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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 24 2013 20:54 Talin wrote: You don't need a human pilot, no. A computer with half-decent image recognition software can handle those challenges. And it can know a glass door from a window etc... all types of doors ? | ||
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Jonrock
Germany80 Posts
On December 24 2013 04:55 Iceman331 wrote: Both easily solved with cameras and a bit of code. The issue with this is NOT the technology. The technology exists and it could be implemented today and function just fine. The issue is with regulations and getting insurance companies to agree etc. As someone whos university work revolves alot around navigation and machine intelligence, I think this assessment is a little optimistic. If the mission is something like "fly to these coordinates and find the frontdoor of the right house, while avoiding any collision" that might work with a decently small chance of failure but it is not easily solved with cameras and bit of code. It is an engineering challenge not to be underestimated. And there will likely always be failures ranging from dropping the packet off in the wrong place to the drone being crashed into a car by a sudden gust of wind. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
On December 02 2013 11:31 BlackJack wrote: Finally we can order stuff off of Amazon without having to worry about the UPS man sleeping with our wives hahaha this made me chuckle more than it should :D hahaha | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On December 24 2013 22:07 Jonrock wrote: As someone whos university work revolves alot around navigation and machine intelligence, I think this assessment is a little optimistic. If the mission is something like "fly to these coordinates and find the frontdoor of the right house, while avoiding any collision" that might work with a decently small chance of failure but it is not easily solved with cameras and bit of code. It is an engineering challenge not to be underestimated. And there will likely always be failures ranging from dropping the packet off in the wrong place to the drone being crashed into a car by a sudden gust of wind. If they can get it on someones front lawn already without trouble its really not that big of a deal. Google maps would have seemed like a stupidly impossible idea at one stage but look where we are at now. You could leverage that kind of technology for drones, amazon drone maps. The gust of wind example ill take. But this is not that much more of a feat than a jumbo jet autopiloting through a storm and out of stalls. Yes things like this will most likely happen at first, but they will be treated like bugs that will eventually be fixed. | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
But the biggest issue that the package isn't really secure and it will feel easier for people to steal packages. Just like download on internet. Is easier to steal a drone than molest a postman. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 26 2013 03:10 Mysticesper wrote: but it's pretty easy to steal packages left on people's doorsteps. just get a doorstep-defense-drone | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
On December 24 2013 22:07 Jonrock wrote: As someone whos university work revolves alot around navigation and machine intelligence, I think this assessment is a little optimistic. If the mission is something like "fly to these coordinates and find the frontdoor of the right house, while avoiding any collision" that might work with a decently small chance of failure but it is not easily solved with cameras and bit of code. It is an engineering challenge not to be underestimated. And there will likely always be failures ranging from dropping the packet off in the wrong place to the drone being crashed into a car by a sudden gust of wind. I seem to have picked up my adviser's habit of using the word "easy" to mean "solvable with existing theoretical knowledge". I completely agree with you that there are significant engineering challenges to overcome, but the fact remains that we know how to do this stuff. Give a team of good engineers some time and they can overcome those problems. Sure we may not see this working tomorrow, or even within the next year, but I would absolutely not be surprised to see this working within 2 years. It's not as far away as some stuff I've read tries to imply. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On December 23 2013 22:54 FFW_Rude wrote: Things that are problematic for now. - Ok GPS tracks your home. But how does it know where your door is ? - If a dog/children is in the way. How to provent the helix to chop them when they approach ? An RFID tag could be placed on the door. Then the drone would fly to the address via GPS, and then orient itself based on where the RFID tag is. Once the drop is made, the drone can then fly back to the warehouse, or perhaps to the next address. Ultrasonic could also be used to orient the bot in this step. Unexpected collisions with living things is easy to solve: simply place a strong plastic barrier around the chopper/rotor, like a bowl shape. Then when the collision happens, the living thing is just bumped by a plastic bowl, instead of scratched by a rotor. All that's really left is determining cost and time of delivery, and waiting for the FAA regulations to come through. Merry Christmas Amazon Prime Air!  Edit: Check out this autonomous navigation bot! It's built with an Arduino and it uses ultrasonic sensors to determine where obstacles are, and then move around them. Autonomous Autonavigation Robot | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 26 2013 05:24 hp.Shell wrote: An RFID tag could be placed on the door. Then the drone would fly to the address via GPS, and then orient itself based on where the RFID tag is. Once the drop is made, the drone can then fly back to the warehouse, or perhaps to the next address. Ultrasonic could also be used to orient the bot in this step. Unexpected collisions with living things is easy to solve: simply place a strong plastic barrier around the chopper/rotor, like a bowl shape. Then when the collision happens, the living thing is just bumped by a plastic bowl, instead of scratched by a rotor. All that's really left is determining cost and time of delivery, and waiting for the FAA regulations to come through. Merry Christmas Amazon Prime Air! Edit: Check out this autonomous navigation bot! It's built with an Arduino and it uses ultrasonic sensors to determine where obstacles are, and then move around them. Autonomous Autonavigation Robot Like you buy a RFID tag and fix it ? Isn't this expensive ? Maybe it could work, i don't really know how it works. I doubt it could fly to another adresse because the drone can only transport one package and have a VERY LOW flying time. Well if a plastic bowl sends my child to fall on concrete i'll be pretty pist. Also a child/dog moves too fast for a drone to react (that i am aware of) | ||
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Mb79584
United States164 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
The drone keeps flying until someone finally opens the window to pick it up? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 27 2013 01:31 urboss wrote: How would this work in multi storey buildings? The drone keeps flying until someone finally opens the window to pick it up? That and Skyscrapers or equivalent. (well they could not deliver those) | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On December 26 2013 04:50 KwarK wrote: You'd need some kind of network to control all the drones in the sky. haha subtle | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 26 2013 04:50 KwarK wrote: You'd need some kind of network to control all the drones in the sky. They could build one. Sky...somethibg. Skywork ? | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
As for a plastic bowl sending children falling on concrete, the drone could be programmed to only fly vertically after a certain distance from the ground (say 10 feet). Then your child would only be crushed by the package instead of knocked over. Kids are pretty smart by the way, they will probably move in the vertical-flying situation. Also people could have special package mailboxes set up near their door on a pole 4 feet above the ground. It would look like a plastic box with no lid sitting atop a pole. This way you would have no problem with the drone hurting the less aware beings as it would never go lower than 4 feet above the ground. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On December 27 2013 00:52 FFW_Rude wrote: Well if a plastic bowl sends my child to fall on concrete i'll be pretty pist. Also a child/dog moves too fast for a drone to react (that i am aware of) Cowling around the rotors actually give them more lift and also make them run quieter on top of protecting the rotors. The smaller the space between the blade and the cowling the more lift, and since the cowling goes around the blades the sound doesn't travel sideways as much, its forced vertically up and down more. Oh the pets/children front. I don't know, don't order via drone comes to mind. I'd assume you'd tell your child not to play with the flying delivery machine just as you tell them to not play in traffic. If they're too young then I'd hope to god you're supervising them outdoors. Most dogs are terrified of vacuum cleaners so I don't know that they're going to want to get near some odd flying machine that is making noises. If your dog is the aggressive type, then again, don't get drone delivery and problem solved! I'm sure if one gets damaged delivering to your property that would be the end of you being allowed to order via drone anyway. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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