EPTOT: If Snowden did something for peace than maybe, but what he really did was uncover a secret. The world isn't closer to achieving some kind of a peace thanks to him. That's why I voted, no.
Does Snowden deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? - Page 4
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
OT: If Snowden did something for peace than maybe, but what he really did was uncover a secret. The world isn't closer to achieving some kind of a peace thanks to him. That's why I voted, no. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
One could say that after 2009 the nobel peace prize was reduced to a popularity contest. That's pretty much what the poll in the OP indicates. "Does Snowden deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?" should mean "Has Snowden done the most for peace?" Instead, most of the people voting in the poll seem to believe that it reads, "Do you think Snowden did a noble thing?" which is irrelevant to the actual question. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
So I would like the statement, the Nobel Price Jury could send, if the give Snowden the Peace Price. He risks everything to reveal the unjustified undercover actions by an organisation that can only be described as uncontrolable. Even the government statement regarding the issue says that there may be an investigation, but the result will not be made public. What sense does this make? Will the USA stop spying on their own citizen? no. Will they stop spying on their "friends" and ally? no. It`s the other way around - the NSA just opened a new complex, which will allow them to spy better and more. Wasn`t the american idial "bravery" once? Well, now it is power! How it is achieved does not matter. "Human rights" seem to be something one can ignore if you are powerful enough. It`s true. It`s also scary. This develoment heads towards a future written down in many stories - in all of them people fight against such a system. Even in reality: does eastern germany`s "Stasi" ring a bell? A government spying on their citizen is so unbelieveable dangerous, because it puts everybody under general suspicion and leaves room for interpretation in almost every case. I assume I could make a case against almost anybody if I had knowledge about everything that person ever wrote down, said on skype or telephone, what article he/she reads, what he/she looks for in the internet, whom he meets, etc. etc. Snowden did something brave and therefore he should be protected by the people he did a service. Give him the damn price and hopefully start some kind of controversity. It`s about time! | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:34 -Archangel- wrote: Nobel prize lost all value after giving one to Arafat so nobody cares who gets it anymore. But if my vote counted for anything I say Yes. Corrected for you. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
But I don't see how giving it to Snowden wouldn't be a political knee-jerk reaction as well. This is like two wrongs to make a right. There are people, who don't work for government, who are more deserving of this prize than either Obama or Snowden. How about someone not American? | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:37 DDie wrote: One could say that after 2009 the nobel peace prize was reduced to a popularity contest. More like 1906. Several controversial picks throughout history: 1906, T Roosevelt and 1913, E Root were occupying several territories like Panama and Cuba because the people there were "uncivilized". 1951 Léon Jouhaux and 1969 ILO for workers right organisation? 1973 Henry Kissinger as a central brain behind the Vietnam war and the resolution even though he had to change side politically. 2 members of the committee left their position in protest against Kissinger (and the north korean Tho who refused to recieve the price)... 1974 Sean MacBride, a fine french-born chap taking to arms on the side of IRA! 1978 Al-Sadat making peace with Israel after starting the october war and later signing peace with Israel. Ultimately the same year Begin got it for the same treaty after being one of the people behind the six days war. This year the protests in Norway against especially Begin were so massive that they had to change venue... 1994 Arafat the leader of the armed guerilla organisations under PLO (long before terrorism was codified internationaly) and Perez, the man responsible for making Israel a nuclear power, made a weak peace treaty with the less undeserving Rabin as the third wheel on the gig. 2007 IPCC for political awareness of environmental protection (Al Gore was a coreciever of the price this year)? 2009 Obama was nominated before he was actually elected as president and he had no previously laudable achievements... 2012 The lukewarm political EU won in a time where the union is severely shrieking. Those are just some of the worst. There are several other controversial picks if you dig deeper. As for Snowden it is generally not a good thing to bring information to the table and it is also very strongly against the tradition to choose anyone with significant opposition in the western political sphere except when they are party to a peace treaty. Since Snowden is not part of politics and could even be painted as an enemy of some politicians (as opposed to rival or opponent), it is a pipe-dream to hope for a nobel peace price for him. Since he has actually engaged in political dealings, Assange is a better bet, but having a rape-case waiting is probably a deal-killer for him. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
I think they should award it to the most openly militant terrorist group going ... give it to obama again for his great work in eradicating through any means deemed necessary those who are against back door anarchist opportunists (They have no value for law and will do anything they like to further their own agendas) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:14 MrTortoise wrote: dotn really see how a rape case shuold effect elligability for peace prize - they ar eunreleated matters. I think they should award it to the most openly militant terrorist group going ... give it to obama again for his great work in eradicating through any means deemed necessary those who are against back door anarchist opportunists (They have no value for law and will do anything they like to further their own agendas) Um...wrong person. Snowden is not the head of wikileaks, who was accused of rape. Also, the rest of your statement doesn't make a lot of sense. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Can i have one? "Promoting constructive trollism and integrity whilst trolling throughout TL and Esports." Thats what i want it to read, Bad english included. | ||
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 16 2013 01:55 farvacola wrote: Nope, he'll get what he deserves, and that isn't the Nobel Peace Prize. For all the (american) people with a pitchfork in the one hand and a torch in the other, demanding that ES is prosecuted and lynched as a traitor, take a step back and look on how your great country started out and more importantly who the men and women were who founded it. I'm not sure, but I guess they were called traitors as well... If your are a traitor or a fighter for freedom always depends on the side you're standing on... "the land of the free and the home of the brave..." How free can you really be when your government knows literally everything about you and is able to violate your most fundamental rights without even being required to give a reason to anyone? Is it 1984 again? As for "home of the brave": ES definitely is brave, and probably loves his country and the principles it was founded on more than most of the people who now demand his head. Maybe he just couldn't stand what his country (or government) has become, but what do I know... maybe he just wanted to immortalize himself in the history books. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:33 Plansix wrote: Um...wrong person. Snowden is not the head of wikileaks, who was accused of rape. Also, the rest of your statement doesn't make a lot of sense. I think he was replying to my comment. The rest seems like sarcasm. He is appearantly not too happy about the hipocrisy in the history of the prize based on my admittedly biased examples. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote: If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes. agreed, although most of what he "leaked" was shit the media knew about since 2006 all it did was get media attention because there were leaks and now it became sexy to report on it. Still it's not a protest to just call someone out then run the fuck away it takes much more courage to stand up and stand your ground on what you believe in then it is to just flee. Especially when it comes to matters of the state to which you live in, if your act of civil disobedience is to change the place to live for the better what's the point if you leave. On July 15 2013 23:20 vidium wrote: Yeah, he would have a fate much worse than the guy who leaked info to wikileaks. You likely to receive life in a federal prison(considering his trail is still going on but you probably didn't give a shit). Btw they never sough the death penalty for manning. Whoop de do, what do you expect when you do shit like that. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
There should be a nobel prize for people who put themselves in danger by standing up against the dirty actions of rich democracies which should handle their shit with more finesse. If somehow, some sort of peace emerges from his work, then sure, give him peace nobels. But I don't see any fucking peace. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote: Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books. We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
but if he got it, it would bring plenty attention and symbolism to the whole surveillance issue, that seems like a favorable outcome to me. I think most people in the world would agree. | ||
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