World Chess Championship 2013 - Page 18

On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.

On November 10 2013 06:44 kwizach wrote:

What's annoying about criticism like this is that it's easy to criticize the opening after it happened and failed. It may very well have been the case that Carlsen and his team studied Anand's usual responses to the opening moves he played and noticed possible weakness that may not have been exploited by previous opponents, and therefore decided to open with Nf3 in case Anand followed the said usual line(s). Anand, on his side, may have "fixed" that weakness in the course of his preparation. This may not precisely be the case, but still, Carlsen can at this point obviously not explain why he opened with that and there may have been very good reasons for it.

On November 10 2013 07:21 Plexa wrote:

I think it was noted that Anand had never replied g6 before, I think that probably threw off the preparation.

On November 09 2013 21:10 mihajovics wrote:
Ne4 isn't necessarily a better move, but unlike Nd5 it avoids the possibility of a semi-forced draw and keeps up the pressure. That is improvement in it's self.

well Qb3 is an obvious candidate to c5

there is a huuuge difference in not risking a loss in game 1 at the World Championship and practically forcing a draw on move 11 (ELEVEN, Nd5 was on move 11)

this is just disrespectful to the game, to the viewers... killing esposrts, i mean chess.
btw I like the way draws works and dislike the Sophia rules etc...
remember the first EPIC Kasparov-Karpov match had 40 (!) draws in it, but it was a bloodbath, a mental survival game where they btw reinvented modern opening theory on the way

the standard PR anwser after such short draws is utter crap.
"oh, how gentlemanly of you kind sir, an exchange of ideas and information" --- i'm about to vomit.
have some fcking balls if you want to be World Champion and have some fighting spirit and a killer instinct.

most anticipated match since Fischer-Spassky??? LOL they're not even in the same class.


P.S.: actually they are like my 2 favorite players, but they should srsly get their shit together

On November 10 2013 07:29 Grumbels wrote:

I hope for Carlsen's sake he didn't gamble everything on this one opening for white only to have it be refuted by one move like that.

On November 10 2013 07:10 LaughingTulkas wrote:


But even if there was a reason for his preparation, he didn't prepare adequately for the line that Anand did choose, and that's on him. I agree that he had some line prepared for what he thought Anand was going to do, but Anand is allowed to prepare too, and it's clear that he did the much better job at least for this particular game. You must agree that Carlsen certainly deserves some criticism for this performance in game one.

On November 10 2013 10:01 hypercube wrote:


There's a big difference between saying Anand won Round 1 and asking "What the hell were you doing for the past 6 month."

On November 10 2013 04:47 Grumbels wrote:
haha

On November 10 2013 10:32 LaughingTulkas wrote:


So you think Carlsen did well on his preparation for his first game and played a good opening based on his preparation? I may not have phrased it as strongly as that tweet, but I think Carlsen and his team do deserve some criticism for the way he played the first game. He seemed very unprepared for what Anand played, and I think that does call into question how well they prepared during the past months. I think if you are going to play a certain opening, you should study most of the common replies, even if Anand doesn't usually play that way. Carlsen seemed very taken aback by the replies of Anand, and that just shouldn't happen.

On November 10 2013 06:54 Sokrates wrote:


I dont know much about chess, but that also applies very much to sc2. Like a 6pool against a player you know will go CC first on the lowground 95% of the time. If he doesnt you look really stupid :D.

On November 10 2013 11:01 hypercube wrote:


They probably studied all replies Anand had played before and some he didn't. Maybe they just literally didn't find anything in this line, or didn't get round to studying it in depth. It's ok to have some lines where you can't show an advantage or maybe even have to accept a forced draw with white. The point is to have some of your preparation pay off, not to get something out of the opening every time.

Incidentally, the difference between getting a forced draw or an equal position out of the opening is minuscule. So it's not like this was some sort of disaster for Carlsen.

I'm thinking people aren't too bothered about the objective outcome for Carlsen. A draw is always the most likely result for any given game. They are annoyed they didn't get what they wanted out of the game. Which is ok, but then just say that. Don't criticize Carlsen's preparation: it's goal is to maximize his chances of winning the match not to entertain you.

On November 10 2013 11:49 LaughingTulkas wrote:


This just in: drawing with white maximizes your chances of winning the match.

I am going to criticize Carlsen's preparation and he clearly deserves it. Nobody is perfect and we all know Carlsen's biggest weakness is the opening. To disagree with this makes you sound like a desperate fanboy.

Also, I am not disappointed to not be entertained, I'm actually glad that Anand showed so well and I am very excited for him! Nice try at misrepresenting me though!

On November 10 2013 13:47 ExO_ wrote:
now now, stop being so civil.

This is my first time watching chess and it's almost overwhelming. I almost want to start playing but having to look so many moves ahead and all the possibilities of every move and counter move seems daunting.

On November 10 2013 12:48 nFo wrote:
Hey in your guess the move for game 1, the solution for black not drawing has Qa2 as a move, but there is a white pawn on that square.

On November 10 2013 10:55 urboss wrote:

lol, says Nakamura, who has never won against Carlson in a classical game;
current score: Carlson 7 : 0 Nakamura

On November 10 2013 14:58 -Kaiser- wrote:
The point is that there's a whole fucking lot of criticism on Carlsen. He made a minor misstep in the opening and *immediately* abandoned ship before it turned into a game that he could lose. Draws happen in the majority of GM games, and it's ridiculous that people are being so harsh of Carlsen in the first game of the match when he handled his inaccuracy correctly.

If you lose all your workers against the reigning world champion of Starcraft, you're going to all-in in response if that's the only thing you can do.

People who are irritated at the draw don't have an appreciation for how fucking good these players are for that draw to have been taken. The foresight and evaluation ability that it takes to decide you want to draw as white on move 16 in the first game of the most hyped world championship since Fischer-Spassky instead of play on is far beyond the ability of anybody in this thread. Taking that draw isn't a lack of confidence, it's a demonstration of absolute confidence in his evaluation of the position.