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LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#341
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#342
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.

I think it was noted that Anand had never replied g6 before, I think that probably threw off the preparation.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
November 09 2013 22:29 GMT
#343
On November 10 2013 07:21 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.

I think it was noted that Anand had never replied g6 before, I think that probably threw off the preparation.

I hope for Carlsen's sake he didn't gamble everything on this one opening for white only to have it be refuted by one move like that.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 22:50:39
November 09 2013 22:45 GMT
#344
On November 09 2013 21:10 mihajovics wrote:
Ne4 isn't necessarily a better move, but unlike Nd5 it avoids the possibility of a semi-forced draw and keeps up the pressure. That is improvement in it's self.

well Qb3 is an obvious candidate to c5

there is a huuuge difference in not risking a loss in game 1 at the World Championship and practically forcing a draw on move 11 (ELEVEN, Nd5 was on move 11)

this is just disrespectful to the game, to the viewers... killing esposrts, i mean chess.
btw I like the way draws works and dislike the Sophia rules etc...
remember the first EPIC Kasparov-Karpov match had 40 (!) draws in it, but it was a bloodbath, a mental survival game where they btw reinvented modern opening theory on the way

the standard PR anwser after such short draws is utter crap.
"oh, how gentlemanly of you kind sir, an exchange of ideas and information" --- i'm about to vomit.
have some fcking balls if you want to be World Champion and have some fighting spirit and a killer instinct.

most anticipated match since Fischer-Spassky??? LOL they're not even in the same class.


P.S.: actually they are like my 2 favorite players, but they should srsly get their shit together



...Ne4 does nothing that ...Nd5 doesn't. The exact same draw as in the game is still possible. 11. Qb3 12. Be6 and best case white ends up in an extremely drawish endgame. The players do what they think will give them the best chance to win the match. Stop complaining so much.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 09 2013 22:51 GMT
#345
On November 10 2013 07:29 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 07:21 Plexa wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.

I think it was noted that Anand had never replied g6 before, I think that probably threw off the preparation.

I hope for Carlsen's sake he didn't gamble everything on this one opening for white only to have it be refuted by one move like that.

Well I expect that it was less analysed leading to 9. Nc3 as opposed Nd2 (Nc3 doesn't look 'that' bad for white until a few moves in, where the position is quite unclear and difficult to analyse imo). I think 1. Nf3 is a nice fishing opening for white as it gives a bit of insight as to how black wishes to play (c5 vs d5 vs other stuff) and is a clever choice to start the series.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 10 2013 01:01 GMT
#346
On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 10 2013 01:32 GMT
#347
On November 10 2013 10:01 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."


So you think Carlsen did well on his preparation for his first game and played a good opening based on his preparation? I may not have phrased it as strongly as that tweet, but I think Carlsen and his team do deserve some criticism for the way he played the first game. He seemed very unprepared for what Anand played, and I think that does call into question how well they prepared during the past months. I think if you are going to play a certain opening, you should study most of the common replies, even if Anand doesn't usually play that way. Carlsen seemed very taken aback by the replies of Anand, and that just shouldn't happen.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#348
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

lol, says Nakamura, who has never won against Carlson in a classical game;
current score: Carlson 7 : 0 Nakamura
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#349
On November 10 2013 10:32 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:01 hypercube wrote:
On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."


So you think Carlsen did well on his preparation for his first game and played a good opening based on his preparation? I may not have phrased it as strongly as that tweet, but I think Carlsen and his team do deserve some criticism for the way he played the first game. He seemed very unprepared for what Anand played, and I think that does call into question how well they prepared during the past months. I think if you are going to play a certain opening, you should study most of the common replies, even if Anand doesn't usually play that way. Carlsen seemed very taken aback by the replies of Anand, and that just shouldn't happen.


They probably studied all replies Anand had played before and some he didn't. Maybe they just literally didn't find anything in this line, or didn't get round to studying it in depth. It's ok to have some lines where you can't show an advantage or maybe even have to accept a forced draw with white. The point is to have some of your preparation pay off, not to get something out of the opening every time.

Incidentally, the difference between getting a forced draw or an equal position out of the opening is minuscule. So it's not like this was some sort of disaster for Carlsen.

I'm thinking people aren't too bothered about the objective outcome for Carlsen. A draw is always the most likely result for any given game. They are annoyed they didn't get what they wanted out of the game. Which is ok, but then just say that. Don't criticize Carlsen's preparation: it's goal is to maximize his chances of winning the match not to entertain you.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#350
On November 10 2013 06:54 Sokrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


I dont know much about chess, but that also applies very much to sc2. Like a 6pool against a player you know will go CC first on the lowground 95% of the time. If he doesnt you look really stupid :D.

Agree with both of you. I think Nakamura is being a bit brash (which is how one might expect our American Hero to behave though I know little about high level chess and its players). I doubt Carlsen and his team are screwing around for the WCC, and that he isn't making every move for a reason. But equally, Anand and his team are preparing just as much, and given Anand's history of defending his WCC title, this dude knows how to prepare.
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LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 10 2013 02:49 GMT
#351
On November 10 2013 11:01 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:32 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:01 hypercube wrote:
On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."


So you think Carlsen did well on his preparation for his first game and played a good opening based on his preparation? I may not have phrased it as strongly as that tweet, but I think Carlsen and his team do deserve some criticism for the way he played the first game. He seemed very unprepared for what Anand played, and I think that does call into question how well they prepared during the past months. I think if you are going to play a certain opening, you should study most of the common replies, even if Anand doesn't usually play that way. Carlsen seemed very taken aback by the replies of Anand, and that just shouldn't happen.


They probably studied all replies Anand had played before and some he didn't. Maybe they just literally didn't find anything in this line, or didn't get round to studying it in depth. It's ok to have some lines where you can't show an advantage or maybe even have to accept a forced draw with white. The point is to have some of your preparation pay off, not to get something out of the opening every time.

Incidentally, the difference between getting a forced draw or an equal position out of the opening is minuscule. So it's not like this was some sort of disaster for Carlsen.

I'm thinking people aren't too bothered about the objective outcome for Carlsen. A draw is always the most likely result for any given game. They are annoyed they didn't get what they wanted out of the game. Which is ok, but then just say that. Don't criticize Carlsen's preparation: it's goal is to maximize his chances of winning the match not to entertain you.


This just in: drawing with white maximizes your chances of winning the match.

I am going to criticize Carlsen's preparation and he clearly deserves it. Nobody is perfect and we all know Carlsen's biggest weakness is the opening. To disagree with this makes you sound like a desperate fanboy.

Also, I am not disappointed to not be entertained, I'm actually glad that Anand showed so well and I am very excited for him! Nice try at misrepresenting me though!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
nFo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada56 Posts
November 10 2013 03:48 GMT
#352
Hey in your guess the move for game 1, the solution for black not drawing has Qa2 as a move, but there is a white pawn on that square.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 10 2013 04:30 GMT
#353
On November 10 2013 11:49 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 11:01 hypercube wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:32 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:01 hypercube wrote:
On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."


So you think Carlsen did well on his preparation for his first game and played a good opening based on his preparation? I may not have phrased it as strongly as that tweet, but I think Carlsen and his team do deserve some criticism for the way he played the first game. He seemed very unprepared for what Anand played, and I think that does call into question how well they prepared during the past months. I think if you are going to play a certain opening, you should study most of the common replies, even if Anand doesn't usually play that way. Carlsen seemed very taken aback by the replies of Anand, and that just shouldn't happen.


They probably studied all replies Anand had played before and some he didn't. Maybe they just literally didn't find anything in this line, or didn't get round to studying it in depth. It's ok to have some lines where you can't show an advantage or maybe even have to accept a forced draw with white. The point is to have some of your preparation pay off, not to get something out of the opening every time.

Incidentally, the difference between getting a forced draw or an equal position out of the opening is minuscule. So it's not like this was some sort of disaster for Carlsen.

I'm thinking people aren't too bothered about the objective outcome for Carlsen. A draw is always the most likely result for any given game. They are annoyed they didn't get what they wanted out of the game. Which is ok, but then just say that. Don't criticize Carlsen's preparation: it's goal is to maximize his chances of winning the match not to entertain you.


This just in: drawing with white maximizes your chances of winning the match.

I am going to criticize Carlsen's preparation and he clearly deserves it. Nobody is perfect and we all know Carlsen's biggest weakness is the opening. To disagree with this makes you sound like a desperate fanboy.

Also, I am not disappointed to not be entertained, I'm actually glad that Anand showed so well and I am very excited for him! Nice try at misrepresenting me though!


You don't have the information and, I suspect, the chess skill to decide that, but don't let that stop you.

But yeah, I'm glad I was wrong about your motivation. People who whine about short draws are just annoying.
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arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
November 10 2013 04:47 GMT
#354
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 10 2013 04:47 GMT
#355
now now, stop being so civil.

This is my first time watching chess and it's almost overwhelming. I almost want to start playing but having to look so many moves ahead and all the possibilities of every move and counter move seems daunting.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 10 2013 04:50 GMT
#356
On November 10 2013 13:47 ExO_ wrote:
now now, stop being so civil.

This is my first time watching chess and it's almost overwhelming. I almost want to start playing but having to look so many moves ahead and all the possibilities of every move and counter move seems daunting.

Well, you don't HAVE to...if you're a low level patzer like me It's all about practice, though. The more games you play the more patterns you can recognize! If you never play you'll never be good
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 10 2013 04:51 GMT
#357
On November 10 2013 12:48 nFo wrote:
Hey in your guess the move for game 1, the solution for black not drawing has Qa2 as a move, but there is a white pawn on that square.

Thanks, should be Qb2 of course.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
November 10 2013 05:24 GMT
#358
On November 10 2013 10:55 urboss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

[image loading]

lol, says Nakamura, who has never won against Carlson in a classical game;
current score: Carlson 7 : 0 Nakamura


I like how we noobs are all here voicing the same thing and the guy that actually gets to play Carlsen in super-GM tourneys gets bashed.
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-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 06:05:05
November 10 2013 05:58 GMT
#359
There's a whole fucking lot of criticism on Carlsen. He made a minor misstep in the opening and *immediately* abandoned ship before it turned into a game that he could lose. Draws happen in the majority of GM games, and it's ridiculous that people are being so harsh of Carlsen in the first game of the match when he handled his inaccuracy correctly.

If you lose all your workers against the reigning world champion of Starcraft, you're going to all-in in response if that's the only thing you can do.

People who are irritated at the draw don't have an appreciation for how fucking good these players are for that draw to have been taken. The foresight and evaluation ability that it takes to decide you want to draw as white on move 16 in the first game of the most hyped world championship since Fischer-Spassky instead of play on is far beyond the ability of anybody in this thread. Taking that draw isn't a lack of confidence, it's a demonstration of absolute confidence in his evaluation of the position.
3 Hatch Before Cool
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
November 10 2013 06:21 GMT
#360
On November 10 2013 14:58 -Kaiser- wrote:
The point is that there's a whole fucking lot of criticism on Carlsen. He made a minor misstep in the opening and *immediately* abandoned ship before it turned into a game that he could lose. Draws happen in the majority of GM games, and it's ridiculous that people are being so harsh of Carlsen in the first game of the match when he handled his inaccuracy correctly.

If you lose all your workers against the reigning world champion of Starcraft, you're going to all-in in response if that's the only thing you can do.

People who are irritated at the draw don't have an appreciation for how fucking good these players are for that draw to have been taken. The foresight and evaluation ability that it takes to decide you want to draw as white on move 16 in the first game of the most hyped world championship since Fischer-Spassky instead of play on is far beyond the ability of anybody in this thread. Taking that draw isn't a lack of confidence, it's a demonstration of absolute confidence in his evaluation of the position.


I'm actually fine with him playing safe and go for a draw after black equalizes. Bullshit complains about "killing chess" or "disrespecting audience" aside, when Carlsen evaluates the position as a draw and immediately go for a repetition by move 14 as white in a championship match, somewhere during opening preparation he fucked up. It's wasn't some novel, never-before-seen line either. Like holy shit Anand played g3, woop.

But then people called him out on it and immediately nuthuggers jumped on it. My most favorite defense I've seen on here is "It's easy to complain about opening prep after the game is over". No shit sherlock, what other time can you complain about it?

I understand it if ppl are mad about the "killing esports" crew but when people call out obvious stuff like bad opening prep let's tone down the defense a little. He fucked up, move on lol.
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