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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 18 2013 11:40 GMT
#1301
Lol Susan Polgar loves Carlsen playing other sports, making like ten mentions of it
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4620 Posts
November 18 2013 11:51 GMT
#1302
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PEW PEW ANAND
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
November 18 2013 12:19 GMT
#1303
The production on the press conference is terrible.

There are so many millions watching - why not capitalize?
Playgu
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2064 Posts
November 18 2013 12:34 GMT
#1304
This is first time I'm closely following a longer chess series, got a couple of questions:

How has Anand played in previous longer series? Is he actually capable of varying his style and adapting further than he has shown this time?

So far what I've picked up about Anand is that he's a very analtyical and well prepared player, but also shines on dynamic midgame situations. Are we expecting him to pull off something a bit more crazy in the midgame or so?
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 18 2013 12:52 GMT
#1305
On November 18 2013 21:34 Bacillus wrote:
This is first time I'm closely following a longer chess series, got a couple of questions:

How has Anand played in previous longer series? Is he actually capable of varying his style and adapting further than he has shown this time?

So far what I've picked up about Anand is that he's a very analtyical and well prepared player, but also shines on dynamic midgame situations. Are we expecting him to pull off something a bit more crazy in the midgame or so?

Anand - Kasparov WCh Match, 1995

This is the only longer WCh match Anand played in. But it was against Kasparov and Vishy wasn't at his peak yet.

However, in Anand - Kramnik WCh Match, 2008, Vishy took his chances mostly with Black pieces and prevailed +3 =7 -1, showing really kickass play. Perhaps there's a chance now, at least in one game, that he will be able to do something with Black again. After all, out of 5 games remaining, he has 3 games with that color to go.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 13:15:38
November 18 2013 13:14 GMT
#1306
On November 18 2013 11:39 Oshuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:32 ch33psh33p wrote:
On November 18 2013 05:29 Yurie wrote:
On November 18 2013 04:15 mihajovics wrote:
so the only question remains...
how many decades of Carlsen domination will we see? He already broke Kasparov's record of highest rating, now it's time to break his record of being #1 on the rating list.


Every single generation breaks the rating record. There is inflation in the system.


...

Are you serious.


Reasons for this inflation are unclear, but the inflation itself is real. If you look at the average ELO of the top 100, it shows a steady increase.
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In that sense, it is not surprising to have a new top ELO every generation.

What makes the Fisher, Kasparov or Carlsen numbers "survive" for some time is the gap between those players and the rest of the field.
- Fisher was #1 with 2760 ELO in 1972, 70points over #2 at the time (Spassky), he was the first over 2700.
- Kasparov reached 2851 in 2000, 80points over #2 at the time (Kramnik), he was the first over 2800
- Carlsen had a 75 points lead to #2 (Kramnik again) at 2870 in october. He might get 2900 (would probably need the rest of the top 10 to get to 2800+ to feed those points)

There are 2 ways to get the ELO record: Be the best by a small margin when the curve leads you to the mark, or crush all opposition by a large margin and get there ahead of time. Those 3 have done it by getting far ahead, but even if no new genius comes after Carlsen to crush the field, his current rating could still be average for top 10 in 20 years.
(Fisher's 2760 would barely get him in today's top 10)

And of course, an absolute ELO value is by no means a "level" estimate (since it's only a comparison to current players), so the record itself is meaningless.

That said, go Anand, win one before it's over !



There are 2 very, very clear reasons for this.

#1: The players of today are simply better than the players of 50 years ago (This is pretty damned obvious with the ability to study with computers far better than anything we've seen even 20 years ago, opening theory is also a lot more refined). Keep in mind you can go back and study old games with computer analysis for very definitive proof of this being true.

#2: There are A LOT more players. Every time a new player is introduced in the ELO system, you get inflation. If 1 million 2000 or lower ELO players were to suddenly appear out of nowhere the people hovering above 2000+ would suddenly see a massive inflation boost because there are suddenly 1 million players they are better than and can leach rating off of. For every person worse than you, that's the ability for a world champion to have a higher rating cap in general, swiss style. However I do not personally believe that Chess has expanded by that much over the last 50 or so years, if anyone has statistics on chess playrate I'd love to see it!
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
November 18 2013 13:25 GMT
#1307
But why didn't the ratings increase from 1975 to 1985?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 18 2013 13:29 GMT
#1308
Figgy, one factor is that not so long ago, FIDE decreased the minimum ELO rating level, which obviously introduced many new players to the pool.

That's relatively recent though, doesn't explain much of the inflation.
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 18 2013 13:49 GMT
#1309
It's called “Elo” for heaven's sake. It is not an acronym and you do not have to shout it.
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 18 2013 14:30 GMT
#1310
Kasparov:
"What to say about game 7? Anand played like he's the one with a two game lead and an advantage in quiet positions."
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
November 18 2013 15:46 GMT
#1311
loved the question at the end about when Magnus experienced nerves. The reporter didn't seem to get that Magnus didn't want to answer, and Magnus: "yes, that's quite ambitious of you." Such a graceful answer hahaha.
For Aiur???
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 18 2013 16:39 GMT
#1312
Poll: What was the worst game to watch so far?

Game 1 (17)
 
65%

Game 7 (8)
 
31%

Game 2 (1)
 
4%

26 total votes

Your vote: What was the worst game to watch so far?

(Vote): Game 1
(Vote): Game 2
(Vote): Game 7

Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
November 18 2013 22:33 GMT
#1313
that press conference was a little bit painful to watch. poor Anand, he seems almost broken.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
November 19 2013 06:27 GMT
#1314
yesh, Anand's gotta be a magician to pull this one back at this point
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 19 2013 07:00 GMT
#1315
Poll: What was the most exciting game so far?

Game 6 ( Berlin with 4. d3) (4)
 
50%

Game 4 (Berlin) (3)
 
38%

Game 5 ( Semi-Slav) (1)
 
13%

Game 3 (King's Indian) (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: What was the most exciting game so far?

(Vote): Game 3 (King's Indian)
(Vote): Game 4 (Berlin)
(Vote): Game 5 ( Semi-Slav)
(Vote): Game 6 ( Berlin with 4. d3)


Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
November 19 2013 09:29 GMT
#1316
Poll: Game 8 Prediction? (Carlsen plays as White)

Draw (Boring) (8)
 
44%

Carlsen Wins (Barely) (4)
 
22%

Draw (Great Game) (4)
 
22%

Anand Wins (Barely) (1)
 
6%

Anand Wins (Crushes) (1)
 
6%

Carlsen Wins (Crushes) (0)
 
0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Game 8 Prediction? (Carlsen plays as White)

(Vote): Carlsen Wins (Barely)
(Vote): Anand Wins (Barely)
(Vote): Draw (Boring)
(Vote): Carlsen Wins (Crushes)
(Vote): Anand Wins (Crushes)
(Vote): Draw (Great Game)

Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
November 19 2013 09:36 GMT
#1317
Voted for boring draw, just because because that's the most likely outcome in average (at world championships) imho. Not hoping for it ofc, I'd much rather see a close anand win to make it exciting again.
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 19 2013 09:45 GMT
#1318
I voted Draw (Great Game). The only boring draws have been game 1 & 2 in my opinion, but even then I felt they were important in the context of opening games of WCC. With a challenger that is only 22 years old we shouldn't expect anything else.

Of course, yesterday's draw was in a disappointing style, but Carlsen showed excellent defense. Anand is probably cautious against coming out in disadvantage after mid-game, and after two losses I think he was content with stabilizing.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
November 19 2013 09:46 GMT
#1319
Magnus hasn't even used 3 min on these moves.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 19 2013 09:47 GMT
#1320
15 moves in <3 minutes... Magnus is in a hurry today
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