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On August 04 2013 12:54 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 12:37 Roe wrote:On August 04 2013 11:05 darkness wrote:I agree with Russia for once. This pro-gay propaganda seems repetitive, annoying and too loud. If giving rights to gays wasn't turned into showing off or an opportunity for some politician to earn a few more votes, then alright. With that said, Mitt Romney had more honour in this case, while Obama was trying to get any possible vote imho. Do you think western politicians woke up one day and said, "Fuck it, let's give them rights"? I just question their motive. Edit: and this is what I mean by "annoying and loud" to make myself clearer: Mutko emphasized that the law wasn’t designed to punish anyone for being gay or lesbian. But like the Russian lawmakers who authored the bill, Mutko said athletes would be punished only for propaganda, a word that remains ambiguous under the new law. So since it's an easy way of getting votes in the US, we need to persecute gays in Russia (or anyone else) for discussing sexuality? Because anti-homophobia is repetitive we need to throw them in jail? Holy fuck. You're putting words into my mouth. Please go back to my post and re-read. Or rather, learn to read. I've never ever implied persecution or as an act of punishment to chase gays in Russia because they have more rights in USA or w/e. What I'm only saying is: 1. I don't trust western politicians when they advocate gay rights. I just don't think they have a sincere and simple reason to do so. Possibility may be they fish for votes or to slightly boost economy by having more marriages now than ever. I'm not saying this is definitely their cause, I'm just saying they have some not very obvious interest to back gays. 2. Making the whole gay stuff a hot topic and appear on news a lot is unneccessary and annoying. Have you seen heterosexuals to show off that much (reference to gay pride movements)? I haven't. My thought is either grant gays rights or not. Whatever you choose, be done with it and move on. Don't make it an excessive topic.
1. Yeah, it's possible that some people use issues like that to help their political careers. So? Does that mean that the issue is diminished in any way?
2. Heterosexuals never had to face discrimination. A lot of people say shit like this "oh, I'm not saying they shouldn't have that dirty gay sex, I won't stop them, but just please stay away from me or our children". That's the problem. This isn't a tolerant stance and gay parades are trying to show that those people are not any different from you and me. Oh and btw I'm not saying you believe any of that, it's just that a lot of people do.
Once we reach a point in our society where majority won't be appaled by homosexuality, there'll be no need for parades.
Do you get just as pissed off for people rallying for other issues? Do you get pissed off when, for example, students rally because education system sucks? "Oh those damn students and their constant need to try and make their lives better, I swear..". No one says that, right?
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Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
What on earth are you blabbing on about? Since when are any gay pride rallies on TV or in the newspapers (except when morons in 3rd world countries are causing trouble at them)?
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
man, you are funny. You say that gay rights discussions are annoying to you and thus you think that they should be banned in Russia and yet still you are here in this topic discussing the matter that annoys you so greatly. As someone has already told you if you don't like listening to such news or discussions then don't, switch the tv program, open another page in the browser, but don't approve of when they shut down liberties in another country. That's dumb.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
Great, then you should understand the gay community at the very least has a right to express their opinion that they should be looked upon as normal human beings and not discriminated against. I can't emphasize enough how easy it is to sit in your chair and denounce gay parades and not have to suffer through intolerance and discrimination as they do. It reeks of ignorance and bias.
If you had rights taken away with the reasoning 'we don't like you,' I'm SURE you'd simply nod and take it lying down.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
Yeah it's not like these people were beaten up and chased around for hundreds of years, how dare they to make funny parades two or three times a year!
I have to admit, it's really hard to live a undisturbed live as a white heterosexual male in the 21st century with all these gays, black guys and women around.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
Tour de France, superbowl and the Rio carnival would come to mind as events happening every year too. A yearly event is hardly often by any meaningful measure. I hate looking at 10 hours of direct coverage on several channels of a largely irrelevant wedding, baptism, burial or coronation in some royal family I cannot relate to. I would just turn off the tv and do something else as these event are rare. It is no harder than that.
To me it seems that you are dishonest about why you hate to hear about it. You keep trying to rationalize feelings, but your rationalisations are very weak arguments. Just admit that your problem is not based on facts and move on.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
Well fuck. Maybe they should get their damn rights already, and then they wouldn't be such a nuisance to you.
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Wow. last six comments all replied to the same guy.
Obviously he is just tired of seeing the same news over and over again. No reason to bash the guy for it. Even though his concern for gays rights could use a boost, and he probably shouldn't have voiced his opinion on it here, but rather in a blog.
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On August 05 2013 10:12 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Wow. last six comments all replied to the same guy.
Obviously he is just tired of seeing the same news over and over again. No reason to bash the guy for it. Even though his concern for gays rights could use a boost, and he probably shouldn't have voiced his opinion on it here, but rather in a blog.
So tired he is of seeing the news he has to outwardly vent his opinion and further entrench himself in the issue. The gay community should just shut up about being discriminated against: That's not a reasonable or defensible position, and suggests incredible bigotry.
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what's this? homosexual propaganda? context please.
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Presumably that youtube clip is meant to portray the hypocrisy in Russia's policymaking. Hard to say without any further comment from the poster.
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I don`t want to talk about boycotting the Olympics, but i can give you an "inside look" about how things are in Russia. First of all, the main problem is that most of the people don`t like gays here. I mean that a lot of people hate gays in Russia. Calling someone gay is usually meant to be insulting. However, the government isn`t trying to teach people tolerance, it is the other way around, they pass laws that are against gay rights. It is politics mostly. Approximately two years ago protests started rising in Russia because of the falsified elections in to the parliament, the government uses different ways to calm people down. One of the ways is to pass these kind of laws, and shout on TV that protesters are against anti-gay laws. Keep in mind that the majority of people hate gays, so it might work.
P.S. About the youtube clip in the thread: it`s just a crappy song about "lose weight till summer". It has nothing to do with gays.
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so yeah, to point out the hypocrisy. but that's not the issue, the law isn't against "gay propaganda" because it's especially explicit or dirty or whatever, but because it is coming from homosexuals. and, according to the russian government, that will be the downfall of the country if left unchecked.
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The reason gay-propaganda will lead to the downfall of Russia is its too damn sexy. Putin et al just cant get enough. Like a fat kid with a cookie jar they're just too greedy. A single gay photo stops Mother Russia dead.
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On August 05 2013 02:11 darkness wrote:
Please tell me any rally that happens every year like gay parades and appears on news. The gay right thing is irrelevant, the problem is it's too frequent in media for my taste. With the same reason, I don't wanna hear of Syria that much either. I understand things are real and serious, but repeating them as parrots isn't enough nor pleasure.
I understand some people don't agree, but this is me. No, the world doesn't revolve around me as one of you asked, but I think I have a right to express my opinion. No forces you to agree or do as I like.
Really? Here in the US where its much more tolerated to have parades and such and the issue of gay rights is a hot topic, you still are rarely confronted by it unless you look for it.
This "there is too much of it its annoying" is a cop out argument that doesn't have much substance. There is so much media out there now a days and so many things going on that Gay Rights and issues are never that "big" as to be constantly in the media. As for parades....well once or twice a year is too much? Dats some easily annoyed personality you got.
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If it's not utter corruption or drug usage it's about human rights, when will sports actualy be just about sports again.
I feel nothing for these rules, we make a big deal about this but in Russia gay's have to live with this every bloody day, let's make a constant comotion about that instead of 1x we as tourists enter the country and cry a river. But as soon as the Olympics are over we all forget about this again and continue in our ignorance.
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Personally, i'm against this law, however I do know a couple of people, early 30s, who genuinely want to shield their kids from "gay propaganda", which I assume includes parades and media.
IMO, the best way to deal with the gay issue in Russia would be to thoroughly study the phenomenon and present a scientific conclusion. If it turns out to be genetic, which I assume it is, - it will be the end of it.
As far as boycotting the olympics, i just think it's silly. Far worse issues are and have been going on in host-countries. If one needs a couple of boycott reasons, I would pick poverty, government corruption and militarism.
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