EPTIt just follows the common refrain that right wingers don't understand that people don't hate like they do.
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Sermokala
United States13931 Posts
It just follows the common refrain that right wingers don't understand that people don't hate like they do. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
If you compare the resignation speeches of the last UK prime ministers to hers, god are they awful and full of themselves. This one is more of a understated humble brag. While I can not agree with all of the SNPs policies and one could argue that many popular policies are a means to achieving independence instead of having merit on their own, her speech felt incredibly genuine to me and I also loved her identification as a feminist and supporter of marginalized groups. Words that can never sound genuine out of a Tory's mouth. Caveated with a certain lack of depth regarding my knowledge of SNP policy effects on a local level. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On February 16 2023 05:20 Artisreal wrote: Nicola sturgeon resigned, more or less, today. If you compare the resignation speeches of the last UK prime ministers to hers, god are they awful and full of themselves. This one is more of a understated humble brag. While I can not agree with all of the SNPs policies and one could argue that many popular policies are a means to achieving independence instead of having merit on their own, her speech felt incredibly genuine to me and I also loved her identification as a feminist and supporter of marginalized groups. Words that can never sound genuine out of a Tory's mouth. Caveated with a certain lack of depth regarding my knowledge of SNP policy effects on a local level. Well, she also isn't the PM of the UK, so there's that... | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11508 Posts
On February 16 2023 07:28 Artisreal wrote: You mean it's ok to have a leader without dignity as the UK? That seems to be pretty established, definitively after Boris Johnson, probably earlier. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On February 16 2023 07:28 Artisreal wrote: You mean it's ok to have a leader without dignity as the UK? My point was more that they aren't really comparable positions. Also, the last few PMs were forced out and their speeches were geared at defending their "legacy" and preparing a future comeback. Whereas Sturgeon is leaving other own volition and doesn't seem interested in regaining the position in the future. Also, yes, the people voted for BoJo knowing he had no dignity, so that is apparently not a requirement for UK leadership. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Having been forced out doesn't mandate you to give a petty, self-centered resignation speech, does it? It's a sign of character haveing to be dragged out of power by the heels and I wanted to underscore and discuss nothing but the apparent difference between UK and devolved government. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
Those are a rare breed nowadays. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On February 16 2023 17:55 Artisreal wrote: Why are they not comparable? I don't see any argument solidifying this position. Having been forced out doesn't mandate you to give a petty, self-centered resignation speech, does it? It's a sign of character haveing to be dragged out of power by the heels and I wanted to underscore and discuss nothing but the apparent difference between UK and devolved government. Well, they aren't comparable because Westminster is a nest of vipers, with infighting and one-upmanship seemingly more important than running the country. Anybody who floats to the top of that is probably not going to be much of a statesman. Scottish parliament, for whatever reason, seems calmer and more wholesome, so naturally party leaders are more interested in governing rather than avoiding being stabbed in the back. As for being forced out, no it doesn't give you a mandate, but it does give you a rather different mindset. Like... 2 people leave your company. One throws a party to say goodbye to their colleagues. The other shits on his desk. Which one quit and which one was fired? Seems fairly obvious, right? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
One is a shit show and the other less so. Because the Tories actively make their party a viper's nest doesn't necessitate me giving them a carte blanche. I will compare them to functioning governments as much as I like. edit: for clarification, I currently fail to see your point :-/ | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
"If sufficient progress is not being made at the points of further review, more radical structural options - such as dividing up the Met into national, specialist and London responsibilities - should be considered." Some of the cases referred to are absolutely shocking. A raping murderer AND a serial rapist working in the same unit. This report says 'sort it out now or you will get sorted out;. The response from the Chief of the Met was to refuse to acknowledge the word 'institutional' but accepts that the problems are systemic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65015479 | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
If we take the reporting at face level he needs to resign like yesterday. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On March 21 2023 20:02 gobbledydook wrote: Ostrich with its head in the sand. If we take the reporting at face level he needs to resign like yesterday. I'll be fair to the guy, these issues have become apparent since he took over because the Met has at least 'seemed' to be looking to try and root them out. His predecessor, Cressida Dick, absolutely, categorically denied that there were any problems, and the force under her did more work to cover them up than fix them. The threat of the force being broken up will hopefully put them on emergency footing. Problem is, these issues seem to be so deep within the force that I don't even know how you would go about fixing them. The force itself is creating racists, misogynists and homophobes, not just hiring them. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1055 Posts
Raab forced to resign after being found to have bullied civil service staff. This all took far too long given the volume of allegations. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On April 21 2023 18:08 MJG wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-64467038 Raab forced to resign after being found to have bullied civil service staff. This all took far too long given the volume of allegations. Agreed. It should have been the easiest decision Sunak could ever have made. Everywhere Rabb's worked people have complained about him. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
Anyone planning on taking up his offer to swear your allegiance to your new king? Anyone find it absurd that your tax money is being used to coronate your new billionaire king? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 01 2023 03:12 GreenHorizons wrote: What are citizens of the UK's thoughts on coronating their new king soon? Anyone planning on taking up his offer to swear your allegiance to your new king? Anyone find it absurd that your tax money is being used to coronate your new billionaire king? 1: Its necessary given how our country is run. 2: Absolutely fucking not. I won't pledge my allegiance to these people (Prince Andrew is included in this by the way). 3: Of course it is, but that's just Britain. During a crisis the poor are having in our country, the powers that be genuinely believe that people will be thinking "Well I have to choose between eating or heating my house, but at least there's a big royal hoohaa going on and that makes me feel much better' | ||
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United States42689 Posts
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United Kingdom1389 Posts
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