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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
November 16 2013 14:46 GMT
#1141
Fair question? You can't be serious.

Do you think he has a special drink prepared in case he loses 2 games? Maybe a dolphin mascot he'll take a swim with? Of fuckin course he'll do his best, there's nothing else TO do.

Jesus christ I hate sports "journalists" more than anything. Just an endless stream of dumb questions.

"How do you feel after practically winning the world championships, Magnus?"

Very hard to figure that one out.
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Ravnemesteren
Profile Joined May 2011
224 Posts
November 16 2013 14:54 GMT
#1142
On November 16 2013 23:43 wingpawn wrote:
Games 3 and 4 were really great, particularily because Anand played to his strengths: he created rich middlegames with lively tactics and Carlsen had to solve difficult problems.

Games 5 and 6 were totally opposite: it was lame play by Vishy, simplifying down the even position, making tiny concessions in the process and going down in worse endgames.

I really don't know what happened during that 2nd rest day, but it seems that the World Champion started to play worse chess when he came back from it on Friday.


Well, you have to consider one thing. Magnus is known for squeaking out these wins in the lategame. And one of the reasons for that is that Magnus' style revolves around injecting new life into the game, time and time again, injecting new problems for the opponent to solve. This increases the chance of the opponent miscalculating, especially since Magnus is a genius when it comes to calculation.

I actually think this format fits Carlsen more than any other player.
kaos00
Profile Joined September 2010
United States125 Posts
November 16 2013 15:03 GMT
#1143
On November 16 2013 23:54 Ravnemesteren wrote:I actually think this format fits Carlsen more than any other player.


If what you think is true, then it'd be scary to think how long Carlsen will be world champion.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
November 16 2013 15:09 GMT
#1144
On November 17 2013 00:03 kaos00 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 23:54 Ravnemesteren wrote:I actually think this format fits Carlsen more than any other player.


If what you think is true, then it'd be scary to think how long Carlsen will be world champion.

until some 6 year old superhuman is discovered in the amazon with even greater intelligence than von neumann, kasparov, and da vinci combined, and by 15 who reaches fide 9001 and destroys everything before suffering from a nervous breakdown before being recalled back by its alien overlords from a galaxy far far away

right then
the throws never bothered me anyway
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 16 2013 15:17 GMT
#1145
until flash starts looking for a new hobby
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
November 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#1146
On November 17 2013 00:09 peidongyang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 00:03 kaos00 wrote:
On November 16 2013 23:54 Ravnemesteren wrote:I actually think this format fits Carlsen more than any other player.


If what you think is true, then it'd be scary to think how long Carlsen will be world champion.

until some 6 year old superhuman is discovered in the amazon with even greater intelligence than von neumann, kasparov, and da vinci combined, and by 15 who reaches fide 9001 and destroys everything before suffering from a nervous breakdown before being recalled back by its alien overlords from a galaxy far far away

right then


I wonder how he will feel that day. Better get some journalists on the case.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
November 16 2013 15:54 GMT
#1147
On November 17 2013 00:17 shadymmj wrote:
until flash starts looking for a new hobby

thank you
This is our town, scrub
FalconHoof
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada183 Posts
November 16 2013 16:10 GMT
#1148
This has been so much fun to watch! MAGNUS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Masturbation this good deserves it's own foreplay.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 16 2013 16:17 GMT
#1149
On November 16 2013 23:54 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 23:43 wingpawn wrote:
Games 3 and 4 were really great, particularily because Anand played to his strengths: he created rich middlegames with lively tactics and Carlsen had to solve difficult problems.

Games 5 and 6 were totally opposite: it was lame play by Vishy, simplifying down the even position, making tiny concessions in the process and going down in worse endgames.

I really don't know what happened during that 2nd rest day, but it seems that the World Champion started to play worse chess when he came back from it on Friday.


Well, you have to consider one thing. Magnus is known for squeaking out these wins in the lategame. And one of the reasons for that is that Magnus' style revolves around injecting new life into the game, time and time again, injecting new problems for the opponent to solve. This increases the chance of the opponent miscalculating, especially since Magnus is a genius when it comes to calculation.

I actually think this format fits Carlsen more than any other player.

Yes, but my point was that Anand's decision to simplify for endgames wasn't made because Carlsen forced him to do so; it was entirely voluntary and in fact, resulted with making permanent pawn weaknesses in both games. Strategically, this is about the worst thing a GM can do when confronting an endgame beast like Magnus.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
November 16 2013 16:33 GMT
#1150
I have a serious question (no trolling) to all chess people here:
How can you find passion in a game in which a computer is better than a human being? Why does this not prevent you from enjoying this, if it's demystified so easily?

I enjoy team games very much and tried to get into chess but motivation left me because i always knew that the most profitable moves can be calculated via computer. I really wish this was not the case.
the game is the game
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 16 2013 16:38 GMT
#1151
As a guy with no bias in this case, I will say that Magnus definitely is the better player.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
siri
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal129 Posts
November 16 2013 16:49 GMT
#1152
On November 17 2013 01:33 kusto wrote:
I have a serious question (no trolling) to all chess people here:
How can you find passion in a game in which a computer is better than a human being? Why does this not prevent you from enjoying this, if it's demystified so easily?

I enjoy team games very much and tried to get into chess but motivation left me because i always knew that the most profitable moves can be calculated via computer. I really wish this was not the case.



So usan bolt should quit because rabbits run faster than him?

Phelps should quit because dolphins swim faster?

And btw, sc2 is not for you then



What a dumb mindset
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2279 Posts
November 16 2013 16:49 GMT
#1153
On November 17 2013 01:33 kusto wrote:
I have a serious question (no trolling) to all chess people here:
How can you find passion in a game in which a computer is better than a human being? Why does this not prevent you from enjoying this, if it's demystified so easily?


There isn't a lot of games where a computer isn't stronger than a human being, the main difference is for chess, people are/were interested to develop it. If you give money, time and manpower to produce it, any computer will destroy everyone in Starcraft/DotA/whatever the game is.

What I love about chess is thinking about lines and answers by myself.
If you use computers as a tool to be better and not as a mean to win games without using your own brain, I don't see why you wouldn't enjoy it.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
November 16 2013 17:11 GMT
#1154
Thanks a lot for this, OP! What a game from Carlsen that last one!
화이팅
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 16 2013 17:13 GMT
#1155
On November 17 2013 01:49 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:33 kusto wrote:
I have a serious question (no trolling) to all chess people here:
How can you find passion in a game in which a computer is better than a human being? Why does this not prevent you from enjoying this, if it's demystified so easily?


There isn't a lot of games where a computer isn't stronger than a human being, the main difference is for chess, people are/were interested to develop it. If you give money, time and manpower to produce it, any computer will destroy everyone in Starcraft/DotA/whatever the game is.

What I love about chess is thinking about lines and answers by myself.
If you use computers as a tool to be better and not as a mean to win games without using your own brain, I don't see why you wouldn't enjoy it.


It is true, but it is way harder in those games and with the current power of pc's i don't think that would really be viable.
That being said i don't understand his question either, with unlimited ressources pc's will be better than humans in everything, so yeah.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Araneae
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway100 Posts
November 16 2013 17:18 GMT
#1156
On November 17 2013 01:38 Arnstein wrote:
As a guy with no bias in this case, I will say that Magnus definitely is the better player.

As another guy with no bias at all, I agree.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1940 Posts
November 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#1157
Just out of curiosity, are there any fair play rules or such for prolonging games in chess?

Even if Carlsen hadn't found any winning combinations in today's game, the long endgame still probably benefited him by putting Anand under huge mental and emotional strain for hours. Are such mind games considered fair or is there some unwritten rule about it?

Personally I'm definitely fine with rather brutal and pushy mind games and all that, but I can also understand there might be reasons why it isn't considered gentlemanly conduct.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:35:51
November 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#1158
No, you don't need to draw as long as their is still sufficient material on the board. One exception is the "50 move rule" that most tournaments employ, which says that after 50 moves without a pawn move or any exchange of material a game is drawn. to avoid endless games where people without winning chances just move around and no one wants to do anything decisive.

And although it has been common in Grandmaster games to agree on a draw in theoretical drawn endgames, nowadays the trend is shifting to just grinding games out, especially because many people see how successful Carlsen is in "drawn" endgames.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
November 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#1159
Is what you described a mindgame? It sounds to me like simply playing the game.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 16 2013 17:44 GMT
#1160
All the post-game analyses for game 6 are up already.
Check the first page of this thread.
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