EPTDoes Snowden deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? - Page 5
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote: We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time. Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote: Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time. We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now. | ||
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
2. Snowden did nothing to help with peace, instead he stirred up quite a ton of political trouble (airplane in Austria, US-Europe relations, US-Russian relations). For basically no practical gain for most people. 3. ??? 4. profit I don't really care for it. Just like I don't really care for so many things that get overhyped by the attention-whoring media. Would have liked to be able to vote for "I don't really care for neither the prize nor the guy" | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote: We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now. I don't even consider it a theory, that's how positive I am about it. But to each his own. I don't envy the people in power that have to make the big decisions, ignorance is definitely bliss. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
As far as I see it, he fights for human rights, especially privacy, but not for peace. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote: We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now. Yeah, although i am kind of miffed about privacy invasions, at the end of the day its not really that harmful. | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:08 packrat386 wrote: Yeah, although i am kind of miffed about privacy invasions, at the end of the day its not really that harmful. I think you have more to fear from a random Microsoft tech snooping your skype calls than you do from the NSA. Its good to be aware of this stuff, but it is not the largest problem out there right now. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote: He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did. Touche. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"? | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Did this guy contribute to peace in the world? As far as I see it, he fights for human rights, especially privacy, but not for peace. Fighting for Human rights aganist the Earth powerhouse is enough fighting for the peace for a single human. Mother Theresa won the same prize for doing humanitary work. Did she archieve "peace"? Sure she didn't. But she did more than enough for a single person. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote: Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"? Please all he has to do is make himself known and then he's protected against disappearing off the face of the earth, running away made it so much more possible for him to just disappear. All the US would do would gum up his trail till people lost interest then try to get him to give up anything information he has then just put him up for trial going for sentencing him to life in prison; just like they did with manning. On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote: We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now. He obviously doesn't know the FBI under the first director of the FBI far more violating of rights. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote: Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"? We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote: We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial. Do you consider Snowden a spy? And if so, a spy for whom exactly. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:31 AnomalySC2 wrote: Do you consider Snowden a spy? And if so, a spy for whom exactly. That is not the point. The point is we have put real spies on open trial, so there is no reason why Snowden wouldn't be give a public trial as well. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote: We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial. That's what I was trying to say. yOngKIN made it sound like we would secretly detain him, and I was trying to say that that has never been the case in the past. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote: That is not the point. The point is we have put real spies on open trial, so there is no reason why Snowden wouldn't be give a public trial as well. But do you consider him a spy? I'm just asking what it is you think he would be tried for if they got a hold of him. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 16 2013 02:58 packrat386 wrote: this thread is kind of laughable. Its not like hes the person who is leading the charge for greater privacy protections or actively protesting the usfg's policies. All he did was confirm that they do it, which is something that most people kind of knew already. I agree in general, but to be fair he has put his life in danger and has basically become a martyr. A lot different than people trying to change things within the system. | ||
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