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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 15 2013 17:58 GMT
#81
this thread is kind of laughable. Its not like hes the person who is leading the charge for greater privacy protections or actively protesting the usfg's policies. All he did was confirm that they do it, which is something that most people kind of knew already.
dreaming of a sunny day
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
July 15 2013 17:59 GMT
#82
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 15 2013 18:03 GMT
#83
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.

We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
July 15 2013 18:03 GMT
#84
1. the Nobel peace prize is a joke, given who it was awarded to (especially lately) and for what reasons
2. Snowden did nothing to help with peace, instead he stirred up quite a ton of political trouble (airplane in Austria, US-Europe relations, US-Russian relations). For basically no practical gain for most people.
3. ???
4. profit

I don't really care for it. Just like I don't really care for so many things that get overhyped by the attention-whoring media. Would have liked to be able to vote for "I don't really care for neither the prize nor the guy"
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 18:06:47
July 15 2013 18:05 GMT
#85
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.

We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now.


I don't even consider it a theory, that's how positive I am about it. But to each his own. I don't envy the people in power that have to make the big decisions, ignorance is definitely bliss.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 15 2013 18:05 GMT
#86
Did this guy contribute to peace in the world?

As far as I see it, he fights for human rights, especially privacy, but not for peace.
This is our town, scrub
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 15 2013 18:08 GMT
#87
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.

We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now.

Yeah, although i am kind of miffed about privacy invasions, at the end of the day its not really that harmful.
dreaming of a sunny day
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
July 15 2013 18:09 GMT
#88
Its the Troll of the year award now, I say Snowden wins that hands down!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 15 2013 18:12 GMT
#89
On July 16 2013 03:08 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.

We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now.

Yeah, although i am kind of miffed about privacy invasions, at the end of the day its not really that harmful.

I think you have more to fear from a random Microsoft tech snooping your skype calls than you do from the NSA. Its good to be aware of this stuff, but it is not the largest problem out there right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
July 15 2013 18:13 GMT
#90
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.
Chicken gank op
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 15 2013 18:16 GMT
#91
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?
dreaming of a sunny day
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
July 15 2013 18:16 GMT
#92
On July 16 2013 03:05 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Did this guy contribute to peace in the world?

As far as I see it, he fights for human rights, especially privacy, but not for peace.


Fighting for Human rights aganist the Earth powerhouse is enough fighting for the peace for a single human.

Mother Theresa won the same prize for doing humanitary work. Did she archieve "peace"? Sure she didn't. But she did more than enough for a single person.
Chicken gank op
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 15 2013 18:17 GMT
#93
I think the nobel peace prize is such a piece of shit they can pretty much give it to anyone without it losing any value, so yeah, why not.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 18:25:08
July 15 2013 18:22 GMT
#94
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

Please all he has to do is make himself known and then he's protected against disappearing off the face of the earth, running away made it so much more possible for him to just disappear. All the US would do would gum up his trail till people lost interest then try to get him to give up anything information he has then just put him up for trial going for sentencing him to life in prison; just like they did with manning.
On July 16 2013 03:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 02:59 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Yes he does. He is an incredible hero, not just for american citizens but for everyone around the world. Anyone that gives up their entire life to stop Tyranny is a hero in my books.

We will see, the public knew about the majority of the programs he released and they already had oversite. I'm not really impressed with the Tyranny argument, as I am not really being oppressed at this time.


Just because you aren't being oppressed at this time doesn't mean millions of others aren't in secret (it's very hard to prove at this point in time because everything is still being done in secret). It will continue to get worse as time goes on. If the NSA is left to grow it won't be long before the laws they're currently breaking will simply be removed and then everyone will know how it feels to be ruled under pure tyranny. They won't have to hide and lie at that point in time.

We could have said the exact thing about the CIA in the 50s and at any other point in history. Unless they have mind control, I'm not really into the whole "secret oppression" theory right now.

He obviously doesn't know the FBI under the first director of the FBI far more violating of rights.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 15 2013 18:23 GMT
#95
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 18:31:40
July 15 2013 18:31 GMT
#96
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial.


Do you consider Snowden a spy? And if so, a spy for whom exactly.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 15 2013 18:32 GMT
#97
On July 16 2013 03:31 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial.


Do you consider Snowden a spy? And if so, a spy for whom exactly.

That is not the point. The point is we have put real spies on open trial, so there is no reason why Snowden wouldn't be give a public trial as well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 15 2013 18:33 GMT
#98
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial.

That's what I was trying to say. yOngKIN made it sound like we would secretly detain him, and I was trying to say that that has never been the case in the past.
dreaming of a sunny day
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
July 15 2013 18:39 GMT
#99
On July 16 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 03:31 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:23 Plansix wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:16 packrat386 wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:13 Belha wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:17 yOngKIN wrote:
On July 15 2013 23:15 Whitewing wrote:
If he'd stuck it out at home as an act of civil disobedience so he could actually have his day in court I'd say yes.

He'd have disappeared from the face of the Earth had he stayed in the US one second longer that he did.

Touche.

Not really. We tend to try even state criminals here. When was the last time a US defector "disappeared from the face of the Earth"?

We have openly put spies on trial before, including the two russian spies who stole the atomic bomb plans. There is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have put Snowden on trial.


Do you consider Snowden a spy? And if so, a spy for whom exactly.

That is not the point. The point is we have put real spies on open trial, so there is no reason why Snowden wouldn't be give a public trial as well.


But do you consider him a spy? I'm just asking what it is you think he would be tried for if they got a hold of him.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 18:40:41
July 15 2013 18:40 GMT
#100
On July 16 2013 02:58 packrat386 wrote:
this thread is kind of laughable. Its not like hes the person who is leading the charge for greater privacy protections or actively protesting the usfg's policies. All he did was confirm that they do it, which is something that most people kind of knew already.


I agree in general, but to be fair he has put his life in danger and has basically become a martyr. A lot different than people trying to change things within the system.
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