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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8169 Posts
On October 13 2020 03:39 LegalLord wrote: Sadly neither the first nor the last government to think that "learn to code" is some sort of meaningful answer to a widespread un/underemployment problem. Telling artists to do "cyber" because you can't be bothered to help them during this crisis where you have royally fucked them and hit them the hardest just because who cares is fucking disgusting. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8169 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9959 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 13 2020 03:43 Biff The Understudy wrote: Telling artists to do "cyber" because you can't be bothered to help them during this crisis where you have royally fucked them and hit them the hardest just because who cares is fucking disgusting. Perhaps, but hardly uniquely so. There's a huge part of the software industry that prides itself on how successful they are at unemploying people. Once every couple of months there's a government that's tone-deaf enough to say, "hey, people can go get jobs writing code!" rather than doing anything about a systemic problem adversely impacting the working population. Why stop rather than double down when a pandemic exacerbates the problem? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8169 Posts
On October 13 2020 07:11 Kipsate wrote: While a shitty campaign it was made pre-covid and ran and was made in 2019. It just kept running. Its not like it was specifically made for covid retraining. Interesting.. Thanks! | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9959 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/boris-johnson-tells-uk-prepare-for-a-no-deal-brexit Boris Johnson has told Britons to prepare for a no-deal Brexit unless the EU makes a fundamental change in its approach to the deadlocked trade and security talks. In a televised statement, the prime minister stopped short of walking away from the talks, despite his self-imposed deadline for a deal having passed on Thursday. Instead he said the country would have to prepare for a no-deal scenario on 1 January, while paving the way for the talks to continue next week as suggested by the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. He said he was making the decision to prepare for no deal with “a high heart”. “A lot of progress has been made on such issues as social security and aviation, nuclear cooperation,” he said, but “for whatever reason, it’s clear from the [EU] summit that after 45 years of [UK] membership they are not willing, unless there’s some fundamental change of approach, to offer this country the same terms as Canada”. He said that given there were only 10 weeks left until the transition period ended, he had to make a judgement about the likely outcome and to prepare the country. “I concluded that we should get ready for 1 January with arrangements that are more like Australia’s – based on simple principles of global free trade,” he told reporters in a pooled broadcast statement. “So, we have high hearts, and with complete confidence we will prepare to embrace the alternative and we will prosper mightily as an independent free-trading nation, controlling our own borders, our fisheries and setting our own laws.” | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
In all seriousness the whole Brexit project has been such an insane act of self-harm wrapped in some Union Jack patterned gift paper that it is hard to find anything comparably stupid. Farage and co have to be congratulated as very successful snake oil salesmen, and BoJo will get his place in history as well. The implications to the stability of the UK itself will be interesting as well. In Scotland it'll be even harder to sell the line of the unionist parties as stabilizers or the only way to maintain the current living standards when the defining achievements of the current UK government seems to be blatant nepotism in the handling of the covid response and obviously what now appears to be a no-deal Brexit. The support for independence has been steadily climbing for a year and the Scottish Parliament elections in the spring seem to be headed to yet another SNP victory. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On October 16 2020 21:07 Oukka wrote: Oh damnit, how dare those 500 million leftist Europeans dig their heels in and deny us on our righteous path to glory and restoration of the British Excellence(tm). In all seriousness the whole Brexit project has been such an insane act of self-harm wrapped in some Union Jack patterned gift paper that it is hard to find anything comparably stupid. Farage and co have to be congratulated as very successful snake oil salesmen, and BoJo will get his place in history as well. The implications to the stability of the UK itself will be interesting as well. In Scotland it'll be even harder to sell the line of the unionist parties as stabilizers or the only way to maintain the current living standards when the defining achievements of the current UK government seems to be blatant nepotism in the handling of the covid response and obviously what now appears to be a no-deal Brexit. The support for independence has been steadily climbing for a year and the Scottish Parliament elections in the spring seem to be headed to yet another SNP victory. At what stage do people realise it’s snake oil? What happens when they do?Boris, Nigel et al in future It’s going to be very destabilising for the Union, almost certainly. Not just the Scots but over here as well. Not just in terms of the top of the chain in political leadership but a wider schism in population. The increase in jingoism is extremely unpalatable to many of us over here, outside of the hardline unionists. Even amongst other unionists, which I would be among there’s a real visceral reaction against this rise of (mostly English) nationalism. Outside of base pragmatism plenty of us culturally identify with the ‘best’ of Britain, whatever that may be. Do we want to be tethered to a destructive English nationalism that’s willing to destroy everything it touches to rebuild past glories? That talks of the Union and then fucks over the rest of its constituent parts when it suits? Madness | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On October 20 2020 06:55 Sermokala wrote: Whats the attitude in northern ireland about joining Ireland vs staying with England in the event of a hard border? Like I get the troubles are literally the troubles but how far does that still extend these days? It’s extremely difficult to gauge, IMO anyway. Partly because Covid measures really restricts socialising outside of one’s pre-existing circles, so one tends to be stuck in echo chambers. In normal times as a frequent bar lurker I’d have had quite a lot more political chats with relative strangers than I do now. If I was to profile myself in the Northern Irish context it would be as a soft Unionist of a left wing persuasion. To clarify soft Unionist I’m culturally British, consume British media mostly, my family are from Scotland etc, so I lean heavily that way while having no issues with Irish culture and influence over here. Hard Unionists are a bit more protectionist in that sense, to say it lightly. From my own particular social circle anyone who kind of values the kind of cosmopolitan cooperation over nationalism (I.e. me), anyone who works in businesses where they know the nitty gritty of how it might impact (like working in logistics and haulage) or anyone who had ambitions of working in Europe or about where European cooperation is a big part (a friend who’s a physics researcher), there’s definitely been a shift in attitudes there. Even Unionists are applying for Irish citizenship/passports that we’re entitled to as per the Good Friday Agreement and dual nationality. I’d especially say there’s a recoiling against jingoistic rhetoric and behaviours, specifically from the English and English political leadership too. I know very few politically engaged people who don’t despise the Conservative party, but we’re usually tolerant of them to the degree they might get voted out next cycle and there’s only so much damage they can do. We’re also pretty aware that we’re a net drain on the UK’s purse, and Ireland can’t/won’t really subsidise us in a similar manner. With Brexit it’s a different kettle of fish. We’re not necessarily talking irreparable damage, but it’s something whose potential impact is measured at a generational rather than yearly level. Corona’s impact is making projections that were already bad even worse. The polls I saw a while ago were quite interesting. And this is months ago, I’d consider things have gotten ‘worse’ since then. Indeed they may have preceded Corona now I think about them. When questioned about favouring a United Ireland, it flipped into a majority when the condition was a no deal Brexit. Coming from a rather limited experience and biased perspective, but hope you got something from it. Feeling on the ground as I’ve experienced is the (mostly) English are dead set on doubling down on their purchase of snake oil and are happy to fuck over the rest of us in doing so. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
Labour's still in shambles and despite all this metric ton of shit I think the Conservatives are likely to be in power for a while yet. The tide of politics in the UK has shifted firmly to the Conservatives during all this, though maybe the corona virus stuff will sink them. Maybe. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On October 20 2020 11:38 iamthedave wrote: A warning to our friends in Ireland: If y'all are looking at the Conservatives as a party who can be gone next election... change your minds on that. Labour's still in shambles and despite all this metric ton of shit I think the Conservatives are likely to be in power for a while yet. The tide of politics in the UK has shifted firmly to the Conservatives during all this, though maybe the corona virus stuff will sink them. Maybe. It’s fucking bleak enough, leave it out :p I agree with your assessment mind, I meant there’s at least a semi regular chance. And a fair chunk of what I consider the damage of regular Conservative policy is somewhat reparable in a relative short timeframe. Unlike say, Brexit which even if widespread will was there even just logistically will be a nightmare to flip back. Kind of like Trump getting Supreme Court nominees in and them sticking around for decades could be far more impactful long term than what he manages to get done in his term(s) in office. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11951 Posts
On October 20 2020 11:38 iamthedave wrote: A warning to our friends in Ireland: If y'all are looking at the Conservatives as a party who can be gone next election... change your minds on that. Labour's still in shambles and despite all this metric ton of shit I think the Conservatives are likely to be in power for a while yet. The tide of politics in the UK has shifted firmly to the Conservatives during all this, though maybe the corona virus stuff will sink them. Maybe. That is utterly inexplicable to me.Do these people also view brexit, how it is going now, as a positive? From the outside, it looks as if conservatives told people lies about brexit to get elected, then completely failed to deliver the obviously impossible stuff they claimed to be able to deliver, and somehow this means they get reelected? They also fucked up corona and put a clown like Johnson in power. If they stay in power after this, your politics are really strange. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 20 2020 04:47 Nouar wrote: To be fair, it's the right advice. Stay in France. GTFO of UK whilst you still can. Here is some infomation to help you stay and work in France.+ Show Spoiler + Is the british govt prepping for No Deal by sending these kind of ads ? "Shooo, go away, register abroad get a residency status, you're gonna be booted soon if you don't !" ? This is what Facebook showed me this evening. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On October 20 2020 18:10 Simberto wrote: That is utterly inexplicable to me.Do these people also view brexit, how it is going now, as a positive? From the outside, it looks as if conservatives told people lies about brexit to get elected, then completely failed to deliver the obviously impossible stuff they claimed to be able to deliver, and somehow this means they get reelected? They also fucked up corona and put a clown like Johnson in power. If they stay in power after this, your politics are really strange. It’s strange to me as well, specifically the lack of blowback from their own base on not delivering what they promised said base. The Conservatives will always piss people like me off. but it’s not me voting for them or having certain expectations of them to deliver. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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