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woreyour
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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misspoo
France63 Posts
Don't forget that the gay marriage is forbidden in Russia and in a lots of stats in America so clean up your own back yard This attack against Russia is approximately the same than the femen activist group. Who the hell you think finance the femen, these ex prositutes? give them headquarter in the Paris city,Kiev... and 1000 dollars/month. Some riches peaple who have some interest to put down Russia, fight for gay marriage and against religions (christian and Islam only, think about that). Russia did some thing good lately, they banned the adoption of foreign gay couples. Ps: all what i said against femen is proven. Inna Shevchenko,Eloise Bouton.. former prostitutes. And the finance are from Helmut Geier, Beat Schoben, Jed Sundenet, George Soros ... | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On August 06 2013 22:38 misspoo wrote: Russia is master of his own country, so their policy. If they don't want to do "gay propaganda", it's their own choice. Russia just don't want to give to the gay lobby an official tribune to spread a propaganda. Don't forget that the gay marriage is forbidden in Russia and in a lots of stats in America so clean up your own back yard This attack against Russia is approximately the same than the femen activist group. Who the hell you think finance the femen, these ex prositutes? give them headquarter in the Paris city,Kiev... and 1000 dollars/month. Some riches peaple who have some interest to put down Russia, fight for gay marriage and against religions (christian and Islam only, think about that). Ps: all what i said against femen is proven. Inna Shevchenko,Eloise Bouton.. former prostitutes. And the finance are from Helmut Geier, Beat Schober et Jed Sundenet. i pity you | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On August 06 2013 14:27 Mallard86 wrote: In the US media there exists 2 types of people, those who hate gays and those who hate those who hate gays. In reality there exists a 3rd category which comprises the vast majority of the population which is those who dont give a goddamn shit. If the gays would stfu then nobody would care one way or another but they have to force their lifestyle on popular culture which generates a disproportionate backlash. If you are talking about gay rights such as marriage benefits then you are talking about social engineering which is a separate issue from gay discrimination. Uhh... their "lifestyle"? What lifestyle? If they want to get married, then wouldn't that be the "married lifestyle"? You don't just get to call something a "lifestyle" and then pretend that you're not being bigoted. What, are you going to talk about the Jewish lifestyle and black lifestyle? (Ahem, I meant the "Hollywood lifestyle" and "urban lifestyle.") Marriage is a government contract. A lot of the rights have to do with your specific relationship to the government, so it's not like it could be a private contract (like legal rights). So discriminating against gays for this contract is just open discrimination. And actually gays did stfu for quite a long time and they were subjected to maiming, rape, and murder. I'm not exactly sure why you think saying nothing is a good idea for them. On August 06 2013 21:32 woreyour wrote: Russia is too manly for gays. Since when are gays unmanly? I swear this is the strangest stereotype of all. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On August 06 2013 22:38 misspoo wrote: Russia is master of his own country, so their policy. If they don't want to do "gay propaganda", it's their own choice. Russia just don't want to give to the gay lobby an official tribune to spread a propaganda. Don't forget that the gay marriage is forbidden in Russia and in a lots of stats in America so clean up your own back yard This attack against Russia is approximately the same than the femen activist group. Who the hell you think finance the femen, these ex prositutes? give them headquarter in the Paris city,Kiev... and 1000 dollars/month. Some riches peaple who have some interest to put down Russia, fight for gay marriage and against religions (christian and Islam only, think about that). Russia did some thing good lately, they banned the adoption of foreign gay couples. Ps: all what i said against femen is proven. Inna Shevchenko,Eloise Bouton.. former prostitutes. And the finance are from Helmut Geier, Beat Schoben, Jed Sundenet, George Soros ... I'll never understand what goes on in the head of people that think everything is a conspiracy. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
Personally, as a non-Russian, why not look at this as a boon? If the laws are truly that Draconian, I'm sure there are some brilliant homosexual Russian's the rest of the world could steal and put to good use. Brain drain National Socialist Germany style. They run them out, we catch the brains. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote: Let 'em. If the world wants to act like a bunch of 3 year old's and bitch and moan about what Russians do in Russia, that's the world's problem. It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades. Personally, as a non-Russian, why not look at this as a boon? If the laws are truly that Draconian, I'm sure there are some brilliant homosexual Russian's the rest of the world could steal and put to good use. Brain drain National Socialist Germany style. They run them out, we catch the brains. The biggest problem is the discretion given to the police since the law is very flexible. When that is said, brain drain doesn't seem impossible, depending again on how police will interpret the law. On the other hand, gays with lesser resources (both economic and knowledge/education) would be screwed even harder. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote: Let 'em. If the world wants to act like a bunch of 3 year old's and bitch and moan about what Russians do in Russia, that's the world's problem. It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades. Personally, as a non-Russian, why not look at this as a boon? If the laws are truly that Draconian, I'm sure there are some brilliant homosexual Russian's the rest of the world could steal and put to good use. Brain drain National Socialist Germany style. They run them out, we catch the brains. Why put gay people in camps when you can just call the local police and say "rustle up some of the skinhead gangs to go beat up the gays when they march on Friday" as has happened in Russia several times at least. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:54 DeepElemBlues wrote: Why put gay people in camps when you can just rustle up skinhead gangs to beat up gays in public? But can't you read Deb, only 3 year olds care about what Russians do in Russia. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote: Let 'em. If the world wants to act like a bunch of 3 year old's and bitch and moan about what Russians do in Russia, that's the world's problem. It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades. Personally, as a non-Russian, why not look at this as a boon? If the laws are truly that Draconian, I'm sure there are some brilliant homosexual Russian's the rest of the world could steal and put to good use. Brain drain National Socialist Germany style. They run them out, we catch the brains. Yeah you're right the holocaust was well worth it because the US got to claim Einstein as their own, good job we didn't do anything about Hitler before those 60 million people died, or something really bad might have happened. WW2 what a boon for humanity. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:54 DeepElemBlues wrote: Why put gay people in camps when you can just rustle up skinhead gangs to beat up gays in public? True. It certainly is more cost effective and less politically damning since the government is actually "doing" anything. I find it unfortunate how gays are treated in Russia. But, similarly I find it unfortunate how they're pandered to in the West. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I suppose. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On August 07 2013 02:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Yeah you're right the holocaust was well worth it because the US got to claim Einstein as their own, good job we didn't do anything about Hitler before those 60 million people died, or something really bad might have happened. WW2 what a boon for humanity. Your words ------> My mouth Good job. Edit: Oops, double post. Mah bad. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On August 06 2013 21:28 Silvanel wrote: Few years back polish governament introduced a grant to every couple-for every new-born child. Clearly they didnt got the memo. Russia situation is similiar, yet much worse. See for exmple here: http://www.ibtimes.com/russias-existential-crisis-no-signs-population-drop-will-end-214342 Remember this topic is about Russia. As i pointed before their rapidly shrinking population is one of the reasons behind those anti-homosexual policies. They prefere homosexuals to stay in the closet and create families (but with children). Also immigration isnt really the same thing as population growth, it obviously depends on the outlook shared by countries elite. In Russia immigration isnt really viewed as something good. Its a threat. They want to combat it not encurage it. Remmber that these measures have suport of the vast majority of population. I think it is the general sentiment in most countries in the world that you don't want to deal with too much diversity, since it will result in loosing some of the national identity. That is the reason for the rise in nationalist parties across europe and Denmark pretty much goes further in that direction than any other country in europe, maybe even the world. I am not sure how many closeted gays actually breed children. I suspect that many of them will end up far less desirable for society, living alone and draining public programs in their misery... | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:01 Kimaker wrote: Your words ------> My mouth Good job. Edit: Oops, double post. Mah bad. Godwin's law at it's finest. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote: Let 'em. If the world wants to act like a bunch of 3 year old's and bitch and moan about what Russians do in Russia, that's the world's problem. It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades. Personally, as a non-Russian, why not look at this as a boon? If the laws are truly that Draconian, I'm sure there are some brilliant homosexual Russian's the rest of the world could steal and put to good use. Brain drain National Socialist Germany style. They run them out, we catch the brains. Everyone seems to keep forgetting that propaganda includes holding hands with the person you love | ||
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
On August 07 2013 01:34 Kimaker wrote: It's not like the law is actively pursuing people and putting them in camps for being gay, it's just prohibiting those annoying parades. even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
Wat. Chill out. Fine, lemme refine that. I never said the holocaust was "worth it". That's ludicrous and I'm not sure what would cause you to jump to that conclusion based on what I wrote. I'm simply saying, why not take advantage of potential opportunities here? The flight of German scientists, academics and geniuses was irrefutably a boon for the United States, are you trying to rebut that? If you don't like the German analogy, how about the Byzantine Refugees to Italian city-states following the fall of Constantinople in 1453? Sorry for picking the most culturally and temporally relevant analogy. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:08 qotsager wrote: even IF that law "only" does that, note it is formulated extremely vaguely and therefor might turn into a convenient excuse for doing just what you said it was not supposed to, there is some really messed up shit going on (as several people have mentioned), directed against the homosexual community, that needs to stop. and if you deem those parades annoying, we should probably outrule any kind of parade ever, cause someone is gonna be annoyed by them. Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5741 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:20 Kimaker wrote: Oh God...shouldn't have written anything.... I'm not saying this from the perspective of "This is what I believe". I'm framing it in terms of Russian sovereignty and different cultural values. What would you have us do? Drive tanks into Russia to protect gay rights? Boycott the Olympics? (never gonna happen in this political climate). If you read my first post all the way through I'm less concerned with Russia and more concerned with how this could be taken advantage of by Western nations (particularly the US) since being upset is just...I don't know, it feels futile? This reminded me of certain Americans feeling threatened after Russia drove tanks into Georgia.  Sorry for the off-topic. | ||
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