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Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
February 08 2014 11:01 GMT
#161
If you guys don't mind, which website do you guys frequent to play chess?

Poll: Frequented Chess Website to Play

Chess.com (11)
 
55%

ICC (Internet Chess Club) (5)
 
25%

Playchess (2)
 
10%

Others (Please specify) (1)
 
5%

I do not play Internet Chess (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Frequented Chess Website to Play

(Vote): ICC (Internet Chess Club)
(Vote): Playchess
(Vote): Chess.com
(Vote): Others (Please specify)
(Vote): I do not play Internet Chess



sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden881 Posts
February 08 2014 11:50 GMT
#162
chess.com have terrible boards imo. Cant play on that site. Icc best.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 08 2014 11:55 GMT
#163
If you're serious about it, then play on ICC. Otherwise, something like Chess.com is fine.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden881 Posts
February 08 2014 12:00 GMT
#164
chesscube is good , only problem is if you are like idk 2200-2300+ elo (like me) its to hard to get good opponents. Icc you get destroyed no matter how good you are.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
February 08 2014 12:18 GMT
#165
The good thing about playchess.com is that they have an Android app that allows you to do after-analyses with an engine. The ICC app doesn't seem to have that option.
Quint
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
467 Posts
February 08 2014 13:55 GMT
#166
ICC (chess) is similar to ICC (BW) as players there are usually very good and highly competitive. Playchess.com is similar to battle.net - lots of players, very good ones too but people who are seriously trying to improve don't play there. Chess.com has a horribly cluttered interface and is probably the #1 among free servers. I found ChessCube with its semi-free model rather weird, the general level of play is also rather low (I am at ~2000 on Chess Cube in 5/0 whereas I was around 1700 on ICC).

Since I no longer have a subscription to ICC or Playchess.com I usually play on chess.com. It's the first server where I genuinely considered turning off chat, since a lot of people will flame you either ingame or afterwards on yor profile. The amount of hate and anger I have received for beating someone on time in a 1/0 game is staggering. I don't even expect a regame anymore and usually just click on the new game button.

Now I am actually considering re-subscribing to ICC or Playchess.com
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 15:45:16
February 08 2014 15:43 GMT
#167
I've been playing on chess.com but then again I'm pretty terrible at chess. Mostly playing correspondent chess around the 1300-1400 rating (chess.com's rating so idk how accurate it is)

I recently joined the 23rd chess.com quick knockouts 1201-1400 and was really suprised to take my group and advance to the 2nd round! But the last 40 or so games of the tournament are dragging on because people are abusing vacation time.
I played my last game around Jan 15 I think.

If anyone wants to have a game, doesn't matter your rating. I don't mind being smashed by a high rated player if I can learn something from it. my chess.com id is 5ch1sm, I also joined the TL group there so you might find me from there.
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 08 2014 16:41 GMT
#168
I play some correspondence on chess.com(around 1900ish, id Attox if someone wants to play a game or two) and quite a lot of blitz or rapid on ICC. I prefer ICC though, because of the paywall there's way less bm around. I also have the feeling quite some people on chess.com are getting a little engine help.

Another free Alternative is lichess.org. Completely ad-free, and the interface is pretty neat. It's way less frequented than chess.com tho, but you should still be able to find a game rather fast.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 08 2014 16:50 GMT
#169
On February 09 2014 01:41 Nyxisto wrote:
I play some correspondence on chess.com(around 1900ish, id Attox if someone wants to play a game or two) and quite a lot of blitz or rapid on ICC. I prefer ICC though, because of the paywall there's way less bm around. I also have the feeling quite some people on chess.com are getting a little engine help.

Another free Alternative is lichess.org. Completely ad-free, and the interface is pretty neat. It's way less frequented than chess.com tho, but you should still be able to find a game rather fast.


Yea I've heard that there is a lot of engine use at the higher levels on chess.com, even in Blitz.
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
February 08 2014 19:12 GMT
#170
How do you know if someone that is playing online is cheating or not? By cheating, I mean using computer to do their move for them. I heard it pretty common amongst online chess is it not?
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 08 2014 19:21 GMT
#171
On February 09 2014 04:12 SheaR619 wrote:
How do you know if someone that is playing online is cheating or not? By cheating, I mean using computer to do their move for them. I heard it pretty common amongst online chess is it not?


Well if you analyse the game afterwards using an engine and you see that he's playing 100% computer moves it's time to get a little suspicious Statistically even GM's play only 60-70% of what the computer evaluates to be the best move.

And sadly it's pretty common, yes, but it's not like everyone is cheating. I'd guess maybe 5% or so? Luckily most sites are pretty quick with sorting out cheaters.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 19:24:15
February 08 2014 19:24 GMT
#172
to be honest unless you're playing at a high level chances of an opponent cheating are low because engines are easily like 2200 level with just a few seconds to decide on moves
besides how many people are going to play chess only to cheat
IMR
Profile Joined May 2013
70 Posts
February 08 2014 19:35 GMT
#173
they don't play chess to cheat, they cheat to win because whatever
Quint
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
467 Posts
February 08 2014 20:16 GMT
#174
If you're a centaur (strong human player around ~2400 FIDE ELO + using an engine at critical points in the game) it is almost impossible to get caught. Some years ago a GM on Playchess.com with a rating of +3xxx got banned for being a centaur and he wasn't caught for years.

On a different note: Anyone knows what happened to Ng5? He used to post and stream pretty regularly and was probably one of the strongest (if not the strongest) player on TL - causally playing 1. ... f6 2. ... Kf7 against GMs on ICC, randomly sacrificing pieces if the position was "boring" and still winning, beating Kamsky in 5/0 on ICC etc.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
February 09 2014 03:06 GMT
#175
I have a learning question. So I've been playing chess for a long time but never really consistently and I would like to get into it a lot more. I play on chess.com mostly blitz and am rated there around 1000-1200, I've been wondering what's probably the best way to go about getting better from this level. Should I try to learn each part of the game one at a time, like start with learning more openings and further into openings, then working on midgame, then endgame? Should I just play a lot of games until I'm at a certain level? Or would you guys recommend something entirely different?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 03:21:25
February 09 2014 03:20 GMT
#176
On February 09 2014 12:06 Navillus wrote:
I have a learning question. So I've been playing chess for a long time but never really consistently and I would like to get into it a lot more. I play on chess.com mostly blitz and am rated there around 1000-1200, I've been wondering what's probably the best way to go about getting better from this level. Should I try to learn each part of the game one at a time, like start with learning more openings and further into openings, then working on midgame, then endgame? Should I just play a lot of games until I'm at a certain level? Or would you guys recommend something entirely different?


I think the general consensus is somewhat like this:

You need to stop playing Blitz and start playing long time controls. You can play correspondence chess on chess.com under "Play Online". Also tactics are the most important part of the game. So solve a lot of tactic puzzles on http://chesstempo.com/

Regarding the opening, just learn the ideas(!) of the most common ones, and play standard openings. Start with eiter d4 or e4. Classical openings worth looking at are the Ruy Lopez,Italian Game and the Sicilian with e4, the Queens Gambit accepted/declined, and the Slav for d4.

But don't focus too much on the opening, as most people on lower levels deviate from theory very early anyway.Also it generally makes sense to start with the endgame first and then move to middle games and openings at the end, because it's easier to learn how every piece in isolation works before you put it all together.

But the most important part are tactics. They're basically the mechanics of chess. Chess.com also has a tactics trainer but I think you need to pay for it.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
February 09 2014 04:33 GMT
#177
On February 09 2014 12:20 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 12:06 Navillus wrote:
I have a learning question. So I've been playing chess for a long time but never really consistently and I would like to get into it a lot more. I play on chess.com mostly blitz and am rated there around 1000-1200, I've been wondering what's probably the best way to go about getting better from this level. Should I try to learn each part of the game one at a time, like start with learning more openings and further into openings, then working on midgame, then endgame? Should I just play a lot of games until I'm at a certain level? Or would you guys recommend something entirely different?


I think the general consensus is somewhat like this:

You need to stop playing Blitz and start playing long time controls. You can play correspondence chess on chess.com under "Play Online". Also tactics are the most important part of the game. So solve a lot of tactic puzzles on http://chesstempo.com/

Regarding the opening, just learn the ideas(!) of the most common ones, and play standard openings. Start with eiter d4 or e4. Classical openings worth looking at are the Ruy Lopez,Italian Game and the Sicilian with e4, the Queens Gambit accepted/declined, and the Slav for d4.

But don't focus too much on the opening, as most people on lower levels deviate from theory very early anyway.Also it generally makes sense to start with the endgame first and then move to middle games and openings at the end, because it's easier to learn how every piece in isolation works before you put it all together.

But the most important part are tactics. They're basically the mechanics of chess. Chess.com also has a tactics trainer but I think you need to pay for it.

THIS
Avoid exclusively playing Blitz & Bullet like a plague when you are low level. They probably do more harm than good to your development since they can really make you develop bad habits.

This happened to me, as I only played blitz chess for many years. I'll tell you what, I still have problems of glancing at the board for few sec and "just making reasonable move" for sake of saving up time, which is definitely a habit I developed from exclusively playing blitz, rather than really taking my time to look ahead for few moves for each candidate moves and finding the best one.

Tactics and good thought process is probably the most important.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
February 09 2014 04:39 GMT
#178
On February 09 2014 12:20 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 12:06 Navillus wrote:
I have a learning question. So I've been playing chess for a long time but never really consistently and I would like to get into it a lot more. I play on chess.com mostly blitz and am rated there around 1000-1200, I've been wondering what's probably the best way to go about getting better from this level. Should I try to learn each part of the game one at a time, like start with learning more openings and further into openings, then working on midgame, then endgame? Should I just play a lot of games until I'm at a certain level? Or would you guys recommend something entirely different?


I think the general consensus is somewhat like this:

You need to stop playing Blitz and start playing long time controls. You can play correspondence chess on chess.com under "Play Online". Also tactics are the most important part of the game. So solve a lot of tactic puzzles on http://chesstempo.com/

Regarding the opening, just learn the ideas(!) of the most common ones, and play standard openings. Start with eiter d4 or e4. Classical openings worth looking at are the Ruy Lopez,Italian Game and the Sicilian with e4, the Queens Gambit accepted/declined, and the Slav for d4.

But don't focus too much on the opening, as most people on lower levels deviate from theory very early anyway.Also it generally makes sense to start with the endgame first and then move to middle games and openings at the end, because it's easier to learn how every piece in isolation works before you put it all together.

But the most important part are tactics. They're basically the mechanics of chess. Chess.com also has a tactics trainer but I think you need to pay for it.


Hey thanks so much for writing this up, I just spent like half an hour on the tactics trainer and found it very helpful. Also what kinds of time controls do you think would be good to play with? I used to play 15 minute +10 seconds per move, and actually was better at that, more in the 1200-1400 range, I just thought it would help me more to play more games faster. Is is that kind of thing still too fast?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 09 2014 04:45 GMT
#179
I think you should at least play 30 minute games. The important part is that you stop to play 'hope chess', by which I mean that you just play a move without really concretely calculating what will happen and how your opponent can respond. You don't need to calculate far ahead, but it's quite important that you don't just play on intuition.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 09 2014 04:57 GMT
#180
Question for those of you that have subbed in the past. Is the Chess.com memberships really worth it? I tried a month, and the unlimited computer analysis was kind of neat and convenient, but there is likely a better cheaper alternative?

Bottom line if I were to put in about 10$ a month to a chess website which would be the best bang for my buck?
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
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