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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:08:13
November 22 2013 20:07 GMT
#1841
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport, and you really have to appreciate the theorizing to fill the gaps.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:20:24
November 22 2013 20:19 GMT
#1842
On November 23 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport.

Yeah.

It's like Starcraft - you cannot possibly enjoy watching it unless you play it and understand basic strategical concepts. But even without the commentary, I think it might be enjoyable from educational point of view, if people switched off their engines and tried to guess moves / calculate variations on their own. Sadly, to many people seem to only be interested who is ahead in a given point, so they will just use engine evaluations anyway. But as for myself, I kinda enjoyed comparing my own analysis with the actual play of Anand and Carlsen and the whole, twisted logic behind it. Makes you realize the size of skill cap.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18004 Posts
November 22 2013 20:22 GMT
#1843
On November 23 2013 05:19 wingpawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport.

Yeah.

It's like Starcraft - you cannot possibly enjoy watching it unless you play it and understand basic strategical concepts. But even without the commentary, I think it might be enjoyable from educational point of view, if people switched off their engines and tried to guess moves / calculate variations on their own. Sadly, to many people seem to only be interested who is ahead in a given point, so they will just use engine evaluations anyway. But as for myself, I kinda enjoyed comparing my own analysis with the actual play of Anand and Carlsen and the whole, twisted logic behind it. Makes you realize the size of skill cap.


I'd argue it's worse than starcraft for a random passer-by: at least starcraft is quick, and has explosions
5c0rp10n
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 21:37:26
November 22 2013 21:33 GMT
#1844
this series was the first professional series i ever watched of chess. even though i have no strategical background i really enjoyed watching it! the commentators explained possible moves really well so i kind of got into it. i started watching because i wanted to know how many moves the players can think ahead. i will definitely watch other chess tournaments for sure!
| NaNiwa | CJ`herO |
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
November 22 2013 21:36 GMT
#1845
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Yes.That's why i put action in quotation marks.
This is our town, scrub
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 22 2013 23:20 GMT
#1846
Congrats to Carlsen!! I will miss the championships.

Also, no more awkward interviews!! They should have allowed Tania to conduct it.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4558 Posts
November 23 2013 00:50 GMT
#1847
I played competitive chess for 10 years and think chess is the most boring thing to watch live.
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 01:07:38
November 23 2013 01:07 GMT
#1848
On November 23 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport, and you really have to appreciate the theorizing to fill the gaps.

agreed. i think chess is a perfect sport to watch or listen to on livestream while doing something else as well. browsing the web and switching to the stream whenever a move is made or an interesting variation is discussed by a commentator is the way to go.


anyway, congratz magnus, he finally claimed the throne that has been waiting for a long time.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
CHiPZ
Profile Joined November 2011
Liechtenstein38 Posts
November 23 2013 03:46 GMT
#1849
GG
Congrats for Carlsen
Words have no power.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 23 2013 04:05 GMT
#1850
On November 23 2013 10:07 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport, and you really have to appreciate the theorizing to fill the gaps.

agreed. i think chess is a perfect sport to watch or listen to on livestream while doing something else as well. browsing the web and switching to the stream whenever a move is made or an interesting variation is discussed by a commentator is the way to go.


anyway, congratz magnus, he finally claimed the throne that has been waiting for a long time.


Agreed. There's also rapid events, like the upcoming London Classic. They had streams the last two years, with players joining the analysis after their game finished. I think it has the potential to be huge this year.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
November 23 2013 09:37 GMT
#1851
On November 23 2013 13:05 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 10:07 Black Gun wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:07 Acrofales wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:04 NIJ wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On November 23 2013 01:31 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Its been awesome to follow this championship as a Norwegian. The viewership the match has gotten is insane. It beat prestige football matches (Or soccer as some would call it) here. I just hope chess becomes more mainstream, and it might considering its a perfect format to watch/follow online (I am one of those that believe TV is a dying medium).

What do you guys think, will it remain a niché sport?


Unfortunately I dont think so because populars sports need "action".

Chess has plenty of actions happening on board, but its not apparent to non players. What mainstream sports/games has over non mainstreams like chess is that its easier to spot and appreciate the actions happening. And physical prowess like running thru wall of defending players to score a touch down is as intuitive as it can get for people. Sacing a queen get position and momentum advantage to win isn't.

Well, without analysts going over possible lines, a casual viewer is going to be really really bored while players sit there and think for 20 minutes. Even with analysts, it's not a great spectator sport, and you really have to appreciate the theorizing to fill the gaps.

agreed. i think chess is a perfect sport to watch or listen to on livestream while doing something else as well. browsing the web and switching to the stream whenever a move is made or an interesting variation is discussed by a commentator is the way to go.


anyway, congratz magnus, he finally claimed the throne that has been waiting for a long time.


Agreed. There's also rapid events, like the upcoming London Classic. They had streams the last two years, with players joining the analysis after their game finished. I think it has the potential to be huge this year.


Match play is not spectator-friendly because there's only one game happening at a time. Usually the format is more like a tournament or league where there are 5, 10, or even 50 games happening at once, so there is inevitably something interesting happening at one of the tables for the commentators to focus on. I find the US Chess League especially fun to watch because there are so many games, and also more drama since the players are mostly IM strength.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
November 23 2013 09:49 GMT
#1852
gg carlsen, grats!
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 23 2013 10:10 GMT
#1853
Congratulations to Carlsen, pretty great match and he played really really well.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
November 23 2013 10:58 GMT
#1854
Ladies and gentlemen, your new World Chess Champion!

"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 23 2013 11:03 GMT
#1855
Congrats Carlsen! Well deserved win!
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 23 2013 20:14 GMT
#1856
On November 23 2013 19:58 oBlade wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, your new World Chess Champion!

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykwP3bjT2g

haha, that top 1 control
jjakji fan
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
November 24 2013 04:53 GMT
#1857
This is the first time I ever actively followed chess, and it was pretty damn fun actually.

How do you guys follow this sport? Are there other big tournaments around the year? Do they get televised or streamed?
For Aiur???
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 24 2013 05:40 GMT
#1858
There are tons! chessbase.com (chess news), chessgames.com (probably the biggest database of games? Along with many other features), and chess.com (chess community and other features) are just a few websites with multitudes of information.

I don't know about televised or streamed, though, hopefully someone else can help out.
jjakji fan
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 24 2013 06:58 GMT
#1859
It's streamed, either as a radio show with an associated analysis board or a videostream. Live footage of the event is still relatively rare though, the most you'll usually get is a low quality shot of the boards.

I watch on ICC, they have live coverage for the large tournaments. Past the first month you have to pay for membership though. I know other sites also have some broadcasts, but since I never watch them I'm not sure what tournaments they cover.

The next big tournament's going to be the world chess team championship Nov. 26th. - Dec. 5th. Anand and Carlsen won't be there, but many other elite players will.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
November 24 2013 09:32 GMT
#1860
On November 23 2013 19:58 oBlade wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, your new World Chess Champion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykwP3bjT2g


That dude has balls of steel.
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