The answer for both of these is yes in 2014, for some regions. If you take into account the negative health effects of coal it's already uncompetitive with wind and solar power. Natural gas is uncompetitive or barely competitive in regions that aren't big producers (e.g, Europe, Japan or China). My prediction is that in 10 years more than half of NEW energy generating capacity around the world will be renewable.
Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
Moore's law has not been true for at least 5 years. Maybe it will be true again in a different form, but only in a very different world.
Will governments take over the Internet?
I think it's fair to say they already have. In some sense they always controlled the infrastructure and had the power to pull the plug if they really wanted. Maybe it will be harder in the future because so much critical stuff depends on the internet.
Will there still be sex?
This is my only real prediction and I'm gonna go with yes.
Guys, guys, like the OP said, the question list is just a guideline to spark discussion. If you just list your answers to each individual question, no one is going to read it.
On May 07 2014 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote: I think we'll be lucky? to make it to 2050 before something sets off a global conflict that sets most of humanity back to feudal times.
Of course the longer we go before it happens the crazier and more devastating the war is likely to be... Think the before and after of war and the machine gun.
But provided we make it we are going to need even bigger cassettes!?
Sony has just announced a new record-breaking tape, capable of storing up to 185TB on one cartridge--74 times more than current tapes.
I think the humanity would abide by Maslow's levels of need before doing anything drastic. I don't think any nuclear weapons would be used in a war unless one nation's cruelty exceed a threshold. Yes people are greedy and selfish in the end, we prioritize our survivability as a SPECIES before anything else.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Maslow reference. You're stating that a war would not be fought without all other tiers of Maslow's hierarchy being met? Because a lot of the past wars are related to issues in the very bottom tiers of his hierarchy.
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? No major but shit load of small ones. Will democracies prevail? Democracy dont exist for some time now,if it ever existed. Will there be a new world power? India,possibly south american union (if they dont start wars among themselves,which is more possible.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? For sure. Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? No.
How will we be communicating with each other? Similar as today only more advanced. Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? I hope not. Will people still be having a social life in the real world? Yes. What are people going to do in their spare time? Same as now.
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Yes,but there will be recycling of old ones. Is the music going to sound different? Not too much. Will YouTube beat television? Yes. How might future games look like? 3D
Will there be a robot in every household? Probably but not too advanced. Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? Clean but not cook.
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Yes,more advanced. Is everyone going to have chip implants? No. Will computers become more powerful? ... Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? dunno whats that
How will the Internet look like? 90% porn Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Only in africa Will governments take over the Internet? Not successfully
Will there be new ways of transportation? No Will the electric car take over the traditional car? Yes
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Bio warfare Will there be wars at all? Shit load
Will women reach equality? Yes Will we still be dating in the real world? Yes How will partners find each other? 70% internet Will there still be sex? Fuck yea
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? 2 Will there be a major change in our economic system? yes Will the majority of people still be working? they will work more Will there still be poverty? there will be more !
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? no Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? yes
What will be the new threats to mankind? Corporations and Kardashians Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? no
I cant believe all these people saying that major wars are already a thing of the past.
If you look at Eastern Europe, they're pretty readily denying multiculturalism and progressivism, and Fascism is on the rise again, while the West is all about liberalism and socialism. It might end up as a Cold War, but there's definitely two big ideologies building up, and they could totally start shooting each other sometime between now and 2050.
On May 07 2014 08:13 Millitron wrote: I cant believe all these people saying that major wars are already a thing of the past.
If you look at Eastern Europe, they're pretty readily denying multiculturalism and progressivism, and Fascism is on the rise again, while the West is all about liberalism and socialism. It might end up as a Cold War, but there's definitely two big ideologies building up, and they could totally start shooting each other sometime between now and 2050.
Way to bring me right back down milli... I think the cold war part is more or less already underway. It's just the actual armament building is still rather covert. Of course we and other governments know it, we just don't like to talk about it much.
In February, IT security consultancy Mandiant said it had traced hacking activity to the People's Liberation Army's Unit 61398, which it said had "systematically stolen hundreds of terabytes of data from at least 141 organizations."
We can look forward to a lot more of that. Considering how loosely 'use of force' is authorized in retaliation to cyber attacks it's probably just a matter of time before an event like that triggers a traditional force response.
Or until a country like Iran uses something like the 'Stuxnet" attack to justify a traditional force/terrorist response.
THIS thread is awesome, its kinda about the singularity in an abstract way. i think mankind if on some sort of cultural breakthrough and could drastically change itself over the next couple of decades. i really like the idea behind this thread, because it kinda asks us to challenge ourselves about what we think and what we should enact, seeing as how everyone who is under like 50 might make it to that age.
Nation states will have been superseded by mega corporations. General elections will have been replaced by General Meetings of shareholders. The vast majority will have zero political power. Wars will be fought between corporations over patents and access to markets as well as resources. Crime rates in non ghetto areas will be very low on account of automated security robots and complete 24/7 surveillance of every person below a certain wealth level.
Not all bad though, scientists will still be wanted ^^
I hope countries become a thing of the past in my lifetime but I don't see it happening. I think there will likely by corporations that run everything more than now but I think most of the west will have transitioned to a welfare state. We will have not reached post-scarcity in the west but I imagine there will be less scarcity. I think the work week will decline probably to around 30 hours a week by 2050. Wars will still exist but I don't think there will be a big one because of mutually assured destruction. I also think that the majority of the west at this point will be atheist or at least agnostic and the East vs West cultural battle will have shifted to secularism vs Islam which I think might lead to more tension than what even exists now. I think science will have improved and heart disease will decline and various types of cancer will be cured. Antibiotic resistant super bacteria will be the new thing and we might usher in a new phase where infectious disease resurpasses chronic disease as the number one killer in the West, probably not but its a possibility worth thinking about.
We will soon be able to meet and exceed the basic needs of every man, woman and child on the planet. Abundance for all is within our grasp. This bold, contrarian view, backed up by exhaustive research, introduces our near-term future, where exponentially growing technologies and three other powerful forces are conspiring to better the lives of billions. An antidote to pessimism by tech entrepreneur turned philanthropist, Peter H. Diamandis and award-winning science writer Steven Kotler.
Since the dawn of humanity, a privileged few have lived in stark contrast to the hardscrabble majority. Conventional wisdom says this gap cannot be closed. But it is closing—fast. The authors document how four forces—exponential technologies, the DIY innovator, the Technophilanthropist, and the Rising Billion—are conspiring to solve our biggest problems. Abundance establishes hard targets for change and lays out a strategic roadmap for governments, industry and entrepreneurs, giving us plenty of reason for optimism.
Examining human need by category—water, food, energy, healthcare, education, freedom—Diamandis and Kotler introduce dozens of innovators making great strides in each area: Larry Page, Steven Hawking, Dean Kamen, Daniel Kahneman, Elon Musk, Bill Joy, Stewart Brand, Jeff Skoll, Ray Kurzweil, Ratan Tata, Craig Venter, among many, many others.
He argues that there are many types of technologies being developed atm that will solve a lot of the current problems we're facing. Think about the problem of horse manure in cities that was solved with cars. So far I've read about how nanotechnology can be used to filter bacteria, virus and arsenic from water to provide clean water cheaply, reducing health problems and deaths, increasing productivity, and decreasing fertility rates (since there's a correlation between health and fertility rates).
Vertical farming (growing food in buildings) increasing yield per hectare and reducing transportation costs (since we can grow plants nearer cities)
We will soon be able to meet and exceed the basic needs of every man, woman and child on the planet. Abundance for all is within our grasp. This bold, contrarian view, backed up by exhaustive research, introduces our near-term future, where exponentially growing technologies and three other powerful forces are conspiring to better the lives of billions. An antidote to pessimism by tech entrepreneur turned philanthropist, Peter H. Diamandis and award-winning science writer Steven Kotler.
Since the dawn of humanity, a privileged few have lived in stark contrast to the hardscrabble majority. Conventional wisdom says this gap cannot be closed. But it is closing—fast. The authors document how four forces—exponential technologies, the DIY innovator, the Technophilanthropist, and the Rising Billion—are conspiring to solve our biggest problems. Abundance establishes hard targets for change and lays out a strategic roadmap for governments, industry and entrepreneurs, giving us plenty of reason for optimism.
Examining human need by category—water, food, energy, healthcare, education, freedom—Diamandis and Kotler introduce dozens of innovators making great strides in each area: Larry Page, Steven Hawking, Dean Kamen, Daniel Kahneman, Elon Musk, Bill Joy, Stewart Brand, Jeff Skoll, Ray Kurzweil, Ratan Tata, Craig Venter, among many, many others.
He argues that there are many types of technologies being developed atm that will solve a lot of the current problems we're facing. Think about the problem of horse manure in cities that was solved with cars. So far I've read about how nanotechnology can be used to filter bacteria, virus and arsenic from water to provide clean water cheaply, reducing health problems and deaths, increasing productivity, and decreasing fertility rates (since there's a correlation between health and fertility rates).
Vertical farming (growing food in buildings) increasing yield per hectare and reducing transportation costs (since we can grow plants nearer cities)
Answering from a western / central European perspective:
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
Women will most likely not reach complete equality (maybe never), however we can expect things to progress further. The differences will most likely be measurable only in jobs in terms of pay and the type of employment women are found in. However I do believe the effect will be significantly less than it is today. Dating will look similar to what it does today, but will be significantly aided by technology. Think of dating algorithms performing in real time during a conversation happens. You might have a wearable device that answers "should I kiss her?" for you as the conversation happens. Software will tell you another person is a likely match just from sensory data and analyzing conversation. There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. You could argue that there will be more poverty in the future going simply by percentile of income, however the poor of 2050 will be able to afford more luxuries too. Just as someone in poverty owns a smartphone today, the essential technological luxuries (say, computer aided dating mentioned before) will be affordable to the poor as well.
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
Women will most likely not reach complete equality (maybe never), however we can expect things to progress further. The differences will most likely be measurable only in jobs in terms of pay and the type of employment women are found in. However I do believe the effect will be significantly less than it is today. Dating will look similar to what it does today, but will be significantly aided by technology. Think of dating algorithms performing in real time during a conversation happens. You might have a wearable device that answers "should I kiss her?" for you as the conversation happens. Software will tell you another person is a likely match just from sensory data and analyzing conversation. There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. You could argue that there will be more poverty in the future going simply by percentile of income, however the poor of 2050 will be able to afford more luxuries too. Just as someone in poverty owns a smartphone today, the essential technological luxuries (say, computer aided dating mentioned before) will be affordable to the poor as well.
That's already the case actually. The all too often quoted statistic that women make 80% of what men make is based on net values for the whole population. It doesn't look within individual careers. So it misses the fact that women haven't been a part of some of these careers that long, don't have as much seniority, and therefore are payed less. If you compare instead with this fact in mind, the numbers come out much closer, to the point where you could argue the differences aren't statistically significant.
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
Women will most likely not reach complete equality (maybe never), however we can expect things to progress further. The differences will most likely be measurable only in jobs in terms of pay and the type of employment women are found in. However I do believe the effect will be significantly less than it is today. Dating will look similar to what it does today, but will be significantly aided by technology. Think of dating algorithms performing in real time during a conversation happens. You might have a wearable device that answers "should I kiss her?" for you as the conversation happens. Software will tell you another person is a likely match just from sensory data and analyzing conversation. There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. You could argue that there will be more poverty in the future going simply by percentile of income, however the poor of 2050 will be able to afford more luxuries too. Just as someone in poverty owns a smartphone today, the essential technological luxuries (say, computer aided dating mentioned before) will be affordable to the poor as well.
Care to elaborate? If women are being paid equally and are employed in equally prestigious positions, why would the cultural views of women not shift along with those factors? What prevents women from ever being treated equally?
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: Answering from a western / central European perspective:
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
Women will most likely not reach complete equality (maybe never), however we can expect things to progress further. The differences will most likely be measurable only in jobs in terms of pay and the type of employment women are found in. However I do believe the effect will be significantly less than it is today. Dating will look similar to what it does today, but will be significantly aided by technology. Think of dating algorithms performing in real time during a conversation happens. You might have a wearable device that answers "should I kiss her?" for you as the conversation happens. Software will tell you another person is a likely match just from sensory data and analyzing conversation. There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. You could argue that there will be more poverty in the future going simply by percentile of income, however the poor of 2050 will be able to afford more luxuries too. Just as someone in poverty owns a smartphone today, the essential technological luxuries (say, computer aided dating mentioned before) will be affordable to the poor as well.
Care to elaborate? If women are being paid equally and are employed in equally prestigious positions, why would the cultural views of women not shift along with those factors? What prevents women from ever being treated equally?
I guess I don't really know, except for: Why hasn't it happen yet? In theory, the ingredients are already there, but the process just goes much, much slower than anticipated. I might be influenced in my rather negative outlook because Germany is especially bad when it comes to equality in the workplace. But browse any thread in this forum where feminism and equality is discussed and you will be discouraged from thinking the male generation growing up currently (90% of TLs audience) is any better than the one that failed to make equality happen in the present. I know that is not exactly a scientific metric but it is definitely part of where my pessimistic view comes from.
Edit: maybe I wasn't clear in my original post, I am arguing that women will still be NOT payed equally and still won't the same jobs men do, despite almost complete social acceptance of equality.
How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? There won't be a war such as WW1&2, but a second cold war might. Also more middle-eastern countries might go into revolutions, and perhaps more of those wars on terorism. Will democracies prevail? True democracy no, What we call democracy probaby. Will there be a new world power? No, the current powers such as the EU, US, russia and china will evolve.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? yeah, and will cause problems, though i think global warming will slowly start be not that big of a factor. overpopulation will be the major issue. Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? I think (and hope) we will have.
How will we be communicating with each other? through services such as facebook(for general/indirect communication) and whatsapp(for direct and personal/specific group communication) Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? Facebook yes, twitter no. Will people still be having a social life in the real world? Yes, explained in the book "physics of the future" by michio kaku. What are people going to do in their spare time? Gaming, socializing, laughing at cat pictures and watching series/movies, pretty much what we internet folk do but it has become more mainstream.
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? things such as small gardens and rooms. through VR. Is the music going to sound different? Probably. Will YouTube beat television? Not YouTube persee, more netflix. How might future games look like? VR.
Will there be a robot in every household? Not the robot with arms and legs, but "smart" furniture/household items. Maybe even integrated into walls of homes. Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? It wont be a robot doing it. Think of microwave food, but better and more healthy.
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Smart contact lenses, maybe not quite yet but that is the direction we are going. Is everyone going to have chip implants? Not we, but everything we use. Will computers become more powerful? That would seem logical. Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? Nope, See this video.
How will the Internet look like? Internet sites will be flowing into each other so that it almost seems as 1 big internet site. Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Yeah, don't see why not. Will governments take over the Internet? No, we wouldn't let that happen.
Will there be new ways of transportation? More hover trains. Will the electric car take over the traditional car? Yeah, though i do not know it cars will still be a big thing. How will technology enable new ways of warfare? It will not be a war of numbers of troops but of information Will there be wars at all? There will always be in one shape or another.
Will women reach equality? Not true equality, that will not happen for the forseeable future. though we will be more so. Will we still be dating in the real world? Yes, once again "physics of the future" by michio kaku. How will partners find each other? Dating sites or just happening to meet in "normal" ways Will there still be sex? Ofcourse.
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? One, maybe two times. Will there be a major change in our economic system? Yes, the hyper capitalism will vanish and make room for a less extreme version of capitalism or a more socialistic system. Will the majority of people still be working? Yes, we wont be that far that this won't be a thing anymore, though probably the middle class/upper class will work less. Will there still be poverty? Yes, we would say that they don't have it to bad, but there will for the forseeable future be poverty.
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Not completly without, but with less. Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? Yes, probably in genetics and genetic modification.
What will be the new threats to mankind? Perhaps, but we will still be our own biggest threat Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? Not yet, have patience young padawan.
Anyone interested in this subject should read "physics of the future" by michio kaku.
Personally I truly think that humans are really mean by nature, well I don't say that myself but humans in general, if everything about them were known would be shown as bastards, egoists and opportunists. I think that there will be inevitably two ways for humanity that will be reach in a short to long time: -the unlikely one, with the rising power of China and Russia which are dictatorships, revolutions could happen there and it could really shake the global economy depending if it's long or not, soft or not; if the global economy falls, civil wars could follow in most countries of the world; during that distress, opportunists would try to cause more chaos (anarchists, Islamists, degrowthists, terrorists of all kinds but also activists of all kind); the climate change and its consequences, and the lack of energies, could worsen and perhaps be the trigger to the civil wars; basically humanity would go almost instinct because everything that I said would cause wars; anyway it's pretty unlikely. -the most likely one, we manage to have a federation of Earth, personally I can see it in 500-1000 yrs, perhaps we will see the full federalization of Europe; we will continue into a society of greener consumption and without wars, hobbies (especially violent ones) will have a greater importance; the federation of earth will try to explore the universe and exploit its resources and imo that will be natural; I could not see a federation of Earth or even any important organisations without any goal other than keeping peace; most things used with paper in dailylife will be controlled by programs themselves strictly controlled by the government to the extreme (computing will be rly, rly important and advanced level right now will be common knowledge in the future and there will be different specializations for different programs etc...); I totally see us as colonizers of the universe and perhaps making wars for it in the long future because I can't see an united humanity without a grand objective.
Now in 50 yrs on a political level, I can see a revolution happen in China but most likely a gentle transition, even if it's very hard to predict. The EU becomes more of a federation and becomes near self reliant with green energies. There will inevitably be political troubles in Russia because one day or the other Putin will die. In Africa and Middle East, Lybia, Irak, Afghanistan, Somalia are sure to stay in the shit and stay as zone without any right (except with an intervention from either the US, China, India or Russia but not likely). Africa will see some country rly developp, have investments and form stronger ties while others will stay poor. The Mercosur will expand to all the South American states and some of Central and Caribbean but not every and also become more of a federation. ASEAN will also expand in the south-east and perhaps include Australia. I don't see anything happening in the Koreas, North Korea is still there for awhile (perhaps if the economy situation rly worsen something might change?). Japan will have big reforms on a constitutional level that will drastically change the country (it's an institutionally racist country that faces the biggest demography crisis of human history) with many dissidents. I have no clue about fiscal paradises and countries exporting oil, too hard to predict.
On a social level, English will be known by more and more people as second language as education develops. French will most likely become the fourth language spoken at birth behind in order Indian, Chinese and English. More and more people will become atheists (or agnostics) and religion will have significantly less power, a direct consequence will be a better acceptation of gays, lesbians, and trans. Most developed countries will see the rise of greener practices, with less emphasis on consumption and a return of traditional values while developing countries (with developing middle class) will see a boom of consumerism and will be the main targets of global companies. As I said earlier computing will become more important and will be taught to everybody in the near future while specialization in computing will develop. More things in our daily life will be automatized than now in 2050. I don't rly see our practices change much but the ones of developing countries yes with more individualism like in our countries. Concerning plastic surgery, drugs and alcohol usage, surrogacy and "artificial" births, it will be rly heterogeneous on a global scale (different for each country).
That was my long take at 2050, and I only did brief political and social parts.
We will soon be able to meet and exceed the basic needs of every man, woman and child on the planet. Abundance for all is within our grasp. This bold, contrarian view, backed up by exhaustive research, introduces our near-term future, where exponentially growing technologies and three other powerful forces are conspiring to better the lives of billions. An antidote to pessimism by tech entrepreneur turned philanthropist, Peter H. Diamandis and award-winning science writer Steven Kotler.
Since the dawn of humanity, a privileged few have lived in stark contrast to the hardscrabble majority. Conventional wisdom says this gap cannot be closed. But it is closing—fast. The authors document how four forces—exponential technologies, the DIY innovator, the Technophilanthropist, and the Rising Billion—are conspiring to solve our biggest problems. Abundance establishes hard targets for change and lays out a strategic roadmap for governments, industry and entrepreneurs, giving us plenty of reason for optimism.
Examining human need by category—water, food, energy, healthcare, education, freedom—Diamandis and Kotler introduce dozens of innovators making great strides in each area: Larry Page, Steven Hawking, Dean Kamen, Daniel Kahneman, Elon Musk, Bill Joy, Stewart Brand, Jeff Skoll, Ray Kurzweil, Ratan Tata, Craig Venter, among many, many others.
He argues that there are many types of technologies being developed atm that will solve a lot of the current problems we're facing. Think about the problem of horse manure in cities that was solved with cars. So far I've read about how nanotechnology can be used to filter bacteria, virus and arsenic from water to provide clean water cheaply, reducing health problems and deaths, increasing productivity, and decreasing fertility rates (since there's a correlation between health and fertility rates).
Vertical farming (growing food in buildings) increasing yield per hectare and reducing transportation costs (since we can grow plants nearer cities)
Not to get off topic, but I'm not convinced that cars saved the environment from horse manure. Here is a good historical analysis of the situation.
It's hard to react when you've pasted a long article without even citing a few key points but I'll try. I welcome any corrections but atm I'm finding it to be completely ridiculous to the point of disbelief.
From Nautil.us: In short, the automobile didn’t arrive as an “environmental savior,” a solution to urban waste epitomized by horse manure in New York City streets. The poor horses, in fact, were only a small part of the problem. The car emerged with an orchestrated push by the auto industry, and its reign was paved by a rising demand for gasoline and government investment in highways, roads, and zoning regulations. Similarly it was a democratic drive, with legislation to follow, that gave us sanitation laws and cleaned up our streets.
Here is my breakdown of their argument:
1. Cars didn't save the city from horse manure because the horses were only a part of the problem: there are other sanitation problems like a lack of a municipal garbage collection.
The other sanitation problems aren't horse manure problems, so they are irrelevant to the affect of cars on horse manure.
It's like you're saying that you're not convinced that some hypothetical scientists who cured cancer really cured cancer because people also died from heart attacks.
2. Cars was made popular for commercial gain. (orchestrated push by the auto industry)
The intention behind it is irrelevant.
It's like you're saying that you're not convinced that the scientists who cured cancer really cured cancer because they did it to become famous.
3. The government invested in highways, roads, and zoning regulations.
The fact that there is additional support is also irrelavant. The US government also invested in schools, did they save the country from illiteracy?
It's like you're saying that you're not convinced that the scientists who cured cancer really cured cancer because the government invested heavily in it.
4. Legislatures and sanitation laws cleaned up our streets.
Once again, the fact that there is additional support is also irrelevant. No amount of legislation will completely clean up the streets if there were 200,000 horses running around.
Just look at what great work legislature did in eradicating crime in USA.
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: Answering from a western / central European perspective:
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
Women will most likely not reach complete equality (maybe never), however we can expect things to progress further. The differences will most likely be measurable only in jobs in terms of pay and the type of employment women are found in. However I do believe the effect will be significantly less than it is today. Dating will look similar to what it does today, but will be significantly aided by technology. Think of dating algorithms performing in real time during a conversation happens. You might have a wearable device that answers "should I kiss her?" for you as the conversation happens. Software will tell you another person is a likely match just from sensory data and analyzing conversation. There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. You could argue that there will be more poverty in the future going simply by percentile of income, however the poor of 2050 will be able to afford more luxuries too. Just as someone in poverty owns a smartphone today, the essential technological luxuries (say, computer aided dating mentioned before) will be affordable to the poor as well.
Care to elaborate? If women are being paid equally and are employed in equally prestigious positions, why would the cultural views of women not shift along with those factors? What prevents women from ever being treated equally?
I guess I don't really know, except for: Why hasn't it happen yet? In theory, the ingredients are already there, but the process just goes much, much slower than anticipated. I might be influenced in my rather negative outlook because Germany is especially bad when it comes to equality in the workplace. But browse any thread in this forum where feminism and equality is discussed and you will be discouraged from thinking the male generation growing up currently (90% of TLs audience) is any better than the one that failed to make equality happen in the present. I know that is not exactly a scientific metric but it is definitely part of where my pessimistic view comes from.
Edit: maybe I wasn't clear in my original post, I am arguing that women will still be NOT payed equally and still won't the same jobs men do, despite almost complete social acceptance of equality.
Thanks for the explanation. I think I misunderstood your original point, and I don't necessarily disagree. I do think that TL.net is probably a bad place to get a fair population sample for gender equality issues. I've personally found that practically all video game related websites primarily have a population of young, single men, many of whom are in some way slightly sexist. And that's not to say that I'm completely immune either.
But sorry to get off topic, and I don't want to derail this into a sexism thread discussion. Thanks for the clarification.
Hrm. My question is a simple one. Can humanity save humanity...from humanity? Dumbest question yes. But that answers most questions. For all technologies, there will be those who want to profit, and control it. A common fallacy in this thread is completely ignoring human greed and desire. Of course it's been addressed, but those with high hopes for the future need to reconsider.
Wars. You bet. Small ones very much so. Large world wars again? If resources and pollution is killing our planet. True democracy does not exist, current politics may evolve to suit generational needs. Or stagnate and get overthrown. New world power...hard to tell. If China corrupts it's living conditions any further, it may not have a place to live. That desert is not showing signs of slowing down erosion. Global warming is already showing it's effects, whether deniers or believers like it or not. Renewable energy...who knows.
I'd prefer to meet people up person to communicate, otaku neet that I am. Still nothing like person to person. Facebook and Twitter...maybe. Social life in the real world. Of course. Spare time? We'll see. New Entertainment? Perhaps.
Music will sound different, and perhaps also mix existing types. Who knows. Youtube is also a control freak. Future games. Hrm. Depends on tech and budgets. Robot? I'd think not. Not everyone can afford one, or find them viable. Majority? Maybe. Define a robot's functions. There will be tech evolution, but we'll see what "things" they come up with. Chip implants? Ghost in the shell? Brainjacked? Not the brightest idea. Computers will probably become more powerful. We'll see about moore's law.
Internet will probably not look like Tron. Of course we can live without internet. The government will always attempt to control something, happening in many countries, just happens we still have internet neutrality...for now. Poverty will always exist. Of course sex will exist.
Equality? A thing that is written on a piece of paper. In reality, not many people are willing or ready to play fair if it places them above someone else. New threats to mankind... more environmental disasters, and of course, man themselves.
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? Will democracies prevail? Will there be a new world power?
There will be wars. Democracies will prevail and their inherent faults will be obvious for all to see. Inverted totalitarianism might become an entrenched system. China will rise to become a world power. Don't know if it will become the world power.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
Global warming and overpopulation are already showing their effects. Yes.
How will we be communicating with each other? Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? Will people still be having a social life in the real world? What are people going to do in their spare time?
Talking and internet. Facsimiles, sure. Yes. There's no substitute for real life until virtual reality is perfected. Same things they're doing now.
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Is the music going to sound different? Will YouTube beat television? How might future games look like?
Probably. That's the hardest thing to predict. Yes. Music always changes. The distinction between streaming and television will largely disappear. More like reality.
Will there be a robot in every household? Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards?
No. Robots will be the privilege of the wealthy. If you have the money.
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Is everyone going to have chip implants? Will computers become more powerful? Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
Don't know. No. Of course. Moore's law is an observation.
How will the Internet look like? Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Will governments take over the Internet?
More easily accessible, more responsive to people's needs. Yes. The internet is not reality. If they do, we're boned.
Will there be new ways of transportation? Will the electric car take over the traditional car?
New ways of transportation. Probably improved versions of what already exists. Only if it's worth buying.
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Will there be wars at all?
We'll be able to conduct entire wars without sending soldiers. This is really bad news. Yes.
Will women reach equality? Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other? Will there still be sex?
No. Yes. In person, through social media, through dating organizations. Yes. It's way too good to pass up.
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
Once. From capitalist to something else? Definitions get fuzzy. Yes. Definitely.
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences?
No. Errr...probably in quantum physics?
What will be the new threats to mankind? Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050?
Small-scale biological and technological warfare, general nihilism, mass media distorting people's views on everything as a deliberate tactic, the rise of inverted totalitarianism as the natural consequence of democracy without meaningful participation. No. It will take too many resources.
So, how do you think the year 2050 will look like? What will be vanished, that is common nowadays? What will be important changes that will affect our lives? What do you wish there would exist by 2050?
As good and bad as the current day. Albums, personal computers, television sets, stigma towards online education, wired internet connections. Breakthroughs in treating diseases, an overhaul in the entertainment industry, an overall increase in "mobile living", advanced AI making many professions obsolete, euthanasia gaining widespread acceptance, the internet becoming available to almost all people worldwide.
We will soon be able to meet and exceed the basic needs of every man, woman and child on the planet. Abundance for all is within our grasp. This bold, contrarian view, backed up by exhaustive research, introduces our near-term future, where exponentially growing technologies and three other powerful forces are conspiring to better the lives of billions. An antidote to pessimism by tech entrepreneur turned philanthropist, Peter H. Diamandis and award-winning science writer Steven Kotler.
Since the dawn of humanity, a privileged few have lived in stark contrast to the hardscrabble majority. Conventional wisdom says this gap cannot be closed. But it is closing—fast. The authors document how four forces—exponential technologies, the DIY innovator, the Technophilanthropist, and the Rising Billion—are conspiring to solve our biggest problems. Abundance establishes hard targets for change and lays out a strategic roadmap for governments, industry and entrepreneurs, giving us plenty of reason for optimism.
Examining human need by category—water, food, energy, healthcare, education, freedom—Diamandis and Kotler introduce dozens of innovators making great strides in each area: Larry Page, Steven Hawking, Dean Kamen, Daniel Kahneman, Elon Musk, Bill Joy, Stewart Brand, Jeff Skoll, Ray Kurzweil, Ratan Tata, Craig Venter, among many, many others.
He argues that there are many types of technologies being developed atm that will solve a lot of the current problems we're facing. Think about the problem of horse manure in cities that was solved with cars. So far I've read about how nanotechnology can be used to filter bacteria, virus and arsenic from water to provide clean water cheaply, reducing health problems and deaths, increasing productivity, and decreasing fertility rates (since there's a correlation between health and fertility rates).
Vertical farming (growing food in buildings) increasing yield per hectare and reducing transportation costs (since we can grow plants nearer cities)
Not to get off topic, but I'm not convinced that cars saved the environment from horse manure. Here is a good historical analysis of the situation.
It's hard to react when you've pasted a long article without even citing a few key points but I'll try. I welcome any corrections but atm I'm finding it to be completely ridiculous to the point of disbelief.
From Nautil.us: In short, the automobile didn’t arrive as an “environmental savior,” a solution to urban waste epitomized by horse manure in New York City streets. The poor horses, in fact, were only a small part of the problem. The car emerged with an orchestrated push by the auto industry, and its reign was paved by a rising demand for gasoline and government investment in highways, roads, and zoning regulations. Similarly it was a democratic drive, with legislation to follow, that gave us sanitation laws and cleaned up our streets.
1. Cars didn't save the city from horse manure because the horses were only a part of the problem: there are other sanitation problems like a lack of a municipal garbage collection.
The other sanitation problems aren't horse manure problems, so they are irrelevant to the affect of cars on horse manure.
It's like you're saying that you're not convinced that some hypothetical scientists who cured cancer really cured cancer because people also died from heart attacks.
3. The government invested in highways, roads, and zoning regulations.
The fact that there is additional support is also irrelavant. The US government also invested in schools, did they save the country from illiteracy?
It's like you're saying that you're not convinced that the scientists who cured cancer really cured cancer because the government invested heavily in it.
4. Legislatures and sanitation laws cleaned up our streets.
Once again, the fact that there is additional support is also irrelevant. No amount of legislation will completely clean up the streets if there were 200,000 horses running around.
Just look at what great work legislature did in eradicating crime in USA.
I appreciate your response. I also understand logical fallacies, though, so your "it's like..." hypotheticals are a little patronizing.
I was referring to this "phenomenon" of automobiles elimating the horse manure problem as an oversimplification -- not stating that automobiles did not contribute to a reduction in the horse population, resulting in a necessary decrease of horse manure. The article goes into detail about the transition from horse-carriages to automobiles as the primary method of transportation, so no, it doesn't solely address the issue and may provide details that are simply giving historical context. I did not mean to imply that every sentence in the article directly refuted your point.
Here's a better snippet that addresses the specific "automobiles saved the world from an overabundance of horse manure" argument:
“The automobile, cheaper to own and operate than a horse-drawn vehicle was proclaimed an ‘environmental savior.’ Cities around the world were able to take a deep breath—without holding their noses at last—and resume their march of progress.” To Levitt and Dubner, this historical turnabout teaches that technological innovation solves problems, and if it creates new problems, innovation will solve those, too.
It’s far too simplistic an interpretation. Cars didn’t replace horses, at least not in the way we usually think, and it was social as much as technological progress that solved the era’s pollution problems.
So really, my entire argument was simply that the rise of automobiles was not the primary factor in eliminating the problem of an overabundance of horse manure. It was a facilitating factor, but not the primary one. I apologize if the length of the article led you to believe that I was trying to make additional arguments as well.
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
I would argue that Japan is such a bizarre outlier in terms of sexual perception that any trends among the population can't be projected.
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
I would argue that Japan is such a bizarre outlier in terms of sexual perception that any trends among the population can't be projected.
Less about sex, but sometimes it feels like the unemployed / uneducated breed more than the people with jobs and careers.
On May 08 2014 01:43 Acertos wrote: Personally I truly think that humans are really mean by nature, well I don't say that myself but humans in general, if everything about them were known would be shown as bastards, egoists and opportunists.
I don't think humans have one true nature. One person can show extraordinary empathy, care or self-sacrifice one time and be spiteful, uncaring or selfish at another. Little things like sleep, stress hormone levels or various mood states can make a huge difference. We can see this in our primate relatives too, or even in other animals, so it seems both sides is part of our "true nature".
2050 Cable TV will be dead, everything will be through the net.
Physical therapy will consist of transplanted Muscle etc.
There will be wars, proxy of course.
Lunar bases will exist but in the form of say the ISS, manned missions to Mars could be happening but on Apollo level scale. Corporate space missions will be in full swing Mining, Manufacturing, Fuel depots, 3D Mapping etc.
Global Warming will be costing hundreds of billions of dollars in damage worldwide.
Diabetes could be cured, but Antibiotic resistant bacteria could be devastating.
Over half of the world's work productivity could be automated leading to massive social/labor upheavals.
Renewable energy will be ending fossil fuel dependency, at least in the Western world. Electric Cars will be the norm.
2050 will be in 36 years. Let's go 36 years back in time. This is how the world looked like in 1978:
I don't think anybody had enough imagination back then to predict what we have today. And in particular, how fast it would happen. If we want to predict how it will be in 2050, we are now in a similar position. We simply have no clue. All we can do is take the latest technology that we have available now and multiply that by a factor of 100.
So what do we have got?
3D printing
Google Glass
Nanotechnology
Self-driving cars
Supercomputer
Lab-grown burgers
Laser rifles
Brain-computer interfaces
Drones
Virtual Currency
Smart Clothing
Virtual reality
Space stations
Microchip implants
Holograms
Remote control of neurons
Robots
Now scroll up again! Look at how the things looked like in 1978! See how they look now! I will leave it to your imagination to speculate how all of that will look like in 36 years and how it will impact out society!
On May 08 2014 01:43 Acertos wrote: On a social level, English will be known by more and more people as second language as education develops. French will most likely become the fourth language spoken at birth behind in order Indian, Chinese and English.
French is only the 10. most spoken lanuage atm, why would it overtake spanish, russian or arabic?
On May 08 2014 16:36 urboss wrote: 2050 will be in 36 years. Let's go 36 years years back in time. This is how the world looked like in 1978:
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Now scroll up again! Look at how the things looked like in 1978! See how they look now! I will leave it to your imagination to speculate how all of that will look like in 36 years and how it will impact out society!
This is a misleading approach, since technological progress is not linear at all.
However, looking back 36 years the world looks very, very similar to our present anyway. At least compared to say, looking back 70 years. The vast majority of technological transformations was completed by 1978. Since then there has been comparatively little progress that we could call revolutionary. And people DID predict much of the technological progress we have today. For example, we have to realize that while they look stone age to us now, 1978 already had networked computers. What people looking into the future are mostly lacking is an understanding of how (predictable) technological progress will cause or go along with social changes.
I argue the future will go along the same lines. I am fairly certain we can identify the area that will see the most progress: Software, which will enable us to create "smart" machines. That however does not mean robots walking around, or other things that look completely out of place. Rather, a lot of our current machines and processes will be automated. For example self driving cars and automated delivery drones. These technologies are fairly easy to predict, just as the internet was in 1978. However the social changes are more difficult: How will society deal with jobs being replaced by machines? Will there be new professions, and will they pay enough to make up for the loss? Personally I have a rather pessimistic outlook regarding these questions, but in any case they are more interesting than talking just about technological progress.
On May 08 2014 17:09 zatic wrote: This is a misleading approach, since technological progress is not linear at all...
Exactly, technological progress is not linear, it's exponential! That is why it's so hard to predict! In case there are any game-changing revolutionary innovations, it is even harder to predict.
And let's face it! In the 70s, no one came even close to predicting the media and technology that we have right now. Even though you might have been able to deduce it all with a lot of imagination.
On May 08 2014 01:43 Acertos wrote: On a social level, English will be known by more and more people as second language as education develops. French will most likely become the fourth language spoken at birth behind in order Indian, Chinese and English.
French is only the 10. most spoken lanuage atm, why would it overtake spanish, russian or arabic?
Official lenguage of 10+countries in Africa. Estimated to 700 millions in 2050.
On May 08 2014 17:09 zatic wrote: This is a misleading approach, since technological progress is not linear at all...
Exactly, technological progress is not linear, it's exponential! That is why it's so hard to predict! In case there are any game-changing revolutionary innovations, it is even harder to predict.
It's really not. If it were we would be all driving flying cars and living on Mars. The transformations through technological progress achieved in the first half of the 20th century far eclipsed that of the second half, and even more that of the past 36 years. If you look at predictions of the future from the 50s, you will see fantastic imaginations straight out of science fiction. Coming from the background of the insane technological transformations previous it is understandable that people back then predicted a future that would be similarly progressed - space travel, flying cars, 10 hour work weeks, etc. As it turned out, technological progress slowed down. Or, if that sounds too radical, the fruit of technological progress today is less than that of previous progress. My argument is that we will continue on that path; With the added problem that the progress we will have (mostly automation) will cause a significant amount of social challenges.
And let's face it! In the 70s, no one came even close to predicting the media and technology that we have right now. Even though you might have been able to deduce it all with a lot of imagination.
This is just not true. Many of our current advances were predicted back then, foremost the internet. In literature this would be called the Matrix, in academics the Hypertext. The concept was very real. It can be argued that the achievements in miniaturization of the past decade have not been predicted as closely - but that miniaturization would continue was of course a common understanding.
It's hard to discuss this without actual data backing it up. The Internet itself may not have been so hard to predict, but all its implications were. I'm just saying that if people assume that they can predict the future by just extrapolating the present, then they are terribly mistaken! Let's just agree to disagree and we'll meet again in 2050!
I still don't know how the internet "works"...or computers...or anything electronical.
Like..why does a piece of plastic that gets burnt hold information? - CD's for you.
I fully expect the world to have seen a major war before 2050. Just look at the last 14 years, since 2000 off the top of my head we've had Iraq/iran/afghanistan, bloody end to the sri lankan civil war, north korea and now crimea and russia. Thats 14 years with probably god knows how much ive missed.
36 years with more build-up on these things? You're kidding yourself if you expect peace, unfortunately.
I expect technology to have made a significant breakthrough in an area or two VR/Holograms are ones im watching.
Global warming and overpopulation to become a serious problem.
On May 08 2014 18:37 urboss wrote: It's hard to discuss this without actual data backing it up. The Internet itself may not have been so hard to predict, but all its implications were. I'm just saying that if people assume that they can predict the future by just extrapolating the present, then they are terribly mistaken! Let's just agree to disagree and we'll meet again in 2050!
This is getting funny, you were the one who proposed looking back 36 years and extrapolate from that to the future. Anyway this is exactly what I am saying: Just as the internet was not that hard to predict 36 years ago, technological innovations of the future may not be either. However the social implications are the truly interesting topic.
As I said, all we can do is to look at our current technology and then let our imagination work on that. By looking back 36 years, we realize that it is impossible to simply extrapolate linearly. Every new technical invention - however small it may be - opens up ten new avenues that we can exploit.
I'm fairly sure a weaponized catastrophe of some sort will make most everything else irrelevant. It's human nature that we're all the heroes of our own stories. We're inculpable to our own minds. This biological trait will kill us. Hitler seems to be the modern depiction of evil, but he was also a man who thought he was doing the right thing. Some day, some person[s] doing the "right thing" is going to have the means and self-narrative to unleash major catastrophe.
Too many weapons, too many people with conflicting narratives, to think it will all lie dormant for eternity out of some Game Theory concept of "mutually assured destruction". If anything, someone will one day blow up the planet just to prove they can. And they'll think themselves the hero for doing it.
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
I would argue that Japan is such a bizarre outlier in terms of sexual perception that any trends among the population can't be projected.
Less about sex, but sometimes it feels like the unemployed / uneducated breed more than the people with jobs and careers.
That would be a normal feeling. Pretty much all studies I've read have concluded that as female education level goes up the birth rate goes down.
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As for the topic itself. I think we will keep seeing gradual improvement in most areas. This will lead to devices being cheaper and combinations being possible.
The best example I can think of is cell phones. The first ones pretty much needed a car battery and a suitcase. As electronics/batteries got smaller it got smaller. Then it hit a size when being smaller wasn't a competitive advantage and technology started to be added instead. Now it is a computer, TV, music device, video camera...
As the trend goes on devices get more dynamic and things like living outside of the city becomes normal. Since transports, power transfer and generation becomes easy enough to give a high standard of living.
As different fields improve and combine we will see more electronics in humans and more altered humans. The first truly "super" humans will probably be born around 2050.
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace?
I think nuclear weapons have made nation vs nation violence much less likely, and will continue to do so. Sub-state levels of violence, however, will proliferate.
Will democracies prevail?
There is no way to answer this question with a reasonable degree of validity.
Will there be a new world power?
China, possibly, although the world will more likely resemble post 1815 Europe, with a concert of major powers.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects?
If they don't by 2050, they won't, ever, since that's when global population levels will peak, and CO2 emissions as well.
Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy?
Cost-efficient; yes, but possibly because existing fossil fuels will have become so expensive as to make renewable energy comparatively cheaper.
How will we be communicating with each other?
Mind-computer interfaces.
Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around?
I give it a 32.33%, repeating, chance of existence. (But will anyone in 2050 understand that reference?)
Will people still be having a social life in the real world?
Yes.
What are people going to do in their spare time?
Eat, sleep, shit, fuck
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge?
Is the music going to sound different? Will YouTube beat television?[/quote]
Yes x3
How might future games look like?
Immersive VR environments through augmented reality displays and/or direct CNS stimulation
Will there be a robot in every household?
Yes, because I think most houses will have a central operating system or cloud-based 'appliance management', sort of like how every house today has HVAC
Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards?
Yes, I think fridges will become replaced by food vending machines
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? Is everyone going to have chip implants?
No and yes
Will computers become more powerful? Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050?
Yes and no, since you'll either get stagnation or an AI-driven singularity
How will the Internet look like? Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Will governments take over the Internet?
The internet will become the primary medium through which people interact, and the lines between the internet and the physical world will become very blurry thanks to augmented reality displays
Will there be new ways of transportation? Will the electric car take over the traditional car?
Freight and passengers will become increasingly moved by robotic systems (quadrocopter drones, drone trucks, ships, trains, planes, etc).
Personal vehicles will become an increasingly expensive luxury.
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Will there be wars at all?
Yes there will be wars. Tech will enable increasingly smaller sub-state actors to wield increasingly disproportionate levels of firepower, but those toys will require increasingly complex industrial bases to produce. The net effect is that sub-state actors with access to complex industrial bases and some shield against nuclear or nano retaliation will become the most violent actors.
Will women reach equality?
For the most part, they already have
Will we still be dating in the real world? How will partners find each other?
Yes, but most people will meet online
Will there still be sex?
Yes
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
Most 'labor' will be done by robots. People who can interface with bots and AI networks will do well. People who can't will become 'economically marginalized'.
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects?
No
Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences?
Too vague
What will be the new threats to mankind?
Grey goo... probably
Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050?
Yes
Please present your own vision of the future! The questions are only here to give suggestions as to where the discussion might lead to. You can answer some of these questions, or go more into detail on single questions, or just ignore the questions entirely!
So, how do you think the year 2050 will look like? What will be vanished, that is common nowadays? What will be important changes that will affect our lives? What do you wish there would exist by 2050?
On May 07 2014 23:53 zatic wrote: There will be still sex, but I believe there will be less. Human communication will in general get more sterile and less physical. We see some of the effects already today: I am thinking somewhat along the lines of this article http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
I would argue that Japan is such a bizarre outlier in terms of sexual perception that any trends among the population can't be projected.
Less about sex, but sometimes it feels like the unemployed / uneducated breed more than the people with jobs and careers.
That would be a normal feeling. Pretty much all studies I've read have concluded that as female education level goes up the birth rate goes down.
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As for the topic itself. I think we will keep seeing gradual improvement in most areas. This will lead to devices being cheaper and combinations being possible.
The best example I can think of is cell phones. The first ones pretty much needed a car battery and a suitcase. As electronics/batteries got smaller it got smaller. Then it hit a size when being smaller wasn't a competitive advantage and technology started to be added instead. Now it is a computer, TV, music device, video camera...
As the trend goes on devices get more dynamic and things like living outside of the city becomes normal. Since transports, power transfer and generation becomes easy enough to give a high standard of living.
As different fields improve and combine we will see more electronics in humans and more altered humans. The first truly "super" humans will probably be born around 2050.
And it will be either a american or a chinese soldier.
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? Wars. The world will never agree 100% on some views.
Will democracies prevail? Yes.
Will there be a new world power? USA World Police. China as our sponsor.
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? Yes.
Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? Yes. There are already some good ways, it just needs to be implemented more, and developed more.
How will we be communicating with each other? Through our minds or something. I'm sure technology will make another leap in 40 years to something we'd never expect.
Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? A Facebook style website, and a Twitter style website. Those two in particular, no. Social media websites go in waves.
Will people still be having a social life in the real world? Yes. Humans love human interaction, and many humans (that I know) don't particularly like communicating over the internet. They far prefer to be face to face. I imagine people will still grow up with this mindset, or even develop it later.
What are people going to do in their spare time? Whatever they feel like. Games, internet, sports, work, gym. How we go about these activities will change, but the general activities won't.
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? Yeah I'm sure they will. I remember when I was a kid and I went on a Motion Ride. Goddamn that was the coolest thing ever. Something new will come out and be the standard for entertainment (or at the very least be in addition to the current standards).
Is the music going to sound different? OH yeah. Music changes a lot every couple years, and I would say drastic changes every 10 years or so.
Will YouTube beat television? Internet television will beat standard cable television that's for sure. As for YouTube specifically, I don't believe so. YouTube is great, but you can't forget about Hulu, Netflix, and whatever else will come out over the next 40 years.
How might future games look like? I can't even fathom what the graphics will look like. I'll be real old and probably be frustrated with new games and go back to playing my easy old-school game like Diablo or something.
Will there be a robot in every household? Likely. Unless they scare people, which could very well be the case. At least something small like a better version of the little automatic vacuum things.
Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? Probably not in 40 years.
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? I would say yes. Just FAR better versions, with tools and styles we can't think of right now.
Is everyone going to have chip implants? No. Unless people's rights get taken away.
Will computers become more powerful? Of course! Technology becomes dated every few years. Every 5 years or so it's time for an upgrade and the other stuff is nearly irrelevant.
Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? Possibly. Although it will probably change.
How will the Internet look like? No idea. Web development will be SO different.
Will it still be possible to live completely offline? Possible, yes. Favorable, no.
Will governments take over the Internet? Yes. If they want.
Will there be new ways of transportation? Definitely. Electric surf boards or some shit.
Will the electric car take over the traditional car? Not entirely, but there will definitely be a lot more of them.
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? Oh god. I don't have the time to answer this one, but Cyber Warfare is already a thing.
Will there be wars at all? Yes. There will always be people fighting.
Will women reach equality? As much as they want it.
Will we still be dating in the real world? Yes.
How will partners find each other? Internet, and social gatherings. Very similar to now but with more emphasis with online apps and whatnot.
Will there still be sex? There will be as long as I'm alive.
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? 12? Idfk. I don't follow any of that. Lol.
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Yes.
Will the majority of people still be working? Yes. People have to work to survive.
Will there still be poverty? Yes. People don't want to work, or have life troubles.
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? Eventually. 40 years, it'll be better. 140 years, hopefully.
Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? Definitely! There are breakthroughs in the sciences weekly.
What will be the new threats to mankind? Not sure. It'll be a surprise and we'll have to react.
Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? Colonize, no. Make space travel much more viable and possibly available to the masses, maybe.
On May 09 2014 04:24 Big J wrote: The girls will be even prettier.
You mean the sexdroids that you can order with any kind of preference you may have in 2050? huehuehu
Girls, Sexdroids... what's the difference. huehuehu ok... that was really low And yet I'm still posting it. What does this say about me? What does this say about me in 36years?
On May 09 2014 04:24 Big J wrote: The girls will be even prettier.
You mean the sexdroids that you can order with any kind of preference you may have in 2050? huehuehu
Girls, Sexdroids... what's the difference. huehuehu ok... that was really low And yet I'm still posting it. What does this say about me? What does this say about me in 36years?
You ask the wrong questions... you need to ask .. will it be able to cook
Transistor-based computers will get smaller and cheaper at an exponential rate. My guess is that the equivalent of a normal PC from today will be barely visible in 2050. Computers will be so small that they will fit onto a contact lens. Images can be projected directly onto the iris and the computer can be controlled by our own nervous system. If you think that this is science fiction, a precursor of that, eye implants, were already successfully applied to patients with rare eye disease:+ Show Spoiler +
In addition, quantum computing might lead to a paradigm shift and enable calculations that were not previously possible. If quantum computers become reality, a lot of problems that are unsolvable right now might become solvable. http://www.cio.com.au/article/542475/future_computing/ + Show Spoiler +
On May 09 2014 16:34 urboss wrote: Transistor-based computers will get smaller and cheaper at an exponential rate. My guess is that the equivalent of a normal PC from today will be barely visible in 2050. Computers will be so small that they will fit onto a contact lens. Images can be projected directly onto the iris and the computer can be controlled by our own nervous system. If you think that this is science fiction, a precursor of that, eye implants, were already successfully applied to patients with rare eye disease:+ Show Spoiler +
In addition, quantum computing might lead to a paradigm shift and enable calculations that were not previously possible. If quantum computers become reality, a lot of problems that are unsolvable right now might become solvable. http://www.cio.com.au/article/542475/future_computing/ + Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2014 04:11 urboss wrote: Moore's law has been declared dead repeatedly over the last 20 years. It never turned out to be true.
Has transistor density or computing power/price increased tenfold in the last 5 years? My impression was no and that Moore's law was already "dead", we just needed a few years to confirm it.
I would hope we could cure cancer and alzheimer and build up our elder care till 2050 but since the research/medical/health/insurance sector itself is a huge industrial complex i doubt there will be any major breakthroughs. Ill people bring in more money to them than healthy ones.
Moore's law is dead for current computing methods, for sure.
Eventually we'll discover how to replicate that behaviour via a different mechanism, maybe with biologicals or something-something quantum computing, and off we'll go again. Right now, though, we really are at a point where the smooth exponential trajectory has become a much slower refinement gradient with (hopefully) a big jump at some point in the future.
The standard definition of Moore's law is that the transistor count will double every 18 months.
Intel has platforms designed for 14nm, 10nm and 7nm nodes already. The Ivy Bridge chips that are on the market right now are designed on a 22nm architecture. It will be followed by microarchitectures named as Haswell (22nm), Broadwell (14nm), Skylake (14nm) and Cannonlake (10nm).
The de facto status is that Moore's law will hold true until 2020. Technological breakthroughs will push that date even further.
On May 07 2014 02:20 Gamegene wrote: By the year 2050, There will be more children and more adults who are literate than not.
Poster probably won't see this, but currently the literacy rates among ages 15+ is already estimated at 84.1%.
World definition: age 15 and over can read and write total population: 84.1% male: 88.6% female: 79.7% note: almost three-quarters of the world's 775 million illiterate adults are found in only ten countries (in descending order: India, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, Brazil, Indonesia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo); of all the illiterate adults in the world, two-thirds are women; extremely low literacy rates are concentrated in South and West Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa (2010 est.)
On May 10 2014 15:54 urboss wrote: Not sure what you mean. Transistor counts:
2008: 230 million (Core 2 Duo Wolfdale3M)
Which is by far the smallest number for 2008 (core i7 ~ 700m would have been a more reasonable choice) and the area is much smaller than for your later examples anyway.
In any case I don't care to defend the claim that Moore's Law is dead. I was just reporting what I read. But it just happens that the wikipedia link supports it too.
On May 09 2014 16:34 urboss wrote: Transistor-based computers will get smaller and cheaper at an exponential rate. My guess is that the equivalent of a normal PC from today will be barely visible in 2050. Computers will be so small that they will fit onto a contact lens. Images can be projected directly onto the iris and the computer can be controlled by our own nervous system. If you think that this is science fiction, a precursor of that, eye implants, were already successfully applied to patients with rare eye disease:+ Show Spoiler +
In addition, quantum computing might lead to a paradigm shift and enable calculations that were not previously possible. If quantum computers become reality, a lot of problems that are unsolvable right now might become solvable. http://www.cio.com.au/article/542475/future_computing/ + Show Spoiler +
Transistor computers are already nearing size-limits. Moore's law is done.
It's quite interesting to think about the power of processors once transistors hit the size limit. I'm not sure if this is possible, but if a one atom size transistor is possible then theoretically the power of a processor will double from the two atom model.
On May 09 2014 16:34 urboss wrote: Transistor-based computers will get smaller and cheaper at an exponential rate. My guess is that the equivalent of a normal PC from today will be barely visible in 2050. Computers will be so small that they will fit onto a contact lens. Images can be projected directly onto the iris and the computer can be controlled by our own nervous system. If you think that this is science fiction, a precursor of that, eye implants, were already successfully applied to patients with rare eye disease:+ Show Spoiler +
In addition, quantum computing might lead to a paradigm shift and enable calculations that were not previously possible. If quantum computers become reality, a lot of problems that are unsolvable right now might become solvable. http://www.cio.com.au/article/542475/future_computing/ + Show Spoiler +
On May 09 2014 16:34 urboss wrote: Transistor-based computers will get smaller and cheaper at an exponential rate. My guess is that the equivalent of a normal PC from today will be barely visible in 2050. Computers will be so small that they will fit onto a contact lens. Images can be projected directly onto the iris and the computer can be controlled by our own nervous system. If you think that this is science fiction, a precursor of that, eye implants, were already successfully applied to patients with rare eye disease:+ Show Spoiler +
In addition, quantum computing might lead to a paradigm shift and enable calculations that were not previously possible. If quantum computers become reality, a lot of problems that are unsolvable right now might become solvable. http://www.cio.com.au/article/542475/future_computing/ + Show Spoiler +
Transistor computers are already nearing size-limits. Moore's law is done.
It's quite interesting to think about the power of processors once transistors hit the size limit. I'm not sure if this is possible, but if a one atom size transistor is possible then theoretically the power of a processor will double from the two atom model.
Could be interesting to see.
The problem isnt making really tiny transistors. Its making really tiny transistors cheaply and reliably. Once you get small enough, down to a few dozen atoms, quantum effects start to matter a lot, and your transistors stop behaving like you expect.
Anyway, how do guys think technology is going to look like in 2050? Do you really think it's gonna be more of the same of what we already have?
I believe that technology will be the one defining factor on how we will live our lives in 2050.
Politics, economic systems and society change too slowly to be much different from today, I think. There are too many interest groups that want to preserve things the way they are.
On May 11 2014 04:52 urboss wrote: Anyway, how do guys think technology is going to look like in 2050? Do you really think it's gonna be more of the same of what we already have?
I believe that technology will be the one defining factor on how we will live our lives in 2050.
Politics, economic systems and society change too slowly to be much different from today, I think. There are too many interest groups that want to preserve things the way they are.
Problem with technology though is that it´s first in the hand of goverments, nations or simply the industry. So even if a new breakthrough technology would exist that could cure all deseases or food/water problems etc etc in the future you won´t see that technology applied to humanity as a whole.
1. A continuing issue that is prevalent today, but may come into greater focus, namely as automated processes supplant human labour, the impact on the labour market. People still need jobs under current economic systems and socio-economic cohesiveness relies upon this. What will we be doing in the future when undeveloped nations catch up, and current technology becomes obsolete?
2. Regarding Moore's Law, read something the other day regarding analogue computing that is modelled in a loose way on the human brain, which isn't bound by such a law by virtue of it not being limited to binary processing of information. Pretty interesting but not my field, could be a load of bollocks :p
On May 11 2014 06:08 Wombat_NI wrote: 1. A continuing issue that is prevalent today, but may come into greater focus, namely as automated processes supplant human labour, the impact on the labour market. People still need jobs under current economic systems and socio-economic cohesiveness relies upon this. What will we be doing in the future when undeveloped nations catch up, and current technology becomes obsolete?
2. Regarding Moore's Law, read something the other day regarding analogue computing that is modelled in a loose way on the human brain, which isn't bound by such a law by virtue of it not being limited to binary processing of information. Pretty interesting but not my field, could be a load of bollocks :p
1) The issue with labor might not be as bad as it sounds. Someone's got to design those automated processes, someone's got to repair those robots.
2) Neat. But if it still uses any kind of electronics, its still bound by the now-failing Moore's Law.
It's a curious one, no matter how much technology advances, working hours have remained remarkably steady considering that, perhaps a change in work/leisure ratios is something that isn't ever going to happen. Quite curious really, I'd have thought more free time/higher wages per unit time might be desirable, gives us more time to consume :p
My understanding was not that Moore's Law wouldn't apply, but I guess that 'when used in projections of computing system advancement', it might need re-applied if a new way of constructing processors is viable. If that makes sense?
That's awesome. If I understand it correctly, it still uses normal transistors, so Moore's Law still doesn't apply too well, but its using them in a new, more efficient way.
Even though most manual labor has been automated, people are still working the same amount of time as 100 years ago. More than half of nowadays jobs are bullshit jobs no one actually needs!
That is why unemployment because of machines replacing us will never become a problem.
On May 11 2014 16:52 urboss wrote: Even though most manual labor has been automated, people are still working the same amount of time as 100 years ago. More than half of nowadays jobs are bullshit jobs no one actually needs!
That is why unemployment because of machines replacing us will never become a problem.
This is exactly why automation is a big problem, and why it will continue to be an even bigger problem in the future.
Sure there will always be "bullshit" jobs. I argue there will even be a whole lot more in areas that automation can't reach, say in personal coaches, personal consultants etc. The problem is that all these bullshit jobs pay shitty. In the past we were able to compensate for lost manufacturing by creating service sector jobs that payed at least on the same level. Now we are seeing those same service sector jobs being replaced more and more by software. What will compensate for that? The only thing on the horizon is more bullshit jobs that pay less and less. As a result you will see more and more a division of society into the super rich (capital holders, just like today), the wealthy (say the engineers who built the software) and a big bulk of service sector jobs with shitty pay. Like I said earlier:
Will there be a major change in our economic system? Will the majority of people still be working? Will there still be poverty?
There won't be major revolutionary changes, but there will be a progression along the lines we are already observing today: A significant increase in inequality of wealth, and jobs being cut / downgraded in favor of automation. The effect will be that the majority will indeed still be working, but in general real wages will be stagnating or declining. [...]
The notion of a "job" becomes antiquated when 80% of the work can be automated.
Being "employed" is still a remnant from the beginnings of the industrial age when lots of people were actually needed in manufacturing.
Suddenly everyone needed to have a job since people who had a job started earning more and prices increased. People without a job just barely survived. Governments started to "push the economy" to create more jobs and this started a vicious circle.
Jobs were created for the sake of creating jobs and not because there was an actual need for them.
Nowadays, when more and more work can be automated we end up in this funny situation that there are lots of useless jobs, while a fraction of the work would suffice.
The solution would be to abandon the concept of "employment" entirely. Get rid of all the useless jobs of today and downscale the economy.
Introduce seasonal cycles of work: Everyone needs to get their hands dirty, but only for certain periods of the year.
Unfortunately, this would require a major change of values. Currently, human nature still works against it. But as we have seen with modern concepts such as equality and green tech, the world might eventually succumb to it.
On May 06 2014 22:01 urboss wrote: How do you think the world will look like in 2050?
Will there be major wars until then or will the world drift toward peace? SAME Will democracies prevail? SAME Will there be a new world power? YES, CHINA
Will global warming and overpopulation finally show their effects? YES Will we have found efficient ways of creating renewable energy? NO
How will we be communicating with each other? "SMART" items Will there still be Facebook and Twitter around? NO Will people still be having a social life in the real world? YES What are people going to do in their spare time? I DONT KNOW
Are new forms of art and entertainment going to emerge? KOREAN A/E to the MAX Is the music going to sound different? SAME Will YouTube beat television? NO How might future games look like? VMMORPG
Will there be a robot in every household? NO Is there finally going to be a robot that cooks for me and cleans up afterwards? NO
Are we still going to have Smartphones? Wearables? Google Glass? SMARTPHONES = YES Is everyone going to have chip implants? NO Will computers become more powerful? YES Will Moore's law still be in place in 2050? I DONT KNOW
How will the Internet look like? I DONT KNOW Will it still be possible to live completely offline? YES Will governments take over the Internet? NO
Will there be new ways of transportation?YES Will the electric car take over the traditional car? I DONT KNOW
How will technology enable new ways of warfare? PROMOTE MASSIVE INSTANT DEVASTATION Will there be wars at all? YES
Will women reach equality? SAME Will we still be dating in the real world? YES, WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT??? How will partners find each other? SAME Will there still be sex? YES, WTF!!!
How many times will the stock markets crash until 2050? I DONT KNOW Will there be a major change in our economic system? I DONT KNOW Will the majority of people still be working? YES Will there still be poverty? YES, OFC
Will we finally be able to treat diseases without side effects? NO Is there going to be a major breakthrough in the sciences? YES
What will be the new threats to mankind? YES Will we be able to colonize other planets by 2050? NO
Please present your own vision of the future! NO COMMENT The questions are only here to give suggestions as to where the discussion might lead to. You can answer some of these questions, or go more into detail on single questions, or just ignore the questions entirely!
So, how do you think the year 2050 will look like? OPEN AND CHAOTIC What will be vanished, that is common nowadays? I DONT KNOW What will be important changes that will affect our lives? TECHNOLOGY What do you wish there would exist by 2050? NO COMMENT
Robots will be everywhere. There will be no sex. Humans will be bred artificially. There will be nuclear world war. Humans will live in huge underwater cities because the earth's surface is too contaminated.
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I think the cold war part is more or less already underway. It's just the actual armament building is still rather covert. Of course we and other governments know it, we just don't like to talk about it much.
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