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On December 05 2013 05:12 Nouar wrote:
Ok shit I'm tired of that. Ok, he died, that's sad and all, we can mourn, but why is it like the most published and shared event everywhere for like the last 5 years ? Complete with wars, catastrophies, genocides, elections etc... Aren't there more important things happening for these years ?
I don't want to be disrespectful but he's "just" a hollywood actor from action movies... Worst is they are still gonna get that movie out, which I find really disrespectful. Making money on dead people isn't a hommage, it's an outrage. And it's gonna sell a awful lot mostly because he's dead.
What you consider disrespectful doesn't mean others agree. Going forward with the movie means additional resources for the family he left behind, including his 15 year old daughter.
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On December 05 2013 05:19 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 05:12 Nouar wrote:
Ok shit I'm tired of that. Ok, he died, that's sad and all, we can mourn, but why is it like the most published and shared event everywhere for like the last 5 years ? Complete with wars, catastrophies, genocides, elections etc... Aren't there more important things happening for these years ?
I don't want to be disrespectful but he's "just" a hollywood actor from action movies... Worst is they are still gonna get that movie out, which I find really disrespectful. Making money on dead people isn't a hommage, it's an outrage. And it's gonna sell a awful lot mostly because he's dead. What you consider disrespectful doesn't mean others agree. Going forward with the movie means additional resources for the family he left behind, including his 15 year old daughter.
Do you think they are in need ? :-D It surely means more money for the producers though ! He earned 39M$ for the 6 Fast and Furious. I don't think they lack resources, but the movie still going out is not my main point.
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On December 05 2013 05:33 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 05:19 Kaitlin wrote:On December 05 2013 05:12 Nouar wrote:
Ok shit I'm tired of that. Ok, he died, that's sad and all, we can mourn, but why is it like the most published and shared event everywhere for like the last 5 years ? Complete with wars, catastrophies, genocides, elections etc... Aren't there more important things happening for these years ?
I don't want to be disrespectful but he's "just" a hollywood actor from action movies... Worst is they are still gonna get that movie out, which I find really disrespectful. Making money on dead people isn't a hommage, it's an outrage. And it's gonna sell a awful lot mostly because he's dead. What you consider disrespectful doesn't mean others agree. Going forward with the movie means additional resources for the family he left behind, including his 15 year old daughter. Do you think they are in need ? :-D It surely means more money for the producers though ! He earned 39M$ for the 6 Fast and Furious. I don't think they lack resources, but the movie still going out is not my main point.
It would be incredible disrespectful to NOT use footage from him in the next movie. Think about. It was his life, what he did. He's put a lot of work sweat and tears into that movie, and then they suddenly decide to not use his footage? The biggest problem isn't whether they where going to use the footage or not, its HOW they are going to use it.
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Sad for him
But maybe they can finnaly bury fast and furious forever
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On December 05 2013 06:19 Darkren wrote:
Sad for him
But maybe they can finnaly bury fast and furious forever
Will probably get more popular than it has ever been. See Batman and Heath Ledger.
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On December 05 2013 06:25 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:19 Darkren wrote:
Sad for him
But maybe they can finnaly bury fast and furious forever
Will probably get more popular than it has ever been. See Batman and Heath Ledger.
Ah C'mon. Fast and furious movies weren't popular because of Paul walker.
Heath Ledger's brilliant version of the Joker SAVED batman. I doubt anybody think Paul Walker did a brilliant job with with the F&F series.
People like them because its popcorn type movie, you sit down with a couple of friends, beer and pizza and power down. People don't watch them (I hope) because they are interesting movies with character development. its fast cars, and things blow up.
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On December 05 2013 09:25 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:25 Excludos wrote:On December 05 2013 06:19 Darkren wrote:
Sad for him
But maybe they can finnaly bury fast and furious forever
Will probably get more popular than it has ever been. See Batman and Heath Ledger. Ah C'mon. Fast and furious movies weren't popular because of Paul walker. Heath Ledger's brilliant version of the Joker SAVED batman. I doubt anybody think Paul Walker did a brilliant job with with the F&F series. People like them because its popcorn type movie, you sit down with a couple of friends, beer and pizza and power down. People don't watch them (I hope) because they are interesting movies with character development. its fast cars, and things blow up.
You don't even need to spend a minute on any social media right now to understand people miss the guy. They are going to go watch the last movie he will ever be in. Heath Ledger was absolutely brilliant no doubt, but it wouldn't have been near as popular in the opening weeks if not for the massive hype surrounding his death.
And even if that wasn't true. Like you said, F&F wasn't popular because of him. They're not going to just stop making a cash cow all of a sudden because of the death of an actor.
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F&F wasn't popular because of him, but after a lot of episodes with that guy, I'll miss him.
Especially in the last 2/3 episodes where characters were a good part of the fun.
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there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife.
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On December 05 2013 11:11 icystorage wrote:
there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife.
The last three movies built up the whole "we're a family", so that goes against the idea of having Brian, Mia, and their new born child flee into hiding. Some say recast the character, but that can be seen as disrespectful too and I'm sure some of the cast would not be comfortable with that idea. The worst they can do is kill off the character. Regardless, it is a sticky situation.
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On December 05 2013 14:01 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 11:11 icystorage wrote:
there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife. The last three movies built up the whole "we're a family", so that goes against the idea of having Brian, Mia, and their new born child flee into hiding. Some say recast the character, but that can be seen as disrespectful too and I'm sure some of the cast would not be comfortable with that idea. The worst they can do is kill off the character. Regardless, it is a sticky situation.
Dude, actors who are ten times the talent Paul Walker ever was or ever could imagined to be if he were alive have died and have their characters be re-casted. I don't understand where all this deference is coming from considering that no one even knew who Paul Walker was in between FF movies.
The only reason not to recast is because it's too soon and too awkward. Just write him out somehow and cast a new pretty boy.
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They pretty much already did that by bringing back Lucas Black from Tokyo Drift since the beginning of filming. People said the same thing about recasting someone for Joker after Ledger's death, but Nolan and the cast didn't want that. This will probably be the same in this situation. Even if Universal was to recast, I wouldn't be surprised if people like Vin Diesel drop out. The whole cast is very close with one another. They even refused to go back to work when the death of Walker surfaced.
This isn't the matter of talent and how known Paul Walker was. The movies have been around for so long that there is a huge fan base, which allowed Universal to keep making these movies because they end up being successful financially and sometimes critically.
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That doesn't mean there won't be another joker in another batman movie. Of course Nolan can't recast joker since he was only making a trilogy. having 2 different jokers in 2 different movies is too jarring for the movie going public. but Joker and Paul Walker's character are on completely different levels of notoriety. How many people here even know what Paul Walker's name was in FF?
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On December 05 2013 14:37 gg_hertzz wrote:
That doesn't mean there won't be another joker in another batman movie. Of course Nolan can't recast joker since he was only making a trilogy. having 2 different jokers in 2 different movies is too jarring for the movie going public. but Joker and Paul Walker's character are on completely different levels of notoriety. How many people here even know what Paul Walker's name was in FF?
That's still the same thing. Every Batman movie is in their own universe whether it's Nolan's trilogy or Schumacher's. The difference with Schumacher's recasting of Bruce Wayne/Batman is that Val Kilmer didn't want to return and the actor and director had a hard time working together. As for the F&F movies, they're all connected and in the same series, so a recasting after an actor's death is a difficult choice. Anyone that has seen the movies or just one would know his name if they have good hearing and paid attention.
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Much easier to get away with replacing a secondary or less important character, especially when that character is a generic old bearded man playing the 1000th iteration of Merlin. It clearly would be harder to replace essentially the face of a decade+ old franchise. People would have trouble accepting that.
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On December 05 2013 11:11 icystorage wrote:
there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife.
The character could also get killed off-screen by the BBEG before the events of the movie start. That'd be a motivator.
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On December 05 2013 18:28 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 11:11 icystorage wrote:
there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife. The character could also get killed off-screen by the BBEG before the events of the movie start. That'd be a motivator.
Yeah its just too ironic to kill him in a car-crash in the movie... It's bad enough as it is. Maybe they can just stand vigil for him in the movie and mention that a bad guy killed him somehow.
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On December 05 2013 18:37 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 18:28 sumsaR wrote:On December 05 2013 11:11 icystorage wrote:
there's like a debate in the internet right now on how should Paul Walker's character be treated in F&F 7.
it's either he dies in a car crash (which most think is disrespectful') or he retires and lives happily with his wife. The character could also get killed off-screen by the BBEG before the events of the movie start. That'd be a motivator. Yeah its just too ironic to kill him in a car-crash in the movie... It's bad enough as it is. Maybe they can just stand vigil for him in the movie and mention that a bad guy killed him somehow.
I'd like that much better than including his scenes.
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Personally I find it pretty hard to feel sorry about someone who died in a "self caused" accident. I know he wasn't the driver but they were driving way faster than the speed limit and was not only risking their own lives but also the one of innocent people.
If they would have stuck to the speed limit I doubt this accident would have happened
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