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On July 10 2018 03:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
He got the job because he is a popular politician who got a regular slot at a popular comedic tv show, and he was needed to shore up support for brexit, as opposed to more unknown MP's, and who knows what happens in the internal politics of the Conservative party anyways? He accepted the job because he would had probably become irrelevant otherwise.
HIGNFY was near two decades ago, and he didn't do that well on it then. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what Boris is for.
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On July 10 2018 02:30 Zaros wrote:
Boris please.... 'The dream is dying'. No man, you sold them a lie, the dream was never a possible reality. At least he actually tried unlike Farage I guess. A bit sad there's not a hint of self criticism in this letter. He campaigned for Brexit without a follow up plan. People told him the stuff he said couldn't happen. That it would lead to less influence in laws with EU, not more. But now he's complaining about how his plan is turning GB into a 'colony of the EU'. It's so dumb.
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Gove has just pulled out of a press conference. It might be nothing but if he leaves something is definitely about to happen.
EDIT: False alarm apparently.
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On July 10 2018 05:20 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2018 05:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 10 2018 04:59 Longshank wrote:
Is there a difference between a hard brexit and a no-deal brexit? No. Yes, Hard brexit would be canada style deal with likely a border in Ireland, with agreements in place on goods,services, flights, travel, visas etc. No deal is just chaos but WTO terms for trade.
No. Your hard brexit deal is a fantasy. Hard brexit = no deal at this point in time. Perhaps it always was. David Davies made that certain by having no negotiating position all the way up till there was one, then he then resigned. Canada style deal doesn't include services, flight, travel, visas etc anyways as far as I know.
On July 10 2018 15:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2018 03:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
He got the job because he is a popular politician who got a regular slot at a popular comedic tv show, and he was needed to shore up support for brexit, as opposed to more unknown MP's, and who knows what happens in the internal politics of the Conservative party anyways? He accepted the job because he would had probably become irrelevant otherwise. HIGNFY was near two decades ago, and he didn't do that well on it then. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what Boris is for.
Which is broadcasted ad infinitum through Dave the TV channel, home of comforting TV reruns.
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So the guy responsible for negotiating with the EU did his best to have no strategy for the talks up to the point where developing a strategy doesn't make sense anymore and then resigned? That's exactly how I perceived the negotiations. No line, no realistic talking points... Urgh.
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On July 10 2018 20:00 schaf wrote:
So the guy responsible for negotiating with the EU did his best to have no strategy for the talks up to the point where developing a strategy doesn't make sense anymore and then resigned? That's exactly how I perceived the negotiations. No line, no realistic talking points... Urgh.
Listen mate, we're the UK, so give us what we want because we're great.
That's our strategy.
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I must admit that despite my disdain for Theresa she played her hand beautifully, kinda remind mi Mazarini.
Cameron resign, she takes the job, balance Cabinet remain = leave. That itself was brilliant given the recent referendum, she kinda had to take some prominent leavers to it, so she did: Johnson, Fox, Davies etc. Everyone was so pleased about it that they failed to notice how aforementioned balance really look like (I am sorry, but if i had to bet on the likes Hammond and Rudd vs Johnson and Fox I know where my money would go and it wouldnt go on the camp with the man whom Mr Oliver described "with the look and economic insight of Bam-Bam from Flinstones").
Johnson gets to be a foreign Secretary - quite a job with 2 important factors - requires traveling and requires some sort of diplomatic skills effectively keeps BoJo away and let him loose credibility by the minute it felt like.
Fox comes back from USA and all the sudden it downs on people, that all the trade deals may not be that fantastic, as promised.
GE last year - not sure if she even cared who wins, if Labour won she would prolly laugh and said - Now you go with it and after Brexit there wont be any Labour cabinet for 20 years. Might have been though that she got (brilliantly) surprised by Corbyn with shifting campaign into domestic stuff rather than Brexit. She looses majority, but gains DUP, which turns out quite important due to Irish border issues and lack of majority without them ( eg; cman guys we have to compromise here, or we never get it through the commons)
All the time none preparation for No Deal are made. Time goes by, Article 50 is in motion, "Tick, Tock" to quote. BoJo becoming more and more of a embarrassment, trade deals seem to have more and more drawbacks, Davies run negotiations seem rather ineffective to say the least, also she stepped in to secure transition period - note here She stepped in not Davies, or anyone else. Unfortunately for her she looses Rudd. All the time she keeps getting through legislations she needs.
Who runs conservative party? Money do. Meanwhile businesses put more and more pressure on No10 and one would imagine on Tory party alltogether. One can only assume that more pressure goes towards hardcore leavers effectively thinning the herd.
Fast forward - Chequers, I am pretty sure she knew she is going to win any non confidence vote (semi confirmed by No 10 statement from today or yesterday that they are going to fight any non confidence vote) and suspect that both BoJo and Davies heard "you can resign Monday morning, or get sacked Monday afternoon" (read somewhere that BoJo resignation letter was finished minutes before PM Thank You letter)
So now she has Cabinet of expendables plus Gove who is Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. As such his impact on negotiations will be through his cronies mostly and they will be way easier to deal with than Gove.
Effectively she saved Conservatives for now and can deal with Brexit however she wants.
Oh and white paper will be rejected by EU because it not only divides 4 freedoms, but also saves UK manufacturing industry and give UK competitive edge over EU members.
Wanted to ask your opinion though, what Brexit you think will Theresa pursue?
On one hand, lack of preparation and Irish border in a treaty seem to suggest soft, but i have the gut feeling that it is not the case at all.
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If by deal with brexit however she wants, you mean, a certain path to the disaster that is no deal, unless the EU in an act of magnanimity deigns to extend a hand, then yes Theresa May can now deal with brexit however she wants. he options has been steadily ticking down with vacillation, till the one attempt to provide clarity has been sabotaged by those with no desire but a hard brexit, under the name of being able to have their cake and eat it.
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Theresa May brexit is a brexit in a couple of years when things are sorted out.
Nevermind, I meant after a transition period whose length is yet to be determined and is up to the progress being made during the coming Brexit negotiations.
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We found a man that can unite the nation...
In hatred, have a look at the comments
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Apparently nobody else is going to say it so I will:
FUCK OFF, BORIS
Selfish, useless, hypocritical, counterproductive, smug, ignorant, did I mention useless? Incompetent fucking pathetic backstabbing snake. He didn't even have the balls to make an actual run for the Prime Minister job, he's tried to sneak in the back door by currying favour from the Brexiteers by going out front and saying stupid moronic things that display how little he knows about everything, because he knows full fucking well he'll never get voted in legitimately because he's a clown and always has been, that Londoners liked because he was funny and quirky and rode a bike everywhere.
Good riddance .And shame on any Conservative who actually wants him as PM. The party that gave us Thatcher, run by Boris FUCKING Johnson? REALLY??? Christ, how times have changed.
And don't give me 'but we can have Gove instead'. Fuck him, too. And for more or less the same reasons. If they're the best and brightest the Tories have, England's in deep shit, because we're going to be stuck with the Tories in government for some time (Corbyn's a strong leader for the base, and the Labour party is recovering a little from the backstab-a-thon 5000 a couple years ago, but I still don't think it's in position to properly threaten the Tories, unless they run an especially weak campaign/candidate... which is admittedly possible if people are honestly, genuinely thinking of putting Boris FUCKING Johnson or The Gove in the seat for any reason other than laughing as they fuck up Brexit and kill their careers).
As for May's position... it's a problem. Of the current pack she seems to be the best politician but perhaps the worst leader due to having all of Hilary Clinton's upsides (being an intelligent career politician and policy wonk) but none of her warmth and charisma. In addition she's worked with the EU extensively and knows how the organisation works, and how the actual deals we actually have with the EU function, and so isn't prone to making massive gaffs like some pro-Brexit MPs have been.
It's why she hasn't been kicked to the curb yet, even though she clearly isn't all that popular. Simply put; she knows what she's talking about in very uncertain times, and putting certain ignorant fuckhead traitorous snakes in the big seat isn't in the country's best interests when we need politicians who actually have a goddamn clue how things work.
As for an about turn on Brexit: I'm sorry, a 52-48% majority is not a fucking democratic mandate to do anything. If I had that split at a party about me going to buy BEER I'd tell them to do another round of discussions before I put my shoes on. People hysterically babbling about how that crucial 4% means WE MUST LEAVE OR DEMOCRACY IS DEAD is partially why it's impossible to have a productive discussion about it. How much more does this whole fucktarded situation need to resemble a burning car heading towards a cliff (that is also on fire) above a lake of flames with us all inside it before someone suggests politely that maybe we ought to turn the wheel a bit?
How much more does it need to be shown that the government has no idea what to do and no plan for what comes after? How much more clearly do we need it displayed that even 'hard Brexit's biggest supporters have no solid idea of what comes after before we put their feet to the fire and demand one?
It's all posturing, with the fate of our country in the balance. My one and only problem with Brexit remains; nobody who supports it can put forward a suggestion that isn't full of colossal holes (see: Canadian 'solution', forgetting that said solution took the best part of a decade to sort out).
As for the Donald Tusk tweets etc.? Fuck it. We're already stubbornly determined that since we put a bullet in the gun WE MUST SHOOT OURSELVES, AND THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC SECOND ALTERNATIVE, THE BULLET MUST GO INTO US SOMEWHERE.
I don't know when Brexit became sadomasochistic, but I wish it never had. All that's left is to find out how badly it stings in the end. And nobody has a clue about that at this point.
Reverting to WTO tariffs seems to be uniquely and universally agreed to be a terrible plan, however. I suspect we'll find some way to avoid that particular issue. Don't know how, don't know what, but it seems to be something nobody wants. But hell, who knows? I'm not even sure the people saying what they want know what they want at this point.
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Haha, Brexit from football as well.
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On July 12 2018 14:25 sc-darkness wrote:Haha, Brexit from football as well.
I approve this most excellent troll. His twitter pic is even trollish. Look at that smile.
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Could be awkward for May especially as she is saying the opposite.
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A trade deal with the US is a nightmare scenario.
It means the end of any even remotely decent regulations on animal welfare, food safety, worker's rights etc.
I'd much rather have a slower economy with EU standards.
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On July 13 2018 06:11 Jockmcplop wrote:A trade deal with the US is a nightmare scenario. It means the end of any even remotely decent regulations on animal welfare, food safety, worker's rights etc. I'd much rather have a slower economy with EU standards. The US position will change with the next President.
EU's position likely won't.
May can just do the same thing the rest of the world is doing. Roll your eyes and wait for him to be gone.
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So this is the front page going round the country tomorrow, I know its Trump but think this could hit May pretty hard.
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On July 13 2018 06:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 06:11 Jockmcplop wrote:A trade deal with the US is a nightmare scenario. It means the end of any even remotely decent regulations on animal welfare, food safety, worker's rights etc. I'd much rather have a slower economy with EU standards. The US position will change with the next President. EU's position likely won't. May can just do the same thing the rest of the world is doing. Roll your eyes and wait for him to be gone.
She can't.
A large section of her party has everything resting on a massive deal with the US, and they actively want to get rid of any restrictions on trade, no matter the cost. Its the tory ideology.
Wow this looks big. Boris been talking to Trump behind her back?
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On July 13 2018 06:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 06:14 Gorsameth wrote:On July 13 2018 06:11 Jockmcplop wrote:A trade deal with the US is a nightmare scenario. It means the end of any even remotely decent regulations on animal welfare, food safety, worker's rights etc. I'd much rather have a slower economy with EU standards. The US position will change with the next President. EU's position likely won't. May can just do the same thing the rest of the world is doing. Roll your eyes and wait for him to be gone. She can't. A large section of her party has everything resting on a massive deal with the US, and they actively want to get rid of any restrictions on trade, no matter the cost. Its the tory ideology. Wow this looks big. Boris been talking to Trump behind her back?
Looks like Boris has and Trump said he would meet him. Don't think it will do Boris any favours he is VERY unpopular in the Parliamentary party but might bring down May in this difficult time.
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How the fuck do you resign on mass and then go to another world leader to attack the current PM and undermine her position? I am not into UK politics all that much, but I wouldn't think that is going to go over well with voters. It would be like a US senator going to the PM of the UK to attack a sitting President. This seems like a most ill conceived plan.
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