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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-01 08:52:22
July 01 2023 08:49 GMT
#12301
On July 01 2023 17:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2023 16:24 Acrofales wrote:
On July 01 2023 13:11 KwarK wrote:
On July 01 2023 10:48 castleeMg wrote:
On July 01 2023 10:31 KwarK wrote:
You're not owed banking services.


What a great justification for having your assets locked by the state without any explanation at all. Imagine this happened to you? Would you think “well, that’s their choice, I’m not owed banking services”

Start your own bank.

Your hot takes get more ridiculous by the minute. I have 0 love for Nigel Farage and no reason at all to believe him. And *if* it's true that his bank accounts are being frozen, I am still willing to give the government (even Rish!'s government) the benefit of the doubt that there were court cases and similar procedures that Farage is just not telling us about here. But in the unlikely case that Farage's message is 100% true and the government is unilaterally freezing Farage's bank accounts for no further reason than "they can", the response should be to march on Westminster and demand those totalitarian twats get the hell out of there, not "just start your own bank".


Show nested quote +
On July 01 2023 16:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 01 2023 13:11 KwarK wrote:
On July 01 2023 10:48 castleeMg wrote:
On July 01 2023 10:31 KwarK wrote:
You're not owed banking services.


What a great justification for having your assets locked by the state without any explanation at all. Imagine this happened to you? Would you think “well, that’s their choice, I’m not owed banking services”

Start your own bank.


All due respect, this is a fucking stupid response.

EDIT: I viscerally dislike our boy Nigel, and am personally incredibly pleased he is disempowered. But that does not cut it for state or bank policy. Losing access to your accounts is a rung away from actually being in prison in terms of limitations imposed on someone and is a ridiculous thing to do without good cause and clear avenues to contest.


Have you guys considered that maybe KwarK is using the language and mannerisms of Nigel Farage to satirise Nigel Farage?


If that's the case, he started doing it long ago in contexts completely free of Nigel Farage.
But on the other hand... what if Kwark and NF are the same person? Can You tell them apart? I sure could not.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
July 01 2023 10:30 GMT
#12302
I mean, Kwark has some spicy takes here and there, but it seems pretty clear he's parodying either Farage himself or the right wing in general in this case.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43964 Posts
July 01 2023 13:50 GMT
#12303
Both are possible, the important thing is to allow them to compete in the marketplace of ideas.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-01 15:32:02
July 01 2023 15:21 GMT
#12304
And to think some say sarcasm doesn’t come across well in textual form!

Hm, doing some digging. Seems there might be some legs to this, possibly. Maybe, who knows? The Daily Mails of the world are delightfully biting into this story as part of their unending asinine ‘war on woke’ and other outlets aren’t really reporting on it, or if they are it’s mostly shrugging and saying they can’t confirm.

Considering the banking sector’s practices for much of my mature life, it seems remarkably tone deaf and arrogant for them to unilaterally act as any kind of moral arbiter.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-02 05:54:50
July 01 2023 17:39 GMT
#12305
Trudeau froze the bank accounts of those affiliated with the vaccine mandate protestors in Ottawa last year. Perhaps he started a trend.

Edit: link for source https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-names-banks-freeze-1.6376955
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-01 19:21:41
July 01 2023 18:51 GMT
#12306
--- Nuked ---
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
July 04 2023 11:36 GMT
#12307
So it turns out, after all of his ranting and raving, Farage's account at Coutt's (a prestigious bank for the wealthy) was closed because he went under the limit for how much cash you are holding in the bank.
He was subsequently offered a standard account by Natwest (a regular bank) and refused it, apparently.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22306 Posts
July 04 2023 11:47 GMT
#12308
On July 04 2023 20:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
So it turns out, after all of his ranting and raving, Farage's account at Coutt's (a prestigious bank for the wealthy) was closed because he went under the limit for how much cash you are holding in the bank.
He was subsequently offered a standard account by Natwest (a regular bank) and refused it, apparently.
I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that there was something to the story that he wasn't telling that dramatically changed the prespective.

Never could have guessed it...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
July 04 2023 12:04 GMT
#12309
On July 04 2023 20:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
So it turns out, after all of his ranting and raving, Farage's account at Coutt's (a prestigious bank for the wealthy) was closed because he went under the limit for how much cash you are holding in the bank.
He was subsequently offered a standard account by Natwest (a regular bank) and refused it, apparently.


Shocking that "man of the people" Nigel Farage refused having a standard account.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
July 04 2023 12:53 GMT
#12310
Looks like I was reading too much into it....
Pathetic Greta hater.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
July 04 2023 13:41 GMT
#12311
On July 04 2023 20:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
So it turns out, after all of his ranting and raving, Farage's account at Coutt's (a prestigious bank for the wealthy) was closed because he went under the limit for how much cash you are holding in the bank.
He was subsequently offered a standard account by Natwest (a regular bank) and refused it, apparently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66097039

BBC confirming.

I'm rolling.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 04 2023 14:47 GMT
#12312
Well, the one time I defend Farage (on overreach grounds, not for his sake) and he's just being a lying idiot.

May his coffers run ever dry.
mathenalin
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
July 05 2023 07:04 GMT
#12313
On July 04 2023 23:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Well, the one time I defend Farage (on overreach grounds, not for his sake) and he's just being a lying idiot.

May his coffers run ever dry.


Don't worry, a lot of people took it as a dog-whistling opportunity and now look like idiots.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
July 05 2023 08:24 GMT
#12314
The frustrating part is just given how much information we consuming and how tailored it is, is that the clarification will rarely hit as hard as the initial story.

So now for years ‘sure Nigel Farage had his bank account closed for being conservative’ will be used as an anecdote to augment the ‘loony left are taking our freedoms’ form of argumentation
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
July 05 2023 10:59 GMT
#12315
This works both ways though. If you get your news from a right-wing source then you will see Farage's claims but little to nothing about Coutts financial requirements. Similarly if you use left-wing sources then you may never have seen Farage's initial claims but would have seen an article giving Coutts' side of the story, emphasising the missed financial requirements.

I don't like Farage at all but he claims Coutts have only now decided to enfore this financial requirement despite him violating it for most of the last 10 years. Apparently many people fail to meet the financial requirements for keeping an account with them but do not have their accounts closed.

He also claims that NatWest (Coutts' parent company) only offered him an account after the he went public.

I don't know what has happened. I do not trust Farage, but neither can I trust Coutts. I find it very strange that left-wing people are uncritically accepting the word of a bank exclusively for the wealthy. If a prominent left-wing person was in a similar position I expect the response here would be that Coutts are using the financial requirements as an excuse/a cover for a politically motivated action.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-05 11:09:02
July 05 2023 11:06 GMT
#12316
On July 05 2023 19:59 Melliflue wrote:
This works both ways though. If you get your news from a right-wing source then you will see Farage's claims but little to nothing about Coutts financial requirements. Similarly if you use left-wing sources then you may never have seen Farage's initial claims but would have seen an article giving Coutts' side of the story, emphasising the missed financial requirements.

I don't like Farage at all but he claims Coutts have only now decided to enfore this financial requirement despite him violating it for most of the last 10 years. Apparently many people fail to meet the financial requirements for keeping an account with them but do not have their accounts closed.

He also claims that NatWest (Coutts' parent company) only offered him an account after the he went public.

I don't know what has happened. I do not trust Farage, but neither can I trust Coutts. I find it very strange that left-wing people are uncritically accepting the word of a bank exclusively for the wealthy. If a prominent left-wing person was in a similar position I expect the response here would be that Coutts are using the financial requirements as an excuse/a cover for a politically motivated action.

On the other hand, insinuating that a clearing bank for nobles is a part of some woke leftist conspiracy (I'm looking at YOU, GB NEWS) is equally as dumb

The fact is, Farage has lied, been caught in his lie, rolled back some of the stuff he said and has now moved the goalposts and is now furious about the bank making a statement about his accounting.

When he's already lied in this case just a few days ago, i simply refuse to believe him at all about it any more.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-05 11:50:17
July 05 2023 11:47 GMT
#12317
On July 05 2023 19:59 Melliflue wrote:
This works both ways though. If you get your news from a right-wing source then you will see Farage's claims but little to nothing about Coutts financial requirements. Similarly if you use left-wing sources then you may never have seen Farage's initial claims but would have seen an article giving Coutts' side of the story, emphasising the missed financial requirements.

I don't like Farage at all but he claims Coutts have only now decided to enfore this financial requirement despite him violating it for most of the last 10 years. Apparently many people fail to meet the financial requirements for keeping an account with them but do not have their accounts closed.

He also claims that NatWest (Coutts' parent company) only offered him an account after the he went public.

I don't know what has happened. I do not trust Farage, but neither can I trust Coutts. I find it very strange that left-wing people are uncritically accepting the word of a bank exclusively for the wealthy. If a prominent left-wing person was in a similar position I expect the response here would be that Coutts are using the financial requirements as an excuse/a cover for a politically motivated action.



Mostly I think people were up in arms about the government getting involved. Left wing people (at least me) are perfectly happy to say Coutts is a piece of shit bank doing shady shit with selectively reinforcing rules. They deserve to get shut down. Meanwhile they are (I am) also perfectly happy agreeing that this is NOT the government doing jack shit. This is two spectacularly shitty individuals having a shit flinging contest, so grab the popcorn and pray BOTH of them lose!

And no, I know nothing about Coutts or NatWest, but it's a bank, I don't need to know much more than that to be quite confident they are up to their elbows in dubious shit.

And, well, Farage is a walking, talking turd.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22306 Posts
July 05 2023 12:11 GMT
#12318
On July 05 2023 19:59 Melliflue wrote:
This works both ways though. If you get your news from a right-wing source then you will see Farage's claims but little to nothing about Coutts financial requirements. Similarly if you use left-wing sources then you may never have seen Farage's initial claims but would have seen an article giving Coutts' side of the story, emphasising the missed financial requirements.

I don't like Farage at all but he claims Coutts have only now decided to enfore this financial requirement despite him violating it for most of the last 10 years. Apparently many people fail to meet the financial requirements for keeping an account with them but do not have their accounts closed.

He also claims that NatWest (Coutts' parent company) only offered him an account after the he went public.

I don't know what has happened. I do not trust Farage, but neither can I trust Coutts. I find it very strange that left-wing people are uncritically accepting the word of a bank exclusively for the wealthy. If a prominent left-wing person was in a similar position I expect the response here would be that Coutts are using the financial requirements as an excuse/a cover for a politically motivated action.
If Farage's initial reaction hadn't been a lie then perhaps people would be more willing to believe his later explanations.

Well they wouldn't because of his entire history of lies but you get my point I hope.

And its always "but if this happened to the left they would do the same" and it is so rarely true.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10880 Posts
July 05 2023 12:54 GMT
#12319
People that still believed anything that Farrage said before are not gonna change their mind cause of this.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
July 05 2023 17:10 GMT
#12320
On July 05 2023 21:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2023 19:59 Melliflue wrote:
This works both ways though. If you get your news from a right-wing source then you will see Farage's claims but little to nothing about Coutts financial requirements. Similarly if you use left-wing sources then you may never have seen Farage's initial claims but would have seen an article giving Coutts' side of the story, emphasising the missed financial requirements.

I don't like Farage at all but he claims Coutts have only now decided to enfore this financial requirement despite him violating it for most of the last 10 years. Apparently many people fail to meet the financial requirements for keeping an account with them but do not have their accounts closed.

He also claims that NatWest (Coutts' parent company) only offered him an account after the he went public.

I don't know what has happened. I do not trust Farage, but neither can I trust Coutts. I find it very strange that left-wing people are uncritically accepting the word of a bank exclusively for the wealthy. If a prominent left-wing person was in a similar position I expect the response here would be that Coutts are using the financial requirements as an excuse/a cover for a politically motivated action.
If Farage's initial reaction hadn't been a lie then perhaps people would be more willing to believe his later explanations.

Well they wouldn't because of his entire history of lies but you get my point I hope.

And its always "but if this happened to the left they would do the same" and it is so rarely true.

My point was not that people should have believed Farage. He is a conman with a long history of deceit. My point was that people were very quick to believe the bank. (It was not even an official statement from the bank. The BBC article quoted "people familiar with Coutts' move".)

For example, Wombat went from disbelieving Farage to fully believing Coutts.
How many people in this thread would normally believe Coutts/NatWest? I wouldn't. The BBC journalist who wrote that article has since tweeted that people have been in touch to say their accounts haven't been suspended despite failing to meet the financial requirements.

I should show the same critical thinking about the people claiming Farage is lying as I do about Farage (part of which is considering their history of honesty/integrity where Farage falls very short but banks don't fare well either.)

Btw, I am appalled (but sadly not surprised) that politicians and "news" outlets like GB News ran with the story.
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