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BoneThugzNharmon
Profile Blog Joined October 2022
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 02:09:42
October 20 2022 02:09 GMT
#2301
Who is the person in this thumbnail? (his name/title?)

[image loading]

Is he a GM or IM?
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4965 Posts
October 20 2022 02:37 GMT
#2302
I think it's GM Fabiano Caruana.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4230 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 07:46:39
October 20 2022 07:45 GMT
#2303
On October 20 2022 08:25 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2022 04:31 M3t4PhYzX wrote:


apparent explanation is quite.. curious, too.. what the heck was Sevian thinking there?

mind bogglingly odd behaviour


The crown of the king fell off,you can see him holding it and fiddling with it in the vid.
That is so hilarious tbh lol,like when does that ever happen.

Black probably was very confused and his instinct was to try repair it. Technically he should have called the arbiter to take care of it but this is such an extra-ordinary situation that you cant really blame him from picking it up and trying to repair it.

Quiet funny all in all.

uhm.. what?

no, of course you can blame him.. it was during the game and on his opponents turn AND it was his opponents piece.. AND he threw it on a random place on the board after dismantling the crown..

should have lost right there tbh. Niemann acted very classy by just shrugging it off imo. Imagine if it was him doing it..
everyone would flip.

weirdest thing i've ever seen..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
October 20 2022 08:23 GMT
#2304
I got forced to make a move at a tournament when i accidentally brushed my king with my arm as i was trying to move another piece. I can't believe i can even remember that, i was like 11 years old. I still hate that girl who called the arbitrator. My parents were furious but you can't raise your voice in a tournament hall so my dad got kicked out lol.
RIP Meatloaf <3
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18570 Posts
October 20 2022 08:39 GMT
#2305
There is nothing funny about this at all imo.
The guy should be disqualified right away. Learn some rules/manners
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 11:34:02
October 20 2022 11:33 GMT
#2306
Yeah, most of all I'm puzzled at Sevian's instinct to fix it. They're running a pretty tight time control and it's your opponent's turn. Whatever you do, you don't go tinkering with the board and if you absolutely have to, leave it in the original position at the very least.

I don't really want to speculate on people's health, but some sort of OCD response or similar is the only acceptable excuse I can come up right now.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 12:18:44
October 20 2022 12:17 GMT
#2307
Where is the humor in the chessworld gone. It didnt used to be like this.
This is just a very funny situation overall. Not everything has to be taken so serious. Even hans giggled a bit about it in the intervieuw later,didnt tell what actually did happen (i guess the tournament felt a bit embarresed for a piece to break).

Here is a great book with very funny anecdotes about the chessworld.

https://www.goodreads.com/nl/book/show/1197573.The_King

To all chess lovers:read this book if you can get your hand on it. You wont regret it.

And yes,arbiter should have been called but come on. People should lighten up a bit now and then.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
October 20 2022 12:30 GMT
#2308
Yes the weirdest thing about this is that Hans is much lower on time and it is his move.

Some OCD probably. Kasparov's OCD is much stronger, he would have reacted much stronger if the king's cross was not standing straight.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-20 12:39:50
October 20 2022 12:32 GMT
#2309
There once was a dutch master playing in the dutch national championships , playing against a grandmaster.
The grandmaster did open a snickers or something to eat. The master stood up in a posture ready to swing shouting "if you do that one more time i will smash your face"

Good times lol. But ya,chess can be quiet emotional. I dont blame hans reaction,which was very modest considering everything. But one look at his opponent tells me he was truly confused and didnt know what to do. The intend was definitely not to distract hans,even though i can imagine it beeing quiet disturbing indeed.

I also remember a blitz game between Hikaru and Carlsen. Where carlsen dropped a piece on the ground and Hikaru visually beeing very annoyed by it (though not saying anything).

Or Kasparov Polgar where Kasparov touched a piece and started making a move. When he saw it was a blunder and he made a different move with another piece. Polgar was to stunned to say anything about it and the tournament organizers (i believe it was linares) doing everything to cover up the incident.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2012 Posts
October 20 2022 12:57 GMT
#2310
On October 20 2022 21:17 pmh wrote:
Where is the humor in the chessworld gone. It didnt used to be like this.
This is just a very funny situation overall. Not everything has to be taken so serious. Even hans giggled a bit about it in the intervieuw later,didnt tell what actually did happen (i guess the tournament felt a bit embarresed for a piece to break).

Here is a great book with very funny anecdotes about the chessworld.

https://www.goodreads.com/nl/book/show/1197573.The_King

To all chess lovers:read this book if you can get your hand on it. You wont regret it.

And yes,arbiter should have been called but come on. People should lighten up a bit now and then.

For me games usually have a bunch of rules that sort of secure the fair competition and after that it's more relaxed fun and games. In chess I'm fine with people fooling around in almost any other part of the game, but your opponent's turn is something you should treat with utmost respect.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
October 20 2022 13:10 GMT
#2311
I think it looked so involuntary, almost like he snapped out of a dream when Hans made the comment.

The throwing of the piece was comical as well. Very funny overall and Hans won anyway, so no harm done. Usually to create drama, Hans would have needed to lose on time or blunder a piece right after what happened.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
October 20 2022 14:42 GMT
#2312
On October 20 2022 21:30 0x64 wrote:
Yes the weirdest thing about this is that Hans is much lower on time and it is his move.

Some OCD probably. Kasparov's OCD is much stronger, he would have reacted much stronger if the king's cross was not standing straight.

Hans had much more time than Sevian
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
October 20 2022 14:50 GMT
#2313
On October 20 2022 23:42 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2022 21:30 0x64 wrote:
Yes the weirdest thing about this is that Hans is much lower on time and it is his move.

Some OCD probably. Kasparov's OCD is much stronger, he would have reacted much stronger if the king's cross was not standing straight.

Hans had much more time than Sevian



Ok I saw wrongly that he had 7 minutes and Sevian had 30 minutes...
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4601 Posts
October 20 2022 19:47 GMT
#2314
Niemann sues Chess.com and Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru.

This is suicide for him.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
October 20 2022 22:32 GMT
#2315
On October 21 2022 04:47 0x64 wrote:
Niemann sues Chess.com and Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru.

This is suicide for him.

When you're down material, sometimes all you can do is throw all your pieces at the enemy king.
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-21 01:43:43
October 21 2022 01:42 GMT
#2316
I don't think Hans has thought this through.... as there is a process called discovery and he already been caught hiding things already during this whole saga.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-21 08:32:20
October 21 2022 08:31 GMT
#2317
I don't know how this works in US, I think most of the sued parties have done a pretty good job covering themselves from this. Lots of hinting and such, but I think most of the concrete claims have been pretty well covered. Hans was readily surrounded by loads of flammable material, so it didn't take more than some suggestions and suspicions to get the fire started.

This also kind of cements Hans is going to stay in headlines as a suspected cheater for a long time. He didn't do particularly well in the US Championship, but he still competed and stuff like the broken king episode started to give him some other character than just the cheating suspect. Now, the court case is likely going to stay there and get updated for a long while, keeping the cheating bits in the headlines.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-21 13:58:28
October 21 2022 11:36 GMT
#2318
As far as I know, the standards for libel and slander are such that you need to prove that the person you're accusing did knowingly and intentionally spread false information.

Seeing as Niemann has a well known history of cheating (and even admitted to parts of it), it's hard to argue that calling him suspicious or a cheater would ever fall in the category of 'knowingly and intentionally spreading falsehoods', and it's even harder for Niemann to prove that was the case.

edit: I meant "spread information you know is false/untrue", just to be sure.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
October 21 2022 11:39 GMT
#2319
On October 21 2022 20:36 Mikau313 wrote:
As far as I know, the standards for libel and slander are such that you need to prove that the person you're accusing had to knowingly and intentionally spread false information.

Seeing as Niemann has a well known history of cheating (and even admitted to parts of it), it's hard to argue that calling him suspicious or a cheater would ever fall in the category of 'knowingly and intentionally spreading falsehoofd', and it's even harder for Niemann to prove that was the case.


This is also a very good way to get banned for bringing chess into disrepute.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4230 Posts
October 21 2022 15:27 GMT
#2320
He won't achieve anything with this move..
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