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Anyone who has been at TL.net for a while or who has read the 10 commandments should know that the tolerance of bannable behavior from certain individuals is not only commonplace, but intentional. This makes for an interesting atmosphere that some may like, or not. An atmosphere in which some of us exploit and some are exploited.
I myself am not one of these upper-echelon members although I do enjoy a certain comfort zone. One day, though, I hit a sensitive spot of an administrator with whom I have no personal relation. The form of my post was identical to countless others but because of the particular subject and readership, I was given a temp ban. And if I recall correctly, I would’ve been given a permanent ban if not for the nature of tolerance here.
I do remember, though not with clarity, some very outright offensive posts I’ve made in the past. Though I can personally “justify” them by recalling the mood-altering medical conditions I was suffering, I imagine the consensus of the admins to not ban me was hinging on my otherwise good status as a poster. So that would make two times I’ve “gotten away” with it.
Finally, during my heyday as a poster at TL.net (I post less now), I made my share of generally useless and content-lacking posts. No particular incident but just a general waste of space. But since they were mixed in with my contributions, these microscopic offenses were tolerated.
So I can imagine three major ways in which I’ve made TL.net a worse site, and yet I’m still allowed to remain because of my contributions and/or reputation.
Have you ever been temp-banned or received threats? Share those experiences.
Have you noticed identical content from two posters, one of which is acceptable and the other not (perhaps even resulting in a ban)? Does that bother you?
Have you noticed anyone who has, at one point, made contributions but by now has probably out-weighed those positive contributions with too many negatives?
PS: It wouldn’t be incredibly difficult to make some strong cases (ie by using anonymous quotes of text from prominent posters and banned posters to demonstrate the similarity) for banning some big names here. But that’s not really the point. I’m beyond complaining about TL.net’s disregard for content as its #1 priority. I’m just curious what the population thinks about it, if at all.
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i'll rephrase this entire shit in a few minutes
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Sweden33719 Posts
Hm, I've been temp banned twice I think.
Once, because I tried to contact born)slippy in a topic (I think this was before we had PMs :D) and rekrul closed it, so I re-made it cause I wanted/needed to reach him. Very clever.
The other time I don't even remember, I think it was a joke (the banning) but eh, I'm just almost sure I've been banned twice.
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I've never been temp banned.
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a little tough to read that actually.. hrmm.. Well Mensrea warned me once in a perfectly mannered way and fair way once =) only time though
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I think one thing that's always identified TL.net as a community is that it's so tolerant, but only to a point. For example, some people come post here, and within 10 posts they're already gone. I've got a lot of posts--and I can honestly say few of them are actually constructive. Most of my constructive posts were in the strategy forums, as that's really the only forum I used when I first signed up. When I first came here I did my best to be polite, as I was afraid of Rekrul's scythe, but after a while I realized it was "ok" to be a bit of a jackass, as you can more or less do whatever you want as long as you don't piss off one of the admins.
Once I quit playing Starcraft religiously, my post quality and content went way downhill. The only thing I cleaned up was my typing. If you can go find my first few hundred posts you'll see that I don't capitalize, punctuate, etc. I actually find myself occasionally wondering how I don't get banned. To be frank, I just don't care anymore. I post stuff in the general forum that I think is worthy of a thread, and generally just don't take things too seriously.
I've made some rather rude posts that probably offended a handful of people here, for which I apologized for. I always question why I was never banned for it, but other people would have been gone within seconds.
I've only gotten warnings in the past, and usually it was for just posting too much (if I'm on during a more active time, I might be posting in multiple threads). One time I had a question about software, and I guess the thread title referred to some kind of illegal software which is illegal to be posting about here, and so I got a warning. That was an honest mistake though, as I didn't know it was illegal--I just didn't know the terminology.
And well, it doesn't really bother me that some people can get away with anything here. This isn't an objective forum run by a company. It's owned and operated by Starcraft fans, and that's why most of us are here. Hell, I don't even play anymore but I still come here. It's not like we can tell them how to run their own site. It's like owning a Counter-Strike server. It's yours, and you can ban whoever you want, etc.
So, for example, any of the blues here (Mana, Bill, and Hot_Bid) could probably get away with anything. Doesn't bother me, for the reason I just stated. If you don't like it, don't post. It's pretty simple. I can also think of a handful of just regular posters who, if banned, who cause an upset.
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I remember vaguely being banned because I complained about some thread being closed. I hardly remember what thread it was or any other detail. I do like the "we'll ban you if we feel like it" attitude. Lots of other forums have a bunch of dickwads who spend all day bitching at the administration for their (deserved) bans. Because the administrators had written that they moderate fairly and strictly by the rules.
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when was darki unbanned? i've been banned for flaming a guy asking for help in the strategy forum. thus, repent my sins i try to help whenever i can.
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i got my other name banned because i was a cock
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Belgium8305 Posts
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okay so
ive gotten away with bannable offenses before but its relative.
i have 1k+ posts and in my opinion, i'd venture to say atleast 1k of them have been worthwhile posts.
that being said, the people who get banned before they reach 20 posts have a much higher percentage of those posts deemed bannable.
so yeah, of course it would be easy to compare my one bannable post to some scrubs 20 shit posts. the point is ive made a thousand other worthy posts while all he's contributed is shit. you cant compare apples with oranges.
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Never been banned yet, and I think it's completely fair that someone who has been here as long as me, or longer than me gets more respect, and more leniency than a guy who's been here for less than ten days. You've obviously done something right if you've made it to 2k or more posts (too many 1k post users for me to take them seriously), because this site bans a ton of people. It's just like the workplace, most of the time good workers get more leniency with the management than the asshole shitty workers get.
On September 04 2006 15:23 Gene wrote:
okay so
ive gotten away with bannable offenses before but its relative.
i have 1k+ posts and in my opinion, i'd venture to say atleast 1k of them have been worthwhile posts.
that being said, the people who get banned before they reach 20 posts have a much higher percentage of those posts deemed bannable.
so yeah, of course it would be easy to compare my one bannable post to some scrubs 20 shit posts. the point is ive made a thousand other worthy posts while all he's contributed is shit. you cant compare apples with oranges.
That's what I'm saying, too, but I doubt very greatly that you have that high a ratio of good posts to bad posts. Even FA has a lot of bad posts, but he also has a lot of very good posts.
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I haven't gotten banned or temp banned
Hell, I haven't even read the ten commandments yet haha
Always heard of "OMG 10 COMMANDMENTS THIS" "TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT"
but never read it at all
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Hmmm. I think I've been banned. I vaguely remember going typing in tl.net and being sent to disney.com, but at the time I had no idea what it meant.
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i got temp banned for saying old once >.>
but that was after a fair warning, so i deserved it. Along with about 6 other people =]
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On September 04 2006 15:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, I've been temp banned twice I think.
Once, because I tried to contact born)slippy in a topic (I think this was before we had PMs :D) and rekrul closed it, so I re-made it cause I wanted/needed to reach him. Very clever.
The other time I don't even remember, I think it was a joke (the banning) but eh, I'm just almost sure I've been banned twice.
3rd one will be once you hit 20 fuckin' k of posts. (!!!)
-Mynock
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I'M RICHHHH BIATCHHHHHHHHH
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I've never been temp banned! ^^
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Oh, by the way, have any of you guys heard of Papa Roach's new (est) album: Getting Away With A Bannable Offense.
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I've been life banned because I posted a torrent site not knowing we weren't allowed to do so.
Even though everyone keeps posting them... I just guessed some admin didn't like me
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I've been warned once, but never banned or tempbanned. Played nicer since. 
If everyone got an immediate ban for crossing the line, then this site wouldn't have many users left. 
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Norway28677 Posts
the post that made you temp banned was NOT alike to "countless others" that go unpunished. the post you made was a horrendously stupid criticism of one of the most contributing posters on the entire webpage. kind of like telling mensrea that his report fucking sucked and that he should stop posting after he had just written a 10000 word long masterpiece newspost.
if that's the reason why you suddenly feel like making posts like these then whatever.
actually your entire criticism is way off. OF COURSE contributing members get more leeway. why the fuck wouldn't they. they contribute.. if we wanted a staff capable of deleting every "useless" post, not only would we have to define what makes a post useless, we'd also have to hire another 100 moderators, and then we'd have to respond to everyone who made a post we felt was useless but which they felt was useful.
a post like "haha" is not useless per definition, because it makes people who post funny stuff more likely to post more funny stuff in the future. and funny stuff is always considered a contribution, at least in my book.
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Norway28677 Posts
On September 04 2006 16:15 Hollow wrote:
I've been life banned because I posted a torrent site not knowing we weren't allowed to do so.
Even though everyone keeps posting them... I just guessed some admin didn't like me
everyone keeps posting them? post a link to a couple thousand torrents please
actually post 20 individual posts by 20 different posters all who have not been banned where they link to a torrent site. if everyone keeps posting them then that should be pretty fucking easy.
hell, just post 5 under the same criteria and i'll be impressed. but you should definitely be able to dig up 20 phrasing yourself like that.
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On September 04 2006 16:21 JD_Smee wrote:
NUKED
I don't see why anyone would bother with a inet vendetta with someone you're likely ever gonna meet in person. Seems like a big waste of time. Also, most people don't talk/act the way they do on the internet, but are generally a lot more likeable. If so, this world would self-destruct in one day..
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I was banned long ago, on another name. Cannot remember, was litterally like 5 years ago. I only had a few posts and i think most of them were random flames or defending some kind of accusation made against 88 or me, its in the past. Since than I have been temp banned one time. Stupidest fucking thing ever. Mensrea banned me because he thought i was being a smart ass in a Seahawks thread when i was being serious. Apparently he doesnt think highly of me, ah well.
As Eri said, some get more leeway. Such mentality is comparable anywhere. A good student will get away with more than the trouble maker, they contribute and they are OVERALL an extremely valuable asset to the production of the activity. Whereas a common detriment, such as a "bad student" or poster, simply continues a string of bad decisions = less sympathy and coincidentally less leeway.
I get away with drunken threads, random flames and occasional rants. That is more than some no-name or a known flamer would get. Pretty logical, ive earned some leeway whereas others have earned a shorter leash.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
I got banned from this site when I was like 13 and had barely hit pubery, and all I did was try to be funny, but it came of like me being an idiot. It was probably a well deserved ban.
Now I'm back and I make posts that are legitimatly educated.
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NEVER BEEN TOUCHED. One day I'm sure I'll get my own foot in mouth though.
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Never even been warned. I contribute a little, but largely my posts are just in the void of not being bad but not being good.
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woohoo, story time!!
OK so i was perma banned once ( on this account).......maybe 1 year ago?
Basically i try to long on one day and i realize that i can reply to msgs or post, extc. I finally check the ban log and find out it was Mensrea. Then i go to PM him and i see a pm from me to him which i didn't write. It was something along the lines of
FUCK U NIGGER JEW #@)#@@+)#(@)#@
pretty random stuff. The worst part was this happened right after he had warned me through PMs about a post a made in the strat forum that wasn't really helpful ( sarcrastic post, not that bad but at the time i only had about 500 posts:X ) So i guess someone logged on to my account at school or this cyber cafe i went too. I assumed I was an idiot one day and clicked remember password on one of the public comps. Whoever it was probably just saw the msg mensrea sent me and replied;o
Anyway....I pmed him a bit and explained the situation, he checked my past posts and since I had a pretty good record he just changed it to a 1 week ban:D So the lesson of the story is
ninjas love to steal your password when you aren't looking~_~
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I've been coming this site for 1-2 years, every day(although I only log in when I'm going to post). Never been banned, or warned, but I don't post often.
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Well, got banned cuz ppl apparently don't think Firebats should be allowed at all when vs hydra. I think I made another post like "Evan will go hybernate for another month" In which I think Mani intended to ban me for a month and then unban, but he never got over to unban me T_T
So then I made sorrow_eyes, then got bored of it, made happymanrun, then got bored of that, made a new evanthebouncy~ and I'll probably stick to this acct forever, as long as tl.net stays alive.
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when you get banned does it not let you log in? because i used to be effecthypnotize, but i could never log in
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What i like about this site very much, is the kind of tolerance and humor it has. I dont recall very well but i think in the ten commandments it says "YOU CAN FLAME" but of course, it has to be a good flame, because its another way to get yourself a name here in tl.net. That means you have to have good arguments, and think your posts. You cant just simply be a troll (like strafe haha) and get away with everything.
I think i've never been warned or banned, but mostly because im not a very agressive poster, and i usually pick my victim ( ah, i guess most of the strategy forum know "Reason" from uk ) but again, he is the target of everyone, so i guess flaming him is kinda tolerated because its not 1 person, or 2, but a lot.
Another thing i agree with some post is that, guys who contribute to the site, get more tolerance than people who just come and do stupid comment, for example, iNcontroL, i've seen a lot of his post very trollish, but then again, i've seen a lot of his post to be very contributing. I remember one of his golden posts, making fun of drone, about having sex with a girl in his house:
Dad: "Oh hey hunny? Take a seat i made breakfeast for you and Henry Bigkawk."
Daughter: "One sec dad let me get a pillow, Henry went balls deep last night and i wont be able to sit for a week!"
*dad and henry high five*
Henry: "Than i cummed in her face!"
Daughter: "Yeah so hold on the syrup dad i think ive had enough sticky stuff in my face for one day!"
Mom: "Did you wear the cow girl outfit with the ass less chaps?"
Daughter: "No i went with the school girl no panties skirt look."
Dad: "Henry lay off the anal next time ok? I scrubbed her bloody underwear for a few hours yesterday and that shit still wont come out!"
*the group laughs and begins breakfeast*
You guys are right. I see nothing wrong with this at all.
but for example, there is another, peruvian guy with a j1987 nick or something that makes fucking stupid posts, like " i just realized this site is full of idiots ", who deserve to get immediate ban
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On September 04 2006 16:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
NEVER BEEN TOUCHED. One day I'm sure I'll get my own foot in mouth though.
Someday you'll meet a girl. Don't lose hope.
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I think the admins here do their job well. I mean, for the most part I hardly see anyone ever disagree with any ban, temporary or permanent. To the best of my knowledge, only one admin doesn't like me, which is good but it is annoying I admit. You know who you are. /stern look
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On September 04 2006 16:58 [jOyO] wrote:
when you get banned does it not let you log in? because i used to be effecthypnotize, but i could never log in
Nah, you log in and it automatically redirects you to disney land, but of you hit "back" a couple times, you can still get logged on in TL.net. You just get this annoy message "You do not have enough rights" every time you try to start a topic, make a post, or send a pm.
^^
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That's impressive. I didn't expect ANYONE to actually look those up.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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so all these people are gonna get banned now?
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Osaka27149 Posts
no just BlackJack... FOR BEING INSOLENT
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Banned twice. Second time was for asking a WC3 key for my LAN I think.
Am I the only one to think Rekrul is the most active thread-closer and banner?
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On September 04 2006 17:08 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:That's impressive. I didn't expect ANYONE to actually look those up.
most torrent links have torrent in the name of the link. typing torrent into search gives you 2,000+ results, only needed first 3 pages and skipped some
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Osaka27149 Posts
I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads:
Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned.
I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal.
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On September 04 2006 16:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the post that made you temp banned was NOT alike to "countless others" that go unpunished. the post you made was a horrendously stupid criticism of one of the most contributing posters on the entire webpage. kind of like telling mensrea that his report fucking sucked and that he should stop posting after he had just written a 10000 word long masterpiece newspost.
His english wasn't perfect and his content consisted of incredibly public and accessible information for any reader here. I'm sure I could go to soccer forums and find similar content, or I could go to sports news sites, or I could read entire biographies, etc. Now if his subject wasn't the most popular sport in the world... lets say it was starcraft. Then it'd be nice to get some english write-ups (even if the english is bad) on some info that would be incredibly hard to find in english, etc etc. I don't understand why you'd go to an amateur sports writer who is using an unperfected language when there's absolutely no shortage of professionally written content. So his reports weren't that great.
As far as my post not being like countless others... All I did was leave a negative opinion without supporting it. Can you read a post on TL.net without seeing one of those? =/
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well, just as you wouldn't expect the highway patrol to give tickets to everyone who is speeding, thinking that the moderating staff has the resources to catch EVERYTHING that goes wrong is just silly. The point is, if you do something wrong, you run the risk of getting banned. So, no, you shouldn't complain about getting banned for something other people have done and gotten away with.
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On September 04 2006 17:22 Manifesto7 wrote:I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads: Show nested quote +Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned. I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal.
your descretion is usually quite good, the only exception i actually remember is that guy cgmu who then revived 50 3 year old threads after you temp-banned him for a week after repeat warnings
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1. TL.Net Bot posts links to torrents and nothing ever happened to her, wtf? Is she special just because she is HonestTea's ho?
2. Quality posts? What are those?
3. Never been banned! Requested for a one day ban, never happened because we don't have one day bans T_T.
Edit: I have said some stupid stuff and flamed stupid people with stupid comments, but nothing I would consider bannable. I've also flamed people who made stupid arguments, and then we made it all up through PM's.
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On September 04 2006 17:24 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 16:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the post that made you temp banned was NOT alike to "countless others" that go unpunished. the post you made was a horrendously stupid criticism of one of the most contributing posters on the entire webpage. kind of like telling mensrea that his report fucking sucked and that he should stop posting after he had just written a 10000 word long masterpiece newspost. His english wasn't perfect and his content consisted of incredibly public and accessible information for any reader here. I'm sure I could go to soccer forums and find similar content, or I could go to sports news sites, or I could read entire biographies, etc. Now if his subject wasn't the most popular sport in the world... lets say it was starcraft. Then it'd be nice to get some english write-ups (even if the english is bad) on some info that would be incredibly hard to find in english, etc etc. I don't understand why you'd go to an amateur sports writer who is using an unperfected language when there's absolutely no shortage of professionally written content. So his reports weren't that great. As far as my post not being like countless others... All I did was leave a negative opinion without supporting it. Can you read a post on TL.net without seeing one of those? =/
There are nice ways to word criticism. You could've said "nice effort, keep on improving your english" or something like that. If I remember correctly, the way you worded that post wasn't articulate or respectful at all. It was simply being an asshole. That's fine (and humorous) at times, but not when someone clearly put in a lot of effort into making the post you're replying to. We want MORE posts like that, we WANT different information than just BW stuff. I don't read any other forums and I like the variety just fine because I would never bother to look it up myself. We should encourage efforts at quality contributions and give criticism tactfully.
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Rekrul does not like me  ... or does not remember me.
Either I never go stupid since my few bans, either mods like me, which would be for no particular reason since my contribution is close to nothing and the threads I make are old videos or requests. I do not make much anyway.
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Oh and I guess the reason why I make posts like these is because I find the method of moderation here interesting. Of course TL.net leads the way for foreign coverage of Korean BW, but it's interesting to see how content is sacrificed for the admins' vision of a good forum. I would have thought a sense of responsibility would be assumed as TL.net emerged as the far-and-away leader of English coverage, and maybe it has somewhat been assumed, but not to the extent I would have thought. As long as this style of moderation continues and as long as a great contributions come from forum posts (and often not just the original post), content will always be sacrificed.
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Norway28677 Posts
haha
yeah that is nice bj =]
it has mostly just been TKWL banning for torrents tho. I've never done it. but I think we're supposed to. but it's kind of a fine line like, we would never ban for saying "look for a torrent" or "piratebay.org has lots of torrents" (and to my defense some of the links you got bj are people posting generic torrent sites  ) but rather posting direct links to torrents that in some way might be illegal for us to link to.
mini and d4d and distance_voice and chibi and wodd and BG1 (although actually not cause he asked "torrent sites are allowed on the site right if not i'll take them off after linking one) and Brood and uicK and camoot should all be banned though.
:D
and then mini and d4d and distance_voice and brood and camoot get contributor-leeway
chibi gets away with anything anyway
wodd is a 3 post poster who cares
BG1 apologized
and oh well I dont wanna make uick feel special in a bad way.
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radar14: It's true. I'm not saying what I did is right but rather that what I did is similar to many posts that go unpunished. I guess eri or naz or any of the other admins (if they're reading) won't like this, but my point is this: Since I made a particularly bad post in a topic which the upper-echelon members very much liked (ie naz), they're going to be harsher on me than if I made the same post to some topic nobody cares about. So that's subjective judgment number one. But on a much smaller level of subjectivism, I was actually favored (in the form of mercy) as i was granted only a temp-ban because I'm somewhat better than some 50 post nobody.
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Norway28677 Posts
nony
first raidern posted a post
15 or so people responded with praise
then you write
"these are so unprofessionally written.. why all the praise? his english is even fucked"
it's the kind of post that makes someone way less likely to make a similar post in the future despite the fact that every person with one exception (and he did not flame raidern) prior to you greatly enjoyed his post. basically you're complaining about this site not having as good content as it could have, in your opinion because of our moderation, then you bring up an example of you getting banned for having flamed someone who greatly contributed content-wise. it's fucking retarded. even though I love you, you're being fucking retarded. there are things you could complain about moderation wise though (I have complained about the moderation on very, very many occasions). but you're doing it in the most ass-horrible way i've ever seen, without attempting to consider all the different factors that make this forum the way it is compared to other forums. I really have to go to bed now so I'm not going to elaborate further, but seriously, drop it unless you have something way more constructive to offer.
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I have never gotten Banned because I think before I post; most of the time ;o.
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I once were banned by Eri because i trolled the fuck out of every thread for like a week, i wrote an apology and i remember Mensrea saying that it was one of the best "mea culpa" he has read, that coming from a pretentions egomaniac is really flattering :3
Now i can rape, torch and pillage har!
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On September 04 2006 15:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, I've been temp banned twice I think.
Once, because I tried to contact born)slippy in a topic (I think this was before we had PMs :D) and rekrul closed it, so I re-made it cause I wanted/needed to reach him. Very clever.
The other time I don't even remember, I think it was a joke (the banning) but eh, I'm just almost sure I've been banned twice.
Just the fact that you've been posting before we even had PMs makes me shake my head.
O_o
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Norway28677 Posts
of course posts go unpunished
we can't fucking read every single post on the entire god damn webpage and then making a decision based on every single post whether the post is bad enough to make the user banned or not
people are allowed to make a couple shitty posts unless they are EXTREMELY shitty posts. if there are only a couple shitty posts every couple 100 posts then the poster most likely contributes more than he hurts the forum. hence there is no reason to ban him. however if a poster has a high frequence of shitty posts, we will notice it, and he gets banned. if someone posts an extremely shitty post but still contributes more, he gets warned, in some cases severly warned through getting a temporary ban.
if your suggestion is "read every post and delete every post that is not seriously contributing to the site to increase the content-per-post ratio" then that's a fucking impossible suggestion. we'd need a moderator team 10 times larger, which is impossible to get on this site without adding moderators whom we would have no certainity would actually do their job without further fucking up shit and deleting posts that shouldn't have been deleted, banning people that shouldn't have been banned, closing threads that shouldn't have been closed.
it's impossible to make everyone happy. but it's much better to not ban someone if you're not sure the person should be banned, to not close the thread if you're not sure the thread should be closed, to not delete the post if you're not sure the post should be deleted, than to do the opposite. and through increasing the moderator team, we would also greatly increase the chance of bad bans, bad closings and bad deletes being commited.
it seems like you have our forums confused with smaller communities/communities where you have to pay for useraccounts. in both smaller communities and communities that charge you, there will usually be more room for discussion (because opinions are not recycled as often), and people will generally contribute more, making there a greater amount of content-per-post, which seems to be what you want. but in a community like ours, where we do not restrict people from posting by default, and where our site has tens of thousands of members and visitors, it's not doable. filler posts are a necessity, and they are not bad by default.
there I delayed my sleep for 5 minutes
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is awesome32274 Posts
Havent been banned or temp banned.
I though i would get banned lots of times but never did =0
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I like the style of earning a bit of room if you make good posts. And most people that are banned are pretty easy to spot from the beginning when they just post whitout something to say repetedly and keep a FA like posting pace the first week or so.
And you can be offensive and/or flame, if you just have some argument behind it and post it in a relevant topic and let it go if you are proven wrong ect. I think that is one reason why TL is such a nice forum to hang out at. And if you are a true asshat you'll be gone sooner or later.
Never got banned here but I've recieved a number of yellow-cards and warnings on another site that I hang out on. One for talking with a friend on the board and then he removed all his post to make me look stupid. But then a new mod thought that I spammed the board and gave me a tempban. Forunately I seemed to have made alot of friends/fans there (since I have an FA like postcount) as they stormed on to protect my case and get me back.
Also got some for fun bans for saying that I sometimes visit other sites (mentioning TL.net) and the admins I talked with banned me for 10minutes until I promised(lyingly) to never visit another site again.
A bonus was when a crewmember called (while he was slightly drunk) me at home wanting to ask me if I had anything to do with the deathtreaths a fake-acc user had made to some kids. Apparently the person who made the treahts had a profile inspired by mine and even copied stuff from it. Plus that other circumstances indicated me as a person likely to be behind it.
However I was cleard pretty quickly since we talked it out over the phone. I even defended my highly offensive profile that they wanted me to change. Or well they probably just forget to check if I changed it when I was found innocent.
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Was that last post bannable?
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I would not say so. But it sure was flammable
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I've gotten warned once but never temp banned or banned.
I have however asked for a few people to be banned on terms of racism. However, they weren't banned. I was younger back then and Mani explained why they weren't gonna be banned. Ever since then I have seen Mani as a very level-headed guy who is fair to everyone here. [ It's the infamous underwater basket weaving thread by the way ] This experience also inspired my opinion on all the admins in that one thread Stimey made I think...
These days the only posts I've made are 1) Defending Boxer [ military/birthday ] 2) General Forum. 3) Korean translation or culture questions.
I quit Starcraft officially a while ago, and I decided to stop following progaming since Boxer is going to the military. I used to post so much more but I think now that I'm older I have less to say and more to think about. Also I think I've made a total of maybe 20 threads the entire 2 years I've been a member here. After the first couple threads, I got ridiculued really hard by members and I decided to not make anymore after that. The remaining threads were all pencil-spinning related or something else that I was specifically asked about.
I think moderation does a good job here!
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Osaka27149 Posts
NoNy, you suffered a little bit from back story on that as well. Raidern had previously posted that he reads and writes his topics on tl.net as a way for him to learn English. Because this is one of his few outlets for practicing it, and the fact that he posts interesting stuff, the topics are respected. To dump on somebody because of their English when they are learning it will cause a backlash, especially on a site created by ESL students.
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Osaka27149 Posts
About your other point I am afraid I dont understand:
How do you think that content is sacrficed for moderation here? I dont understand that point. How could we change moderation to increase content? I am open to suggestions.
I unbanned STIMEY d okgm fish
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Osaka27149 Posts
Ack dont go. You have made 56 threads btw.
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never been anything'ed. then again i'm still a relativly new person here and haven't really had a chance to screw up yet.
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United States5262 Posts
Temp banned to study for finals that I failed anyways.
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On September 04 2006 18:12 Manifesto7 wrote:
Ack dont go. You have made 56 threads btw.
Nah, I'm not going anywhere. I still love TL and Starcraft. I was just explaining why I don't post as much anymore... Not that anyone cares lol
Ty for looking up threads btw... I'm surprised.... 56.....I really thought it was around 20 or so. Is there any way I can see those threads? I might have actually made more since I changed my name from Abyss_Bahamut to Ack1027 a while back.
On another note, do you guys remember this thread? http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=28223
I think we progressed from that point pretty well. Thanks to admins.
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Osaka27149 Posts
those arent torrents, those are files from rapidshare.
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So the problem is torrents themselves/ not the copyrighted content?
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Mani I mean that you can find a gem of a post anywhere on these forums, but in order to do that you must read all of the bad posts too. That's how content is sacrificed. The reason I relate this to the philosophy of moderating here is because I believe the preferential treatment encourages bad content. That's my pet theory.
I would prefer to have a very tightly moderated rule like this: All posts must have good content and be on topic. Of course "good content" could just be posting "hahaha" in response to a joke-thread, or it could be simply stating "iloveoov" in the liquibet thread you just voted in. On the other hand, it'd be unacceptable to post an opinion without supporting it when it would be appropriate to support it. Inside jokes would almost disappear (but they could be added into a post with on-topic content). There'd be some exceptions, like if midian posted in a strategy thread "lurkers would be better" then his post contains good content just by the authority of his name, although it'd be nice if he'd explain in the first place he wouldnt necessarily be punished.
So in a sense, if you want to be technical with me, you could say you're already doing that but the standards aren't as strict as I would like them to be. But in reality, the site would be entirely different. Posts couldn't be made without each one being an on-topic contribution. I would suggest (and this would happen naturally anyway) for one forum to not be strictly moderated. It'd be a place where everyone could "cut loose." (and yes you should know what I'm referring to). And posters would easily be able to observe the contrast in moderation between this "having fun, hanging out, being with the community" forum and all the other forums which are strictly dedicated to content.
Hopefully I've expressed my vision. And with that in mind, I'll now say this: I don't necessarily think my vision is better than what currently exists. It would certainly be my preference since I'd like to be able to access the great content of this site in pure form, but I know a lot of people like their content mixed with off-topic things (it adds to the atmosphere, I guess).
ps: how many topics have I created? I don't think very many...
pps: this is my last post.
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On September 04 2006 17:52 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 15:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, I've been temp banned twice I think.
Once, because I tried to contact born)slippy in a topic (I think this was before we had PMs :D) and rekrul closed it, so I re-made it cause I wanted/needed to reach him. Very clever.
The other time I don't even remember, I think it was a joke (the banning) but eh, I'm just almost sure I've been banned twice. Just the fact that you've been posting before we even had PMs makes me shake my head. O_o
That's not really that uncommon, to be honest. I was here when the PM system was introduced.
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I have never been banned. Though my very first post pissed of Nazgul. I said that i had a tsu rep that he killed 150 supply of hydras with 10 infested terrans and swarm.
He didn't that that was possible, and became kind of angry when someone suggested that you could if you stack-burrowed them. This was a long time ago.
I agree with Hippotomous. It is unrealistic to think that a site can be moderated consitently and fairly. The "ITS OUR HOUSE" is a much more realistic form of moderation, and it clearly has been effective. Don't piss off the big dogs, and you're fine.
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Meat threatened to ban me when we were playing on pokerstars.
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emo thread.
KIDDING! KIDDING!
LOL. Oh come on! Lighten up!
I remember my first account being banned coz I badmouthed Mensrea. Stuppidest post ever. I got banned and then continued to read tl.net for another two years until, eventually, I thought I was mature enough to post again. I simply had nothing good to post so I just read.
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On September 04 2006 18:52 NonY wrote:
Mani I mean that you can find a gem of a post anywhere on these forums, but in order to do that you must read all of the bad posts too. That's how content is sacrificed. The reason I relate this to the philosophy of moderating here is because I believe the preferential treatment encourages bad content. That's my pet theory.
I would prefer to have a very tightly moderated rule like this: All posts must have good content and be on topic. Of course "good content" could just be posting "hahaha" in response to a joke-thread, or it could be simply stating "iloveoov" in the liquibet thread you just voted in. On the other hand, it'd be unacceptable to post an opinion without supporting it when it would be appropriate to support it. Inside jokes would almost disappear (but they could be added into a post with on-topic content). There'd be some exceptions, like if midian posted in a strategy thread "lurkers would be better" then his post contains good content just by the authority of his name, although it'd be nice if he'd explain in the first place he wouldnt necessarily be punished.
So in a sense, if you want to be technical with me, you could say you're already doing that but the standards aren't as strict as I would like them to be. But in reality, the site would be entirely different. Posts couldn't be made without each one being an on-topic contribution. I would suggest (and this would happen naturally anyway) for one forum to not be strictly moderated. It'd be a place where everyone could "cut loose." (and yes you should know what I'm referring to). And posters would easily be able to observe the contrast in moderation between this "having fun, hanging out, being with the community" forum and all the other forums which are strictly dedicated to content.
Hopefully I've expressed my vision. And with that in mind, I'll now say this: I don't necessarily think my vision is better than what currently exists. It would certainly be my preference since I'd like to be able to access the great content of this site in pure form, but I know a lot of people like their content mixed with off-topic things (it adds to the atmosphere, I guess).
ps: how many topics have I created? I don't think very many...
pps: this is my last post.
I skimmed most of your post, but what you're asking for is nearly impossible with the limited amount of resources we have here. You'd need a moderating team ten times the size of the one we have in order to do that. It's a harsh reality that you have to deal with when posting on a public forum. You have to deal with shitty posts. Eventually you know who the shitty posters are, so you can just skip right over them when you see their names.
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Hmm I've never been banned or even warned. I try not to post uselessly and never flame ;p
Personally, I think the mods do a pretty good job.
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I have been banned once cause i said someone was ugly..well it was bad manner i apologize keke
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Never been warned ^^
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I've never been temp banned. Hell, the only time I was ever "officially" warned was by Nazgul as a joke when I joined the mod team. ^_^
On September 04 2006 17:14 SpaCe)Ment-rA wrote:
Am I the only one to think Rekrul is the most active thread-closer and banner?
I dunno, I think the majority of threads in the last month have been closed by me (I've been slacking the past week though), but I haven't made many bans at all.
As for the whole torrent thing, I'll close a thread, and I had to warn like 1 person, but I haven't had to ban for it. I can't really see banning someone for it either unless they're REALLY pushing the issue, but at that point it has nothing to do with torrents anymore, they're disrepectin' our authoritah.
Anyyyyyyyyways, I honestly think TL.net is one of the best moderated forums out there (certainly the best I've ever been on, and I've been saying this long before I became a mod), because there are a lot of freedoms, but at the same time, there are still certain lines and boundries, boundries which any reasonable person will never cross.
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The reason why I dislike Nony is because he attacks people unprovoked. If there is an underlying reason for doing so (ie: disagreement in thought, something in the argument itself). If you dislike somebody, wait until they post something that you don't agree with if you want to post something against them. And even when you get that opportunity, use it to argue about the topic at hand, instead of saying: "[Insert ID], you're stupid. Stop posting."
What keeps a forum going is the exchange of ideas, between people who are trying to convince each other of their perspectives. It's not the random bashing of somebody you dislike.
I like to argue, I say mean things every once in a while... (It all depends on my mood) but it's always focused on the topic at hand, or criticizing someone for having a skewed point of view while arguing my point. You should do that, Nony. -_-;;
Also, don't blame whatever you did on medical conditions, that's just pathetic.
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Oh, and why are you trying to propose a new Mod standard? Because you were temp-banned and you disagreed with that? Not everyone has the right views on things. They should be allowed to express their thoughts (though they may be wrong), and be corrected by better opinions.
People should say what they want to say. And if what they say is off-topic and utterly offensive without any underlying reason, then that's when they should be told of their mistake.
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I have a positively spotless record, I am a shining beacon of proper posting and everyone should follow my example
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Nony is an extremely intelligent and well intentioned fellah but what he is asking is stupid and has been adequatly refuted in another venue numerous times. This site would fucking suck if every thread was a tight-ass on topic discussion with only well thought out posts about every-fucking-thing. The style of TL.net is fine and good. Yes there are fucking retards who make bad posts, so they get told so or banned if its bad enough. There are those great posts that are made 1 in ever 5-10 bad posts, whatever, thats fucking communication. You go to any normal lecture at any normal university and you will have the 10-15 bimbo ass retarded valley girls spewing complete garbage-intellect. Do we pass laws refusing them the ability to say their garbage thoughts? No, we just deal with them as they come.
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On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Also, don't blame whatever you did on medical conditions, that's just pathetic. hahahha
On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Oh, and why are you trying to propose a new Mod standard? Because you were temp-banned and you disagreed with that? Not everyone has the right views on things. They should be allowed to express their thoughts (though they may be wrong), and be corrected by better opinions. The world is subjective, not objective. There is no right or wrong opinion.
On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
People should say what they want to say. And if what they say is off-topic and utterly offensive without any underlying reason, then that's when they should be told of their mistake. Same thing.
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On September 04 2006 22:26 rpf289 wrote:
The world is subjective, not objective. There is no right or wrong opinion.
Here we go again... Saying things without any evidence. I did NOT mention if an opinion was RIGHT or WRONG. They would NOT be opinions at all, but facts and untruths, no? Why call them opinions at all? I said:
On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Oh, and why are you trying to propose a new Mod standard? Because you were temp-banned and you disagreed with that? Not everyone has the right views on things. They should be allowed to express their thoughts (though they may be wrong), and be corrected by better opinions.
They should be corrected by BETTER opinions. Not RIGHT opinions. Sure, the world philosophically is subjective... but it is largely OBJECTIVE. Where'd you come up with that idea? We live our lives based on facts. On the fact of nature, physics, etc.
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On September 04 2006 22:26 rpf289 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Also, don't blame whatever you did on medical conditions, that's just pathetic. hahahha Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Oh, and why are you trying to propose a new Mod standard? Because you were temp-banned and you disagreed with that? Not everyone has the right views on things. They should be allowed to express their thoughts (though they may be wrong), and be corrected by better opinions. The world is subjective, not objective. There is no right or wrong opinion. Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 22:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:
People should say what they want to say. And if what they say is off-topic and utterly offensive without any underlying reason, then that's when they should be told of their mistake. Same thing.
nah rpf there should be some laws that should shun idiots like Nony with these emo thread rants 4 pgs replies blah blah medical weakness crippled bs...
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Netherlands15103 Posts
this thread needs more seizure robots?
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wow, tomorrow when I get home from classes I'm making a thread on what emo fucking means
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Edit: Nevermind. I'll let your opinion be.
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On September 04 2006 23:08 AngryLlama wrote:
What's a tool?
a screwdriver
Never been banned/temp banned, warned or anything. I dont make quality posts or bad posts im just here.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 04 2006 23:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:a screwdriver Never been banned/temp banned, warned or anything. I dont make quality posts or bad posts im just here.
I've always liked you if that helps. Happy BDay btw. ^_^
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On September 04 2006 23:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Never been banned/temp banned, warned or anything. I dont make quality posts or bad posts im just here.
that makes two of us
happy birthday
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I contribute probably like once in a year.
And obviously, no one remembers my name so I will never get temp banned/banned.
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On September 04 2006 17:22 Manifesto7 wrote:I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads: Show nested quote +Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned. I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal.
were not allowed to post porn?? i remember soooo many threads with porn in them. remember the NWS babes thread? that was like 54 pages of porn...
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i have been banned like 5 times in the past 3 1/2 years
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Osaka27149 Posts
On September 04 2006 23:54 maleorderbride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 17:22 Manifesto7 wrote:I dont ban for torrents. I just use the automated message usually from TB. It reads: Here at TL.net we ask all our users to not request CD keys, give warez links, or post porn and other such things on our forums. This is talked about in our site rules, the TL.net Ten Commandments. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your account being banned. I used to be a real bitch and ban more, but i now only ban if it is something really stupid. I use the temp bans almost exclusively.... or at least that is my goal. were not allowed to post porn?? i remember soooo many threads with porn in them. remember the NWS babes thread? that was like 54 pages of porn...
If it is labelled properly, porn always gets a free in. However, posting porn in places without proper warning can be dangerous for those browsing, so if it is random or not tagged, it has to go down.
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Never been banned, but I hardly post.
When you get banned, can you still read TL.net and not post? I've always wondered.
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Osaka27149 Posts
Lets find out. Ill unban you in 10 minutes and you can share your experience with the group.
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Edit, Couldn't think of anything clever. And you beat me horribly at BW so I can't start a grudge match. You win this time MANI!
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United States4471 Posts
Never been banned in any way, and I don't recall ever being warned. Then again, I've been a mod for a while already and have thus received a good amount of leeway.
These days I'm probably one of the least active staff members, and contribute little beyond the occasional opinion in a random thread. I regularly skim the forums, but actually read very few threads. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty about my lack of activity/contributions, but I guess it doesn't really cost the TL.net admins anything to keep me on as one. I feel a little like a TL.net hermit who goes away for long periods of time and only returns once in a blue moon. This lack of activity makes it even less likely that I would step on anyone's toes, even if I wasn't a mod.
I believe strongly in the view that this site should be moderated to fit the vision of the admins and their chosen moderators. They made it and so they can make or break it as they see fit. Fortunately, there is a genuine interest by the staff in maintaining a good posting environment on the forums which allows for a free exchange of ideas, while trying to make sure no one goes over the proverbial line. It's this desire for a reasonably fair method of moderation that makes this site what it is, and all the thanks should really go to Naz and Meat (and Drone?) for assembling a staff capable of doing so.
This post has gone on longer than I intended it too, and has become a bit off topic as well, but suffice it to say that I am proud to be a part of the TL.net staff and its community. I've always tried to maintain a certain degree of fairness and objectivity when acting as a mod, and only wish that I had more time and energy to contribute to the site these days. The rest of the staff does a great job though, and I have no fear of these forums ever going bad so long as the admins continue to do what they've been doing these past years.
Edit: Can't believe I've been a member of these forums for almost 4 years now. And a mod for 3.5 years?? Where does the time go?
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I try to be constructive but a lot of threads just turn to shit by the time i get to them in which case ill either give an oppinion anyway or try to join in with the humour. I dont think this is really bad, everyone here does it.
I was temp banned for a week about a month ago (i think) for something pretty minor.
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On September 04 2006 17:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:haha yeah that is nice bj =] it has mostly just been TKWL banning for torrents tho. I've never done it. but I think we're supposed to. but it's kind of a fine line like, we would never ban for saying "look for a torrent" or "piratebay.org has lots of torrents" (and to my defense some of the links you got bj are people posting generic torrent sites ) but rather posting direct links to torrents that in some way might be illegal for us to link to. mini and d4d and distance_voice and chibi and wodd and BG1 (although actually not cause he asked "torrent sites are allowed on the site right if not i'll take them off after linking one) and Brood and uicK and camoot should all be banned though. :D and then mini and d4d and distance_voice and brood and camoot get contributor-leeway chibi gets away with anything anyway wodd is a 3 post poster who cares BG1 apologized and oh well I dont wanna make uick feel special in a bad way.
... someone was looking for something and I just replied with a torrent site, not linking to an actual torrent, just the site.. a legit torrent site and I was banned. It was suposed to be a week ban or something but you guys never unbanned me. I asked twice to be unbanned telling you guys that I had no idea and would not do it again but you ignored me
Yes BlackJack thats right im rS.Loco and thank you for finding those links before I did
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Your idea would make this place boring.
And I just want to point out one thing. The name of the site. Its Team Liquid. You act as if they have some responsibility to listen to people, at all.
It is their team's website. They get to do whatever they want. It has been that way from the start. No change needs to be made to the moderation because it is THEIR site. They own it. If they don't like your face they can ban you. They have owe nothing to anybody here. They don't have a responsbility to do anything, regardless of the place the site holds in the foreign BW community. It is a clan site. Your being allowed to visit is a priviledge, not a right.
It's nice that they actually do listen to people though. They take critism and don't rule with a draconian fist(despite what people think about rekrul, he's nothing to be afraid of if you aren't doing something wrong). They actual let people bad mouth them if they think is has its place. They give people immense freedom on their site. Everything other site I've been to that was owned by a group wasn't run like this. You should consider yourself lucky, not in a place to complain.
With that out of the way, I've never been banned, don't think I've ever been warned. I'm told I don't even have a note but that may have changed since one of the last threads I posted in I decided to be a total arrogant prick in. I do that a lot actually, but that time was a bit overboard.
I kind of like the fact that I can be an arrogant prick and as long as I contribute to whatever the topic is, I am considered fine. As long as you actually contribute, you can have whatever personality you want. I like that. You were needlessly a prick in a topic without contributing anything, and so got banned. I have been needlessly a prick a hundred times with contributing and that seems okay. Perhaps you should contribute when you want to be a prick.
You should quit your bitching. You seem pretty ungrateful for being allowed to post on their clan site.
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As far as I know i've never been warned/temp banned/banned. Generally I try to think about what im posting to avoid stupid post's, although i'm sure i've probably done some.
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Norway28677 Posts
actually loco I just looked it up
you complaining about being banned for it makes little sense, because the rules were posted in the very same topic before you linked isohunt.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=27021
i'll gladly admit that we're not always consistent. but 3 people had pointed out that asking and responding wouldn't be tolerated before you posted it.
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has Reason been banned? he's been really trolling for months now but seems to have disappeared of late. Is there a ban-list on the site or anything? just curious.
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Yeah theres a ban "update" thread that in which a bot or something lists bans as they happen. Its either in the Closed or the Website Feedback forum. I'm too lazy to check, so just have a look yourself ;p
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hey im not complaining i really dont care about this i didnt read their posts before posting. I would of never thought it was illegal to share torrent sites because most of them are legal
We share torrents on liquidpoker all the time how come its ok on LP but not on TL? Just out of curiosity, i'm not defending my rights to post torrents or anything.
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Norway28677 Posts
I think the reason why it has not been allowed on tl and allowed on lp is well
mensrea was sorta the person who made us aware of the illegality in that kind of stuff. and TKWL is the only one who has really bothered cleaning up based on it. neither have any position on LP.
I think thats basically it.
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Well what Nony wants would only be possible if there would be a moderated and a not-moderated part of tl.net. So the mods only had to read every post in a section and not in every thread.
But I don't know if this is a good idea or not. It would make the other part of the forum (the unmoderated) go to hell quickly.
Or they could make a part which is closely observed where they would
ban for evey offense and moderate the other parts the same as before. But this would only mean more work
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On September 05 2006 04:14 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
sometimes i moderate links to torrents but it's kinda futile/pointless in the way censoring links to VODs would be . the only reason would be is if the server demands it, which i dont know
you being a red nick of LP.NET is something i just dont get... :3
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On September 04 2006 23:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 23:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On September 04 2006 23:08 AngryLlama wrote:
What's a tool? a screwdriver Never been banned/temp banned, warned or anything. I dont make quality posts or bad posts im just here. I've always liked you if that helps. Happy BDay btw. ^_^
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Awww. Should've seen it coming--I mean his posts aren't nuked--but after nony's first defense of his criticism of that soccer guy I was sure he was going to get banned in this thread.
Not that I was hoping for it, in fact I do think nony's criticism (or flame) at most deserved a warning, and that his banning was a matter of doing the wrong this to the wrong person (talking in a negative light about anything soccer--a sport that I find utterly boring and stupid ahahaahha and thusly think badly of it and insult it and its players--to LD).
Hahaha. I keep switching back and forth here. Because I also think that temp banning is no big deal, and should really almost never be complained about to administration. 'Cuz you guys (admins) aren't any better than anyone in real life, and complaining to you about what you did sort of lends you credence. Not that you should just temp ban people, but that if you have a defendable reason for doing so, which he did, that should really be the end of it.
Heh, strange and not very lucid thoughts above, but I'm under time constraints here. RRRWWWOOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!
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On September 05 2006 03:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:actually loco I just looked it up you complaining about being banned for it makes little sense, because the rules were posted in the very same topic before you linked isohunt. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=27021i'll gladly admit that we're not always consistent. but 3 people had pointed out that asking and responding wouldn't be tolerated before you posted it.
yeah I guess that wasn't so harsh since the rule was posted in the same thread. What I remember being unreasonable was the follow-up inquiry on why he was banned. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=27319
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On September 05 2006 04:44 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2006 23:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:On September 04 2006 23:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On September 04 2006 23:08 AngryLlama wrote:
What's a tool? a screwdriver Never been banned/temp banned, warned or anything. I dont make quality posts or bad posts im just here. I've always liked you if that helps. Happy BDay btw. ^_^ <3
You are a ghost!
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On September 04 2006 16:12 -_- wrote:
Oh, by the way, have any of you guys heard of Papa Roach's new (est) album: Getting Away With A Bannable Offense.
corny as fuck
any ways. just dont act like a dick. you are allowed to once in a while but dont be a "habitual line stepper".
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On September 05 2006 10:16 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 03:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:actually loco I just looked it up you complaining about being banned for it makes little sense, because the rules were posted in the very same topic before you linked isohunt. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=27021i'll gladly admit that we're not always consistent. but 3 people had pointed out that asking and responding wouldn't be tolerated before you posted it. yeah I guess that wasn't so harsh since the rule was posted in the same thread. What I remember being unreasonable was the follow-up inquiry on why he was banned. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=27319
Yeah I think I made this new acc after like 4 months ++ nobody unbanned me T.T
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Mensrea banned me because I wrote that IMO Boxer vs Joyo game was totally overhyped and actually not that interesting when compared to other games (no pace really, bank terran, map mined out, predictable late game etc). Then he unbanned me and left or something
I was temp-banned for using the word nigger
I also believe that there is absolutely no way of speaking about immigration on this website, because you get immediatelly labelled as racist and banned. I just believe that melting pot doesnt work. (to cover the failure it was changed to multikulti, which still does not work)
I was told that we all should worship Ahur . I just believe he is overhyped too, he made an inferior no-cd crack, which he managed to market well (it's like most of the people would love microsoft or something and someone who believes something else would get flamed).
this website is becomming more and more populist. I won't mention the names, but they just post short one-liners, which maybe sound cool, but are untrue
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I've never been banned nor warned. o_O
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I've gotten temp banned by eri because my friend posted 1000 reasons why god exists and something about shitting thread.
A few people also wanted me banned from the "you-know" what place ><
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 05 2006 11:00 8882 wrote:
I also believe that there is absolutely no way of speaking about immigration on this website, because you get immediatelly labelled as racist and banned. I just believe that melting pot doesnt work. (to cover the failure it was changed to multikulti, which still does not work)
I disagree with that, because I believe it can be discussed here (if you do so maturely and objectively, because I, in part agree with a little of what you're saying). The problem with the thread you got banned is the fact you were being BLATENTLY RACIST. There is a difference between objective discussion and outright racism.
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Had to do it. For the sake of the topic.
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ahahaha omg
wait does this mean I get banned too? T_T
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 05 2006 11:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Had to do it. For the sake of the topic.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Mr. Goossens strikes again!
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Braavos36375 Posts
i think the balance between random stupid threads/replies and genuine, on topic discussion is pretty great here at TL. its one of those rare communities where you can actually relate to your mods see their personalities and reason with them--they are not just robot police. it\'s a unique interaction between those with power and those without, and while of course it\'s not perfect and abuse will happen, in other forums and the outside world it rarely happens as smoothly and nicely as it does here. here, the mods actually listen, post, and accept opinions of others to a degree i\'ve never seen elsewhere. it\'d be easy and sadly more normal for them to just dismiss your opinion and call it wrong, but the guys in red are dead on in their assessment of situations the vast majority of the time. it has something to do with the fact that the mod team is significantly older and more mature than the general forum going crowd, but honestly i think its also because they\'re just nice, reasonable people, and what can you say other than that naz and the other site founders have an extremely good nose for selecting good people to moderate.
of course you can\'t expect all posts to be perfect, that\'d take away from TL\'s ability to morph from serious discussion into crazy silliness (you know you enjoy it). while most of my posts are intended to be funny and i come here mainly to laugh and relax with the other cool users that post here, i do participate in serious discussion at times. i\'ve flamed and trolled a good amount too, mainly towards stuff (hopefully) that is warranted, like my posting 18 fake CD-Keys in a stupid request post, or pretending to be someone obsessed with APM in a stupid apm thread, etc. i\'ve made that e-money ID to post those emo nerd blog posts, which i still to this day think are hilarious, and i\'ve also made an account called ganesh to quote and advocate cows.
just take liquiscoop for example, me and intothewow and dronebabo have a ton of fun making that each week, and we could make it absoutely ridiculous and circus like, but in my opinion it represents us to our peers--wow i never thought i\'d be considering people i\'ve never met my peers and value their opinions so much--and this is when TL.net becomes awesome, when you actually become part of the community--BW or General or otherwise--and people actually remember your \"personality\" whether its real or not. i realize that not everyone wishes or comes here to be that involved, but that\'s why i feel TL is worth it to me. without that, who cares what score you get in liquibet or how cool that rA build was last week or why whoever made a hilarious or embarassing or stupid post?
that\'s also why i believe in the leeway thing, because i certainly didn\'t anticipate caring that much when i started posting here. my first ID even got banned for making this pretty racist ridiculous joke post a few years back, and ever since i decided that i was here for a while i think i got tempbanned once for like a day or something. ok i\'ve rambled for many paragraphs now but i think that the mods do a great job. yeah great rah rah.
edit: and on the subject of very longtime posters getting to do/say whatever they want, i think that's true to a degree, but Stimey is a prime example of someone's personality changing and eventually leading to a ban... nobody is really safe but you get so many chances its hard to screw up that much.
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good post
only other site founder is meat btw
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On September 05 2006 12:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
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That was awesome, great post.
Don't quote big ass posts and write a one-liner below it please. - Twisted
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Thats an impressive post hot bid =)
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Netherlands13554 Posts
I got banned twice
Once for calling Americans dumb and fat countless times, and the other time when I was replay uploader and called rekrul a faggot (I got unbanned after a few hours though).
That said, the moderators have been doing a fine job all the years on this site I think, although I have disagreed with many rekrul bans in the past. I think he does a way better job now. Every moderator has his own style, some like to warn or temp-ban, some just outright ban people right away when they make a really really stupid post. There aren't really guidelines, so only really obvious bad posters get banned anyway.
Plus, like a few others already said, I like the tone of the forum, anything goes as long as you don't fuck up too much.
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On September 05 2006 12:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
and we could make it absoutely ridiculous and circus like
Actually that's something i was hoping for and looking forward.Absurdity w/o limits ftw !!
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On September 04 2006 15:14 rpf289 wrote:
I think one thing that's always identified TL.net as a community is that it's so tolerant.
I agree with the post
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fuck all of you i hate this shit place
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Braavos36375 Posts
rofl wtf
edit: sincerely confused
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Netherlands13554 Posts
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On September 05 2006 12:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
... Great post. Probably your first since you became a blue.
Did you not just read what Twisted said?! -ETT
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rpf dont quote long posts for a one liner- Twisted. err..DAMNIT ETT.
On September 05 2006 11:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Had to do it. For the sake of the topic.
what did I miss?
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 05 2006 13:02 CleaR wrote:
fuck all of you i hate this shit place
GTFO you unruly little shit
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Braavos36375 Posts
On September 05 2006 13:05 rpf289 wrote:
Great post. Probably your first since you became a blue.
what kind of backhanded compliment is this, rpf im sorry i haven't had time to create many threads like "[H] Toothbrush Bristle Choice" or "[R] Where to download self esteem?"
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On September 05 2006 13:08 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 13:05 rpf289 wrote:
Great post. Probably your first since you became a blue. what kind of backhanded compliment is this, rpf im sorry i haven't had time to create many threads like "H] Toothbrush Bristle Choice" or "R] Where to download self esteem?"
LMFAO ouch.
and i realized what i missed.
i think that is worth rpf:1 hot bid:3
and ETT i believe he meant that as a joke. seeing as most of his posts are comedic gold. well okay. the THREE that i remember ever seeing.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 05 2006 13:10 Gene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 13:08 Hot_Bid wrote:On September 05 2006 13:05 rpf289 wrote:
Great post. Probably your first since you became a blue. what kind of backhanded compliment is this, rpf im sorry i haven't had time to create many threads like "H] Toothbrush Bristle Choice" or "R] Where to download self esteem?" LMFAO ouch. and i realized what i missed. i think that is worth rpf:1 hot bid:3 and ETT i believe he meant that as a joke. seeing as most of his posts are comedic gold. well okay. the THREE that i remember ever seeing.
Well then, she'll have a week to think about making a smart comment next time, won't she??
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SHE MIGHT, SIR. SORRY SIR. >.>
okay on another serious note,
i've never been temp banned or warned before. and i would like to think my estimate of ATLEAST 900 quality posts was a good one, because for a long, LONG time i felt i had to prove myself here and make myself worthy of not being banned, because i valued coming here very highly and was very scared of being banned, so i made a point to only post when i had something of some kind of value to say. now, i also like to think i'm a little safer than i was a year ago. but at the same time i find myself posting garbage, and so i've been kind of expecting a warning. but each time i post something entirely not worth posting i find myself saying "Okay that was completely unnecessary" and i go try to put something worthwhile in it, which never happens. but whatever, i dont know exactly how that works.
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Norway28677 Posts
On September 05 2006 13:08 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 13:05 rpf289 wrote:
Great post. Probably your first since you became a blue. what kind of backhanded compliment is this, rpf im sorry i haven't had time to create many threads like "[H] Toothbrush Bristle Choice" or "[R] Where to download self esteem?"
hahahahaha
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Double standards and inconsistency is really the norm when it comes to internet message boards, as certain people will always receive the benefit of the doubt whereas others will be granted no leniency.
The level of such double standards and inconsistencies here at TL.net is pretty high, but that's really to be expected. It's a pain for someone like myself who has absolutely no status here, but it's just par for the course.
Of course, I've never been a fan of overmoderation. I say this as a guy who hosts a message board that gets a decent amount of posts and has absolutely zero moderation. It really is true that if you take away the attention and feeling of defiance people get by abusing the rules, said defiance loses its luster. Plus, I don't feel it is my place to decide who says what - we're all big kids.
Now, I guess I'll give some TL.net examples just for flavor:
1) I remember posting in a thread titled "Hardest unit matchup to micro" with the post: "747s vs. World Trade Center". Now, that's a highly offensive post if taken that way, but the end result was a good laugh by everyone and a derailed thread in which everyone (moderators included) came up with their own offensive spoofs. What's interesting is these same mods would threaten to ban me like 2 days later for a less offensive, more good-humored post. But whatever - that's the sort of inconsistency you have to expect and not worry about.
2) I posted a bunch of comical Sandlot logos in a thread, including a walking vagina with sunglasses. All in good fun, right? Yah, I agree. Everyone had a good time goofing off in that one, but when I posted a similar cartoon of a marine waiting in his base for his testicles to drop (as is my take on Terran strategy), I got more threats of a ban. Yes, they were threats from the same guys yucking it up in the previous thread. Oh well.
3) I had an account banned. I probably said something dumb - but nowhere near as dumb as what consistently comes out of Strafe's mouth. But I'm not Strafe.
4) I had a threat of an IP ban just today, as a matter of fact. In a thread in which there were cute pictures making fun of Fayth's girlfriend, I posted a picture making fun of Testie and his 14 year old girlfriend. God knows they deserved it after her irritating posts in that same thread. But, as luck had it, someone with a love on for good-ol'-Testie was on and didn't appreciate my jab. As such, I was threatened, my post was erased, and the cute pics of Fayth's girlfriend as an Ewok (which were hilarious, btw =) ) remain.
That's just how it goes though. You can't complain because obviously it's still worth the effort to post - albeit in small amounts. The level of acceptable posting can vary rapidly depending on who's online, etc., etc.
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Braavos36375 Posts
unless you give specifics a lot of your arguments are based solely on your own opinions, what is obviously a "less offensive, more good-humored post" to you could be interpreted very differently by someone else.
as for your argument about strafe, he has been banned several times for saying stupid stuff too. he's given second chances and so are you, so how is that unfair?
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I think you missed my point (or more likely I wasn't inspired enough to make it obvious) - but what I was getting at is that inconsistencies are normal for online message boards, so it's not something worth getting worked up over.
i.e.: You see it, you kind of shrug, and you carry on.
Maybe it's all just cultural differences. I choose to blame the goddamn dutch.
edit: Oh, and the "good natured humorous post" or whatever was probably my only vague example. The rest point to specific posts and their specific content =)
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Testie*
Banned last year and the year before? No complaints about it. Deserved em. And they actually came a bit late.
So, they're pretty lenient here in a lot of cases and this thread has run it's course imo. Here's to hoping we don't see another from someone else within the next 6 months. Because it will just end up being redundant.
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Your old account is unbanned, you posting on Idra's is so confusing. :p
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Oh fine i'll make a new account already. ;p
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I haven't been banned or warned, but that's because I'm a lurker mostly.
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Oh Jesus Christ this has turned nasty!
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On September 05 2006 13:02 CleaR wrote:
fuck all of you i hate this shit place
I thought clear was an awesome guy who made that TL monopoly thread??
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OMG someone deleted a post containing pics of Fayth as an Ewok?
that admin shoud definitelly loose all his powers asap.
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So why'd nony just get temp banned? No way in shit am I reading through 9 pages.
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On September 05 2006 16:51 Drowsy wrote:
So why'd nony just get temp banned? No way in shit am I reading through 9 pages.
On September 05 2006 11:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Had to do it. For the sake of the topic.
not quite sure actually..
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On September 05 2006 16:30 ToT)Testie( wrote:
There.
;p
And three posts already! 
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Oh and I've never been banned or warned.
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On September 05 2006 16:48 skyglow1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 13:02 CleaR wrote:
fuck all of you i hate this shit place I thought clear was an awesome guy who made that TL monopoly thread??
He's not really a unique person, his founders still live. ;p
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I'd say, playing devil's advocate, that you could argue well that the system of preferential treatment towards established posters is a bad one:
1. It kicks out lower-post-count members that make a mistake yet could have stayed on and been productive. Granted, this case probably isn't that common.
2. It forces mods into tricky, subjective decisions about who to ban. Generally, you only have one variable, or how bad the offense was (fairly easy to manage), but when you add the element of the poster's general record, you blur the line significantly more. Blurred lines generate confusion and complaints. Mods might not ban little-contributing posters that they like somewhat, or ban contributing posters that they don't like--personal feelings, although probably surpressed by the good moderator, still play a role. But actually, mods might not even know a poster's record very well, and only have a random (thus potentially skewed) idea of what the poster posts like.
3. Established posters post trash sometimes. This trash is really no different than trash posted by anyone else--it's a bad thing. The current system allows these posters to continue posting as such, at least to a reasonable extent. But again, what is reasonable?
4. Mostly, only established posters have the comfot, if not the leeway, to make elaborate jokes like Hot_Bid's most gosu recent example. Lower-post members are an unexcavated mine, an untapped resource of great comedic gems, but they're restricted by timidity in the face of the system. Granted, some of the timidity comes from not being as familiar with the site and its inhabitants.
Erg, I could think of more if I didn't have my impending schoolwork and good attributes of the system hanging in front of me, obstructing my view. :/
Oh, I've forgotten--are new users required to read the Ten Commandments as they're signing up? If not, maybe it should be in one of the registration pages, eh? Or do people just click a box or something without actually reading, like they do when installing software?
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I though I would get ban like the 1st year I started psoting cuz all I used to do is post when I was stoned and probably all the shit didnt make sense...but then i was friends with crystal and spy so that probably helped..then i kinda grew up and started constributing and posting decent..
I remeber beyonder used to hate that i wasent ban but I never got temp ban or ban.. i dont even think temp bans existed back then
now i just post randomly and try to help people with their computers
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help me with my itunes problem^^
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On September 05 2006 16:48 skyglow1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 13:02 CleaR wrote:
fuck all of you i hate this shit place I thought clear was an awesome guy who made that TL monopoly thread??
nah, it was clear_ with a underscore. he's just an imposter
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 05 2006 20:22 Myrmidon wrote:
1. It kicks out lower-post-count members that make a mistake yet could have stayed on and been productive. Granted, this case probably isn't that common.
I'm gonna say not common. Because we generally don't ban on "a mistake". As a mod, it's VERY easy to look at someone's posting history and find out if it's a pattern or not.
2. It forces mods into tricky, subjective decisions about who to ban. Generally, you only have one variable, or how bad the offense was (fairly easy to manage), but when you add the element of the poster's general record, you blur the line significantly more. Blurred lines generate confusion and complaints. Mods might not ban little-contributing posters that they like somewhat, or ban contributing posters that they don't like--personal feelings, although probably surpressed by the good moderator, still play a role. But actually, mods might not even know a poster's record very well, and only have a random (thus potentially skewed) idea of what the poster posts like.
Again it's very easy to bring up all of a user's posts for us... and generally speaking, if the line is just THAT blurred, we'll either let something slide, do a temp ban, or consult other mods.
3. Established posters post trash sometimes. This trash is really no different than trash posted by anyone else--it's a bad thing. The current system allows these posters to continue posting as such, at least to a reasonable extent. But again, what is reasonable?
That's part of why I like TL.net though, it's meant to be a relaxed environment. And keep in mind, it's not just trash if there is comedic value. Again I can't really stress just how easy it is for us to determine if someone has a HABIT of posting trash and adding nothing to the site, vs if they add to it in some way. I don't think there was a single banning that I've ever disagreed with.
4. Mostly, only established posters have the comfot, if not the leeway, to make elaborate jokes like Hot_Bid's most gosu recent example. Lower-post members are an unexcavated mine, an untapped resource of great comedic gems, but they're restricted by timidity in the face of the system. Granted, some of the timidity comes from not being as familiar with the site and its inhabitants.
Two things about this:
1) I think people SHOULD be a little timid at first until they get a feel for how things are done around here. This is true of not just an internet message board, this is true of everything in life. If you're walking into an established place with an established atmosphere, you're just gonna chill back a bit until you get the flow of things. THEN you start testing your boundries and relax a little because you know what is and is not acceptable. This would be the equivolent of say, to give you an example of something I saw a couple days ago on Labor Day, going with your girlfriend to a family gathering of hers, where you don't know anybody. You're going to be polite and quiet until you start to feel comfortable around everyone. That's just natural. ^_^
2) This does go back to perception; I think it's relatively easy to spot someone who, in less than 100 posts, you can sit back and say, "Wow, I can really see the potential in this guy." Again to give a fresh example, there is a poster here named Asjo who did something a little out of line for the atmosphere of this place... but after looking at his history, and talking via a couple PMs, I could really tell that I wanted him to hang around here, and he has.
Oh, I've forgotten--are new users required to read the Ten Commandments as they're signing up? If not, maybe it should be in one of the registration pages, eh? Or do people just click a box or something without actually reading, like they do when installing software?
I don't think we do, nor should we have to. I hate the idea of having a rigid set of rules, and I think I speak for most (all?) of the other mods when I say that. Hell, even Mensrea's little disclaimer in the 10 Commandments post says basically that. We don't cram rules down your throat, and that, again, is something I love about TL.net.
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I got my "Xeroth" name banned because I made an insensitive comment in the Poland v Germany clanwar thread, in which there was some drama. I was attempting to come off as funny by saying the Germans are used to stomping all over poland and just taking their land, so how is it a big deal, but apparently Erwin didn't think it was funny ;p
Sorry all! t.t
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On September 04 2006 15:00 NonY wrote:
Have you ever been temp-banned or received threats?
no
On September 04 2006 15:00 NonY wrote:
Have you noticed identical content from two posters, one of which is acceptable and the other not (perhaps even resulting in a ban)? Does that bother you?
no
On September 04 2006 15:00 NonY wrote:
Have you noticed anyone who has, at one point, made contributions but by now has probably out-weighed those positive contributions with too many negatives?
probably yes. very subjective matter.
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On September 05 2006 21:27 Aileon wrote:
I got my "Xeroth" name banned because I made an insensitive comment in the Poland v Germany clanwar thread, in which there was some drama. I was attempting to come off as funny by saying the Germans are used to stomping all over poland and just taking their land, so how is it a big deal, but apparently Erwin didn't think it was funny ;p
Sorry all! t.t
HAhaha, that's hilarious, actually.
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On September 05 2006 10:26 IntoTheWow wrote:
You are a ghost!
kekeke
On September 05 2006 11:06 QuietIdiot wrote:
I've gotten temp banned by eri because my friend posted 1000 reasons why god exists and something about shitting thread.
A few people also wanted me banned from the "you-know" what place ><
QUIET shhhh
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On September 05 2006 23:19 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 21:27 Aileon wrote:
I got my "Xeroth" name banned because I made an insensitive comment in the Poland v Germany clanwar thread, in which there was some drama. I was attempting to come off as funny by saying the Germans are used to stomping all over poland and just taking their land, so how is it a big deal, but apparently Erwin didn't think it was funny ;p
Sorry all! t.t HAhaha, that's hilarious, actually.
It's probably a funny thing if you're from America ;o
Joking about a world war where millions of people died is not funny.
Oh and Flaccard, when you intend to post funny degrading pictures, they better be funny. Yours wasn't, plus the fact that you have just been banned doesn't give you a lot of leeway. You posted a degrading picture that wasn't funny at all, so a warning was in order. I like most of your posts though, so just don't fuck up that's all. Look at it like a test or something.
And no, I don't particularly like Testie, I don't hate him, but I don't like him much at all.
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On September 05 2006 16:45 rpf289 wrote:
God, I hate Testie
On September 06 2006 08:45 Twisted wrote:
And no, I don't particularly like Testie, I don't hate him, but I don't like him much at all.
Eh, how very out of the blue.
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On September 06 2006 08:45 Twisted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2006 23:19 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 05 2006 21:27 Aileon wrote:
I got my "Xeroth" name banned because I made an insensitive comment in the Poland v Germany clanwar thread, in which there was some drama. I was attempting to come off as funny by saying the Germans are used to stomping all over poland and just taking their land, so how is it a big deal, but apparently Erwin didn't think it was funny ;p
Sorry all! t.t HAhaha, that's hilarious, actually. It's probably a funny thing if you're from America ;o Joking about a world war where millions of people died is not funny.
For the sake of being bored at work and wanting to add meaningless dialogue to an already too-long thread, I'll have to add to this.
See, the fact that it's a war where all those people died is exactly what makes it funny.
Why do we make AIDS jokes? Why do we make 9/11 and Terri Schiavo jokes? In an age where political correctness has vastly overstepped its bounds, we find taboo humor to be almost refreshing. In fact, if it was decided that we couldn't make WWII jokes because people died, then we'd have to stop making fun of the French for surrendering. Do we really want that?
Certain forms of humor will always have a shock value associated with them, and in that lies much of the potency. It's the same reason we always laugh at racist jokes. We know we shouldn't laugh, but we also know it's completely harmless. Let me put that in context - it's harmless because it's a little chubby kid on the internet (like rpf) making the joke. If the joke was being said by someone in a white robe, it probably wouldn't be as funny.
What I'm getting at is that humor always has to be considered in context. Aileon's post was hilarious. It was hilarious because of the context, the subject matter, and the absolute harmlessness of the post/poster.
Plus, Aileon is a terrorist so it's best to just give him what he wants.
edit: And because it's on topic, I'm gonna explain my mentality when it comes to posting on internet forums.
I got a photo-radar ticket in the mail yesterday. For those who don't know what that is, it's essentially an automatic speeding ticket.
I get these from time to time, so does everyone who doesn't drive like granny. But getting the odd ticket isn't going to change the way I drive. This is because I still consider myself to be an above-average driver - and I'm still going to keep driving the way I do, even if once-in-a-blue-moon someone takes offence to it and issues me a ticket.
That's the thing about simple negative-reinforcement; it doesn't change anything so much as it makes you go 'oh darn' when you get caught.
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On September 06 2006 09:21 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 08:45 Twisted wrote:On September 05 2006 23:19 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On September 05 2006 21:27 Aileon wrote:
I got my "Xeroth" name banned because I made an insensitive comment in the Poland v Germany clanwar thread, in which there was some drama. I was attempting to come off as funny by saying the Germans are used to stomping all over poland and just taking their land, so how is it a big deal, but apparently Erwin didn't think it was funny ;p
Sorry all! t.t HAhaha, that's hilarious, actually. It's probably a funny thing if you're from America ;o Joking about a world war where millions of people died is not funny. For the sake of being bored at work and wanting to add meaningless dialogue to an already too-long thread, I'll have to add to this. See, the fact that it's a war where all those people died is exactly what makes it funny. Why do we make AIDS jokes? Why do we make 9/11 and Terri Schiavo jokes? In an age where political correctness has vastly overstepped its bounds, we find taboo humor to be almost refreshing. In fact, if it was decided that we couldn't make WWII jokes because people died, then we'd have to stop making fun of the French for surrendering. Do we really want that? Certain forms of humor will always have a shock value associated with them, and in that lies much of the potency. It's the same reason we always laugh at racist jokes. We know we shouldn't laugh, but we also know it's completely harmless. Let me put that in context - it's harmless because it's a little chubby kid on the internet (like rpf) making the joke. If the joke was being said by someone in a white robe, it probably wouldn't be as funny. What I'm getting at is that humor always has to be considered in context. Aileon's post was hilarious. It was hilarious because of the context, the subject matter, and the absolute harmlessness of the post/poster. Plus, Aileon is a terrorist so it's best to just give him what he wants.
Exactly. If someone gets banned for making a WWII joke, why are people allowed to stay when they make 9/11 jokes? It's just as offensive depending on where in the globe you reside, but banning someone for it isn't right, imo.
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The thing about humor is that it's completely subjective.
When banning people for bad jokes, people have to remember that it was meant as a joke and put it in context. Remember, what one person sees as crude another person will see as brilliant satire. I guess that's why I disagree on banning on one person's particular take on a single instance of humor.
Just don't use someone's borderline joke as an excuse to feel self-righteous is all. I mean, it's not like it's a flame or anything. Of course, I'm speaking specifically of Aileon's example =p
millions > thousands
But that again points to the subjective nature of humor. Those millions of people are people who none of us have ever met and maybe exist in vacant, forgotten spots on our respective family trees. On the other hand, the events of 9/11 happened recently and there is a chance that some of our American posters lost people they knew or in some way were personally affected by the tragedy.
It's not just a numbers game.
Again, it's all about context.
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Netherlands1301 Posts
Erwin, je weet toch waarom anne frank nooit een vervolg heeft geschreven op het achterhuis?
+ Show Spoiler + ze had te kampen met concentratieproblemen
(this only works in dutch sorry)
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On September 06 2006 09:34 Yuljan wrote:
millions > thousands
No.
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Belgium9947 Posts
On September 06 2006 09:48 Liquid`Spy wrote:
Erwin, je weet toch waarom anne frank nooit een vervolg heeft geschreven op het achterhuis?
(this only works in dutch sorry)
ze had te kampen met concentratieproblemen
haha
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Norway28677 Posts
wtf
of course joking about world war 2 is funny.
it was over more than 60 years ago wtf
and haha I understood spy's joke
well enough to laugh at it anyway, I guess I couldnt literally translate it
:D
banning for making jokes is pretty bad
especially when it's a funny joke, and it was good enough
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Erwin, you know why Anne Frank didn't write a sequel about her house?
She had to fight with concentration problems.
That correct?
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Belgium9947 Posts
On September 06 2006 10:20 Orome wrote:Erwin, you know why Anne Frank didn't write a sequel about her house? She had to fight with concentration problems. That correct?
well he used a not really frequently used word for fighting that means the same as 'to camp'
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Generally the banning policy here is sound.
Its only crack is Fakesteve.
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some ppl don't get banned cuz they are good contribution to the site, but a waste to society
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On September 06 2006 10:59 nArAnjO wrote:
some ppl don't get banned cuz they are good contribution to the site, but a waste to society
<3
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 06 2006 10:59 nArAnjO wrote:
some ppl don't get banned cuz they are good contribution to the site, but a waste to society
Hey now... Leave IntoTheWow out of this please.
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On September 06 2006 11:29 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 10:59 nArAnjO wrote:
some ppl don't get banned cuz they are good contribution to the site, but a waste to society Hey now... Leave IntoTheWow out of this please.
he is just jealous because he is neither :o
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hahahaha why did nony get banned?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 06 2006 12:46 decafchicken wrote:
hahahaha why did nony get banned?
the irony is that stimey got unbanned
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On September 06 2006 12:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 12:46 decafchicken wrote:
hahahaha why did nony get banned? the irony is that stimey got unbanned
Duh, old news. i want to know about NONY
The true irony is this thread and nony getting banned.
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Hmmmm.... trying to think up a reason to make a post which nobody else will think is funny but will make me laugh. MMM I think perm bans are fundamentally unfundamental in that the nature of a ban is to improve the quality of a board, and one cannot, relative to a temp ban, improve a quality by removing a provider of that quality even if that person is temporarily damaging the board with posts detrimental to board, because a temp ban would provide all aforementioned advantages without the also aforementioned effect of permanently removing a provider of quality. Furthermore one would see that the poster can easily return to the board, now with a disposition disposed to unharmonizing the harmony of tl.net, while a temp ban more often causes a redisposing of the disposition to the overall disposition of the board! Now moderators might be predisposed to argument that it is easier to perm ban, but as said above the perm bans often return, and I say that difficulty while explaining why perm bans exist and are used, do not justify their use, and that in a board of the size of tl.net temp bans can keep the difficulty that comes with temp bans over perm bans justifiable.
+ Show Spoiler +
... It is impossible!!! To never tell the truth!!! But the reality is i'm GETTING AWAY WITH A BANNABLE OFFENSE!!!
AHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I feel like banning you for that
Perm ban too!
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On September 06 2006 12:50 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 12:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 06 2006 12:46 decafchicken wrote:
hahahaha why did nony get banned? the irony is that stimey got unbanned Duh, old news. i want to know about NONY The true irony is this thread and nony getting banned.
... if you read the thread, you'd see it was for insulting a dude who wrote pretty neat soccer bios of famous players. They discussed it in here... several times.
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On September 06 2006 13:15 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 12:50 decafchicken wrote:On September 06 2006 12:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 06 2006 12:46 decafchicken wrote:
hahahaha why did nony get banned? the irony is that stimey got unbanned Duh, old news. i want to know about NONY The true irony is this thread and nony getting banned. ... if you read the thread, you'd see it was for insulting a dude who wrote pretty neat soccer bios of famous players. They discussed it in here... several times.
Yea, i didnt feel like reading through 10 pages. But is that for an old ban or is most recent one?
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Canada9720 Posts
-_- is mistaken, that was actually the reason for nony's last tempban.
the reason for his current tempban lies with nazgul's sense of humour.
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On September 06 2006 13:21 CTStalker wrote:
-_- is mistaken, that was actually the reason for nony's last tempban.
the reason for his current tempban lies with nazgul's sense of humour.
I am never mistaken. Only misunderstood
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Well I don't think joking about world war 2 is funny.
At least it doesn't even put a smile on my face. Not that I mind that much, but there could be people that take it completely the wrong way.
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different people have different senses of humor. i thought that joke was pretty hilarious.
some people think everything should be able to be laughed at. others find some things sacred. people step on peoples' toes.
-_- that joke was terrible the first time and so many disposing positions my head almost spun.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 06 2006 13:29 Twisted wrote:
Well I don't think joking about world war 2 is funny.
At least it doesn't even put a smile on my face. Not that I mind that much, but there could be people that take it completely the wrong way.
Hey twisted
hey
are you listening..?
...World War 2
GET IT?
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On September 06 2006 09:41 Flaccid wrote:The thing about humor is that it's completely subjective. When banning people for bad jokes, people have to remember that it was meant as a joke and put it in context. Remember, what one person sees as crude another person will see as brilliant satire. I guess that's why I disagree on banning on one person's particular take on a single instance of humor. Just don't use someone's borderline joke as an excuse to feel self-righteous is all. I mean, it's not like it's a flame or anything. Of course, I'm speaking specifically of Aileon's example =p But that again points to the subjective nature of humor. Those millions of people are people who none of us have ever met and maybe exist in vacant, forgotten spots on our respective family trees. On the other hand, the events of 9/11 happened recently and there is a chance that some of our American posters lost people they knew or in some way were personally affected by the tragedy. It's not just a numbers game. Again, it's all about context.
agreed, I stand corrected on that issue.
It's just that I didn't find it funny, and the tone of the topic probably had to do with the fact that I banned him for it. Honestly I don't even remember that ban lol.
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On September 06 2006 13:29 Twisted wrote:
Well I don't think joking about world war 2 is funny.
At least it doesn't even put a smile on my face. Not that I mind that much, but there could be people that take it completely the wrong way.
In my guild on WOW, we were running MC a few weeks ago and everybody was on ventrilo.
There was this other mage in my guild who was 19 and completely fucking clueless... as far as "having a life" goes. He was terribly unsociable and nerdy, and nobody liked him because he did things like make obnoxcious remarks and laugh at himself.
I hated him more than anyone else really because he thought that he and I were all buddy-buddy.
He also happened to be a jew. In fact, he reminds me of kyle's cousin in south park.
Anyways we were in molten core, and he asked on ventrilo as to whether or not "he was really that annoying."
Nobody wanted to flat out tell him "yes, shut the fuck up," so instead someone remarked "you're just a jew."
So he went on to describe all the things jews have done for civilization. It went something like: "Without jews there would be no medical system in the united states, there would be no comedians, no bankers. Without jews there wouldn't even be christianity!"
To which I replied:
"Without jews there would have been no holocaust D:"
He got quite upset and left the guild the next day.
So, looking back on it, WWII jokes are worth it sometimes.
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Norway28677 Posts
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hahahhaahhahahahahahahahahaha
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I'm surprised a Jew would shell out the 15 bucks a month for WoW.
It must be a free trial or something, in which case you wouldn't have had to put up with him for long.
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is awesome32274 Posts
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On September 06 2006 10:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wtf
of course joking about world war 2 is funny.
it was over more than 60 years ago wtf
and haha I understood spy's joke
well enough to laugh at it anyway, I guess I couldnt literally translate it
:D
banning for making jokes is pretty bad
especially when it's a funny joke, and it was good enough
some jokes are not funny.
like ones about Life Goes On.
BUT NOT FOR ALLIYAH~~~
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i can't ever recall being banned, temp banned, or warned.
i think that just supports my arguement that there are alot of closet homosexuals around.
someone obviously likes having me here.
edit - cock
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On September 12 2006 00:12 Teroru wrote:
i can't ever recall being banned, temp banned, or warned.
i think that just supports my arguement that there are alot of closet homosexuals around.
someone obviously likes having me here.
edit - cock
we want names!
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
I dont think ive been warned or banned ever ive been here a long time. Im old and cant spell or punctuate woth a poop. I can do amazing things with coins and spongeballs and cigs,thoguh im still herehow who knows. My spelling alone could do me in sometimes.I try not to troll, and the only time i think i lost my cool was to baal up above cause well.....nvm its over.
For me its all about this game i really really like to play in my little free time.And for some reason ive found a place to nestle.Even if you guys have no clue im here ^_^ thanx to you Naz,Meat and all mods i enjoy you all. Its crazy 2002 i joined ^^ so weird.
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This is how you joke about the war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Germans
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fawlty_Towers
If some of you are too young to have seen it, go find it somewhere "legal"
A sample:
[Basil returns to the Germans.]
Basil: So! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it. So, that's two egg mayonnaise, a prawn Goebbels, a Hermann Goering, and four Colditz salads.
[The younger Frau is sobbing openly now, consoled by the elder Herr.]
Basil: Now, wait a minute. Well, I got a bit confused here. Sorry! I got a bit confused, 'cause everyone keeps mentioning the war. So, could you— what's the matter?
Elder Herr: It's all right.
Basil: Is there something wrong?
Elder Herr: Will you stop talking about the war?!
Basil: ME?! You started it!
Elder Herr: We did not start it!
Basil: Yes you did — you invaded Poland.
Notice that the jokes are on the big guys, not little girl in concentration camps, a hint to whoever it was that posted it.
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On September 12 2006 01:23 FuDDx wrote:
I try not to troll, and the only time i think i lost my cool was to baal up above cause well.....nvm its over.
my joke was genius and ive been waiting patiently for more offspring cuz its going to be hillarious :D
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i got banned and i have really no idea why since i was coming here only to dl reps lol
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Never been banned.
But I've noticed a couple really high-echelon users getting temp banned or even banned recently, and I wonder if it's possible to give us explanation in that Ban Topic on why people were banned.
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Perma-banned once. My old account "sooothe".
This is the first and only forum I've been a member at, so it was a learning process. I made some joke about rekrul, and got all my posts nuked. I didn't know at the time that rekrul was an infamous destroyer of souls here at TL.net. I simply should've known better!
Also one time Manifesto7 yelled at me in a thread and I thought for sure I was getting banned. Yeah I was being retarded and deserved it, but I felt bad because I really admired him. Actually, I was semi-obsessed with him, I watched all his RWA's and stuff, 'thought he was so cool!
I'd like to think I provide some good content here, I try to help other posters with computer problems, be funny, etc. I usually read over my posts before hitting the "Post" button, and many many times, I don't post what I write because I'm too compulsory when I write sometimes.
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On September 12 2006 00:12 Teroru wrote:
i can't ever recall being banned, temp banned, or warned.
i think that just supports my arguement that there are alot of closet homosexuals around.
someone obviously likes having me here.
edit - cock
They're just worried that banning you would be seen as an act of discrimination ;-)
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yeah, they'd get assaulted for hatecrimes or some shit :-p
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On September 12 2006 06:49 HeadBangaa wrote:
Actually, I was semi-obsessed with him, I watched all his RWA's and stuff, 'thought he was so cool!
I think we all get a semi-hardon just thinking about Trevor.
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On September 12 2006 06:49 HeadBangaa wrote:
Also one time Manifesto7 yelled at me in a thread and I thought for sure I was getting banned. Yeah I was being retarded and deserved it, but I felt bad because I really admired him. Actually, I was semi-obsessed with him, I watched all his RWA's and stuff, 'thought he was so cool!
Haha. Little did you know....
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On September 12 2006 09:34 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2006 00:12 Teroru wrote:
i can't ever recall being banned, temp banned, or warned.
i think that just supports my arguement that there are alot of closet homosexuals around.
someone obviously likes having me here.
edit - cock They're just worried that banning you would be seen as an act of discrimination ;-)
i was wonering if that might have some influence as well.
But then i thought of rekrul and tossed the idea.
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
On September 12 2006 04:54 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2006 01:23 FuDDx wrote:
I try not to troll, and the only time i think i lost my cool was to baal up above cause well.....nvm its over.
my joke was genius and ive been waiting patiently for more offspring cuz its going to be hillarious :D
o my god well heres fuel im having a boy hes due oct. 10th ^^
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Osaka27149 Posts
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A boy eh?
He'll do.
/and it begins.
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On September 12 2006 00:11 Teroru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2006 10:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wtf
of course joking about world war 2 is funny.
it was over more than 60 years ago wtf
and haha I understood spy's joke
well enough to laugh at it anyway, I guess I couldnt literally translate it
:D
banning for making jokes is pretty bad
especially when it's a funny joke, and it was good enough
some jokes are not funny. like ones about Life Goes On. BUT NOT FOR ALLIYAH~~~
TT...Aaliyah was hot.
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i'm almost positive that nobody notices me on this site. many of my posts are neither great or bad. sometimes i wish someone would just respond to my posts so that i knew that they were noticed. i'm pretty much a lurker, but i have been reading TLnet for longer than most people have been posting, i remember when stimey FIRST came. it was way before i even created an account.
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