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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6922 Posts
October 22 2022 13:15 GMT
#2321
Nieman is in good standing with Fide and seeing as both Carlsen and chess.com (their report is absolutely pathetic) made claims about Nieman that are very likely wrong and damage his career , him suing seems very much justified. even if he doesnt win the case
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4127 Posts
October 23 2022 22:25 GMT
#2322
On October 22 2022 22:15 Paljas wrote:
Nieman is in good standing with Fide and seeing as both Carlsen and chess.com (their report is absolutely pathetic) made claims about Nieman that are very likely wrong and damage his career , him suing seems very much justified. even if he doesnt win the case


Wrong, claims made are true, damaging, and Hans is suing because of the claims are damaging outside the range of the claims.

Suing just shut down the rumour mills and everybody will now just wait for the settlement. Not a penny will change hand but Hans will get to play "normally".

And weirdly the child prodigy will simply revert to a previous plateau. I don't know if he will go down to 2600 or 2500. We will see.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6922 Posts
October 23 2022 23:19 GMT
#2323
On October 24 2022 07:25 0x64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2022 22:15 Paljas wrote:
Nieman is in good standing with Fide and seeing as both Carlsen and chess.com (their report is absolutely pathetic) made claims about Nieman that are very likely wrong and damage his career , him suing seems very much justified. even if he doesnt win the case

And weirdly the child prodigy will simply revert to a previous plateau. I don't know if he will go down to 2600 or 2500. We will see.

he will very likely hover around 2700
your are completely clueless if you think there is any evidence or any reason to believe that he cheated otb
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4127 Posts
October 23 2022 23:26 GMT
#2324
On October 24 2022 08:19 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2022 07:25 0x64 wrote:
On October 22 2022 22:15 Paljas wrote:
Nieman is in good standing with Fide and seeing as both Carlsen and chess.com (their report is absolutely pathetic) made claims about Nieman that are very likely wrong and damage his career , him suing seems very much justified. even if he doesnt win the case

And weirdly the child prodigy will simply revert to a previous plateau. I don't know if he will go down to 2600 or 2500. We will see.

he will very likely hover around 2700
your are completely clueless if you think there is any evidence or any reason to believe that he cheated otb


What? I don't believe he has cheated in the game against Magnus, I just haven't seen accusation he has done so. Weird calling people clueless...

He will perform top 10 USA level, that's about it, strong but not world champion material. Look out for Indians. Anyway, whiney little shit like Niemann only hurt chess.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2765 Posts
October 24 2022 03:26 GMT
#2325
There are so many exciting talents all round the world climbing through the ranks - Pragg, Erigasi, Gukesh, Keymer, Norbidek, Esipenko. And also Americans like Yoo, Liang, Robson. None of them have history of cheating or bad behaviour.

The chess world is not short of child prodigies and role models. Such a shame that the mainstream media and casual viewers don't give enough focus to these more promising youngsters. Even Fabi said that he's getting more noticed on the streets but only to be asked about 'beads'...
gg no re thx
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 06:16 GMT
#2326
According to lawyers, Niemann seems to have a good case. I trust their words, not that of strangers on the internet.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 07:02 GMT
#2327
On October 24 2022 15:16 Magic Powers wrote:
According to lawyers, Niemann seems to have a good case. I trust their words, not that of strangers on the internet.

I'm sure you can source those lawyers, because that's not what I'm reading...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583225640873959424.html

For example.

I was going to list all the reasons they quote why this isn't likely to go anywhere, but it would turn into a multiple page essay.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 07:11 GMT
#2328
On October 24 2022 16:02 Mikau313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2022 15:16 Magic Powers wrote:
According to lawyers, Niemann seems to have a good case. I trust their words, not that of strangers on the internet.

I'm sure you can source those lawyers, because that's not what I'm reading...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583225640873959424.html

For example.

I was going to list all the reasons they quote why this isn't likely to go anywhere, but it would turn into a multiple page essay.


Every lawyer is different, some will think Niemann's case is good, some will think it isn't. The point is that I trust them, and not people who haven't studied law.
This one thinks it's a valid case with a good chance of success.

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If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 07:16 GMT
#2329
Really, you're trusting a random throwaway Linkedin comment with 0 reasoning or analysis behind it, and then also alleging that it was unspecified "lawyers" rather than a single random Linkedin comment you're basing that on?

One lawyer, mind you, that seems to awfully easily gloss over the very basis of proving libel/slander (namely, that the person making the claim had to know it was false) in the first place, plus the "if he's not a cheater" when Niemann has already admitted to cheating in the first place?
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 07:18 GMT
#2330
You asked me to source my claim, I source it, you dismissed it. Why should I bother responding again?
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 07:20 GMT
#2331
On October 24 2022 16:18 Magic Powers wrote:
You asked me to source my claim, I source it, you dismissed it. Why should I bother responding again?


"Lawyers are saying" isn't sourced by a single LinkedIn comment by somebody who clearly didn't bother to read the complaint or had any idea about Niemann's history.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-24 07:27:49
October 24 2022 07:25 GMT
#2332
There are plenty other lawyers who say Niemann has a good case. Why should I bother looking them up and posting them if you already dismiss the first one? I'm spending time on meaningful things, not on people who waste my time.

To be very clear: people who ask me to do something for them and then dismiss what I do are among my biggest pet peeves.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 07:50 GMT
#2333
I dismissed your source because it was a bad source. You're not stupid, I'm fairly sure you knew it was a bad source too.

That doesn't mean I'm dismissive of sources in general, it just means that that particular one was not a good one.

To be very clear: people who make broad sweeping claims they refuse to back up adequately and then get indignant when bad sources are questioned are among my biggest pet peeves.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 08:15 GMT
#2334
The lawyer I posted is legit. Give me your qualifications that allow you to determine that he's a bad source.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands20046 Posts
October 24 2022 08:40 GMT
#2335
On October 24 2022 17:15 Magic Powers wrote:
The lawyer I posted is legit. Give me your qualifications that allow you to determine that he's a bad source.
"If he is not a cheater he gets a paycheck".

Nieman is a self admitted cheater.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 08:43 GMT
#2336
On October 24 2022 17:15 Magic Powers wrote:
The lawyer I posted is legit. Give me your qualifications that allow you to determine that he's a bad source.


I already addressed this, see posts 2327, 2329 and 2331. For somebody who was so upset at being 'dismissed', you didn't bother to read my comments very well.

I never said he wasn't a legit lawyer. I did point out that he's not a good source here, and I explained why (see, once again, the above posts).
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 09:26 GMT
#2337
If I have to choose between lawyers and tl.net users, I pick lawyers every time. They're not decided on how the case will go, or if it'll even be accepted, and I don't see a valid reason to dismiss them. Excuse me for dismissing your opinion that the lawyers siding with Niemann are apparently wrong. I think they have greater expertise and a better understanding than you do.
I do not care what one or even a handful of lawyers say, but what they say collectively. As a collective, they're undecided. End of debate on my part.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
158 Posts
October 24 2022 09:31 GMT
#2338
On October 24 2022 18:26 Magic Powers wrote:
If I have to choose between lawyers and tl.net users, I pick lawyers every time. They're not decided on how the case will go, or if it'll even be accepted, and I don't see a valid reason to dismiss them. Excuse me for dismissing your opinion that the lawyers siding with Niemann are apparently wrong. I think they have greater expertise and a better understanding than you do.
I do not care what one or even a handful of lawyers say, but what they say collectively. As a collective, they're undecided. End of debate on my part.


You're not "picking lawyers", you're picking a singular lawyer who clearly and obviously didn't read the complaint and gave his single one-line (pardon, 2 line) opinion.

At the same time, I linked you a multipe page long analysis, by a lawyer, explaining exactly what parts of the case are not going anywhere and why (hint, it's almost all of it).

You don't have to "pick me", a random tl.net user, but the least you could have done is read the actual source with actual analysis by an actual lawyer who, you know, actually read the complaint before disingenuously pretending like it's 'Me vs "lawyers"'.

The irony of you getting upset at me "dismissing" your point when you haven't engaged with any of the analysis I linked you is comical. Literally only one of us dismissed anything the other said, and that is very clearly you.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1306 Posts
October 24 2022 09:36 GMT
#2339
I did not pick a single lawyer. You asked for a source, I provided a source, you dismissed the source. I did not provide another source because you dismissed the first source I provided, which was a legit source.
You're behaving like a baby.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States8534 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-24 09:43:44
October 24 2022 09:43 GMT
#2340
Isn’t JD candidate at UC Berkeley law just another way of saying he is in law school at UC Berkeley? In other words he hasn’t even passed the bar yet and started practicing as an a attorney? Gotta go with Mikau on this one that citing a comment from a random law school student isn’t offering much.
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