EPTWorld Chess Championship 2013 - Page 16
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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mihajovics
179 Posts
well Qb3 is an obvious candidate to c5 there is a huuuge difference in not risking a loss in game 1 at the World Championship and practically forcing a draw on move 11 (ELEVEN, Nd5 was on move 11) this is just disrespectful to the game, to the viewers... killing esposrts, i mean chess. btw I like the way draws works and dislike the Sophia rules etc... remember the first EPIC Kasparov-Karpov match had 40 (!) draws in it, but it was a bloodbath, a mental survival game where they btw reinvented modern opening theory on the way the standard PR anwser after such short draws is utter crap. "oh, how gentlemanly of you kind sir, an exchange of ideas and information" --- i'm about to vomit. have some fcking balls if you want to be World Champion and have some fighting spirit and a killer instinct. most anticipated match since Fischer-Spassky??? LOL they're not even in the same class. P.S.: actually they are like my 2 favorite players, but they should srsly get their shit together | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
If you have the better position then you should play for a win, no matter if you're having black or white pieces. And everyone was agreeing that black had the slightly more comfortable position. If Anand is scared of winning then he won't become champion again. | ||
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mihajovics
179 Posts
On November 09 2013 21:19 Grumbels wrote: how can you compare a 48 game karpov kasparov match to a 1 game so far anand carlsen series? show me one single game in that series, despite it having 40 draws in it, that has such an obvious lack of fighting spirit. | ||
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thezanursic
5484 Posts
6 wins Anand 3 wins Carlsen 20 draws Really? Do draws really happen that often between the best Grandmasters? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44336 Posts
Do they stop early if one player can already be declared the overall winner based on points, or do they play out every day just to obtain a complete score regardless? | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
On November 09 2013 21:53 thezanursic wrote: Anand vs. Carlsen (Classical Games): 6 wins Anand 3 wins Carlsen 20 draws Really? Do draws really happen that often between the best Grandmasters? Yes. Especially in blitz. | ||
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BlooDAnGeL
Macedonia136 Posts
On November 09 2013 21:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wow I had no idea the tournament takes a whole month O.O That's pretty spectacular. Do they stop early if one player can already be declared the overall winner based on points, or do they play out every day just to obtain a complete score regardless? As soon as a player scores 6.5 points he is declared a winner. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44336 Posts
On November 09 2013 22:13 BlooDAnGeL wrote: As soon as a player scores 6.5 points he is declared a winner. Ah okay, thanks! | ||
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mihajovics
179 Posts
statistically, about half of the games are decided and half of them end in draws. the scoring is also important, a win is worth 1 point, a draw is worth 1/2 point for both sides and a loss is 0 points (e.g. in soccer a win is 3 points, a draw is just 1-1 points and a loss is 0 points) in tournaments they play out all the games but in series they end it when someone reaches the critial amount of points. having a 1 on 1 match is very rare and is a special occasion (like the WC now or showmatches), most games are played in tournamnets where unlike in SC it's not a series of mini matches but every player plays every other player once or twice and the one with the highest score at the end wins. there is a rich, over a 100 year old history of WC matches with lots of controversy and drama, great story lines. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
You think they lack the fighting spirit, that they are boring ? They did what they had to do, what they thought was best for them. They are not playing for your entertainment ffs. | ||
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mihajovics
179 Posts
On November 09 2013 22:33 vndestiny wrote: What lack of fighting spirit ? My gosh you think their main goal is play for your entertainment ? Of course they want to win, badly, with everything on the line like the World Championship. It also means that they do whatever it takes to avoid a lost. Carlsen did that because he did not want to lose, his position was bad. Anand took it because he do not want to throw away his advantage position, and with Carlsen superior midgame play he would be more likely to lose. Thus they did what they did. You think they lack the fighting spirit, that they are boring ? They did what they had to do, what they thought was best for them. They are not playing for your entertainment ffs. WRONG they both had other options, especially Anand. I'll give you one example for each player. Anand: Ne4 instea of Nd5 - it keeps the advantage for black - Nd5 allows white to either force a draw or worsen his position (at this point of course white will try to force the draw) Carlsen: Qb3 instead of c5 this isn't critical though, but might have left more options open for white Maybe Carlsen was just too nervous, it's his first WC match after all and Anand is a legend and one of his "role models" so to speak, he definitely looks up to him. But he has to do better with white if he wants to win. As for Anand, he played brilliantly, created a fantastic initiative (with black!), there's just no reason to strive for a draw in such a situation, unless he is pussy and affraid of Carlsen outplaying him from a worse position. So no, they didn't do what they were supposed to do: fight till the very last breath and prove who is better. btw of course they are playing for the entertainment of the viewer as well as the integrity of the sport. they could settle it in a closed room you know without anyone knowing... these kind of events exist because of, and at the end payed for by the fanbase. P.S.: please back up your word about the game with actual moves or even better some analysis, thank you | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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acinx
Australia181 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:02 stuchiu wrote: All of this talk of computer and chess makes me think about Hikaru no Go. Makes me nostalgic. if only carlsen was like hikaru and sai was kasparov..anand doesnt really equal to touya's dad though was such a good anime/manga | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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