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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On October 03 2014 16:52 tertos wrote: Guess who's back? It's not back. They did an opinion poll on some interested members of the public at a discussion forum. That's hardly binding on the scientific community. To be honest, I've always thought this was kind of a weird situation. In most fields, the technical definitions that scientists use are completely separate from common parlance, so this never even comes up. For some reason, people have decided that they need to adopt the strict technical definition of "planet" in everyday speech. Since that's probably going to continue to evolve to deal with exoplanets etc, this is going to keep happening. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
On October 03 2014 17:44 tshi wrote: i cant believe people decide this stuff. Yea, it should be all on Thor, not us puny humans. | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
Pluto won't be a planet until we change the definition or until its orbit stops overlapping with Neptune's. Pluto's distance to the sun varies from 48.8 AU to 28.8 AU, Neptune's from 29.9 AU to 30.3 AU. I suggest we crowdfund a project to alter Pluto's orbit so that it clears away. A slight change of speed on a rock 1/500th of earth's mass, how difficult could it be ? | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
On October 03 2014 18:38 Oshuy wrote: I'll go launch the kickstarter. "PLUTO - I believe" t-shirts for over 1k donations.Shouldn't let Thor decide on the fate of a roman God; Jupiter would frown. Pluto won't be a planet until we change the definition or until its orbit stops overlapping with Neptune's. Pluto's distance to the sun varies from 48.8 AU to 28.8 AU, Neptune's from 29.9 AU to 30.3 AU. I suggest we crowdfund a project to alter Pluto's orbit so that it clears away. A slight change of speed on a rock 1/500th of earth's mass, how difficult could it be ? | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On October 03 2014 18:38 Oshuy wrote: Shouldn't let Thor decide on the fate of a roman God; Jupiter would frown. Pluto won't be a planet until we change the definition or until its orbit stops overlapping with Neptune's. Pluto's distance to the sun varies from 48.8 AU to 28.8 AU, Neptune's from 29.9 AU to 30.3 AU. I suggest we crowdfund a project to alter Pluto's orbit so that it clears away. A slight change of speed on a rock 1/500th of earth's mass, how difficult could it be ? Yes, let's crowdfund gigantic rocket boosters, strap them on pluto and turn them on during pluto's periapsis. Sounds like a good plan. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
The issue is that Pluto is/was/would be the only 'planet' discovered by the United States. It's pretty much a Nation/Science peen thing (for the scientists anyway). | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 03 2014 19:31 GreenHorizons wrote: I guess no one has brought this up but for those who are wondering why this is a 'big deal' or why the debate is so heated over something seemingly innocuous... The issue is that Pluto is/was/would be the only 'planet' discovered by the United States. It's pretty much a Nation/Science peen thing (for the scientists anyway). I think scientists (astronomers) pretty much agree that Pluto should not be a planet, i believe the initial vote on the demotion was nearly unanimous. So many things about Pluto are unplanetlike. The resistance comes mostly from the general public, and politicians. Wouldn't call the debate heated either, when the status is debated it is mostly done humorously. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 03 2014 19:58 Crushinator wrote: I think scientists (astronomers) pretty much agree that Pluto should not be a planet, i believe the initial vote on the demotion was nearly unanimous. So many things about Pluto are unplanetlike. The resistance comes mostly from the general public, and politicians. Wouldn't call the debate heated either, when the status is debated it is mostly done humorously. I assume when you say politicians, you meant it within the scientific community. I hardly believe Barack Obama or Stephen Harper will gain supporters because they defended Pluto's status as a planet. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 03 2014 20:50 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I assume when you say politicians, you meant it within the scientific community. I hardly believe Barack Obama or Stephen Harper will gain supporters because they defended Pluto's status as a planet. No I mean actual politicians. Some US states proposed or passed resolutions that in some way make Pluto a planet. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 03 2014 20:56 Crushinator wrote: No I mean actual politicians. Some US states proposed or passed resolutions that in some way make Pluto a planet. Wow really? lol what some politicians would do for some votes. So does that mean if I am in say New York state, and I cross the state border to perhaps New Jersey, Pluto all of a sudden ceases to become a planet? I will never understand the reasons of politicians. | ||
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tertos
Romania394 Posts
On October 03 2014 21:08 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Wow really? lol what some politicians would do for some votes. So does that mean if I am in say New York state, and I cross the state border to perhaps New Jersey, Pluto all of a sudden ceases to become a planet? I will never understand the reasons of politicians. Oh but it easy -> If it makes media buzz around me it does not matter if it's s**** or not, as long as its not illegal. | ||
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tertos
Romania394 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51549 Posts
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 03 2014 17:28 Belisarius wrote: It's not back. They did an opinion poll on some interested members of the public at a discussion forum. That's hardly binding on the scientific community. To be honest, I've always thought this was kind of a weird situation. In most fields, the technical definitions that scientists use are completely separate from common parlance, so this never even comes up. For some reason, people have decided that they need to adopt the strict technical definition of "planet" in everyday speech. Since that's probably going to continue to evolve to deal with exoplanets etc, this is going to keep happening. Or people flat out misunderstand what scientists actually mean when they say something. See also: "ITS JUST A THEORY!" | ||
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