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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Debate on the daily politics about what Britain could do to punish Russia, including confiscating property and closing diplomatic relations. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9236 Posts
On March 09 2018 00:33 iamthedave wrote: Then what do you suspect is their objective? Or do you think Putin is an idiot, despite him having consistently advanced Russia's interests in the face of opposition from basically every other major world power? Also, they haven't avoided US sanctions; I think Trump just hasn't put them into action yet. I don't think he's an idiot, but I also don't think he's some mastermind that does no wrong in foreign affairs. All of these controversial moves have a political cost, in this particular case purely to stick to an outdated principle rather than to advance interests. The opposition is not inherent, and it sure would be nice if when talking about Russia's interests we'd be referring to its economy and the well being of its people. Someday perhaps. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11935 Posts
On March 09 2018 02:04 Dan HH wrote: I don't think he's an idiot, but I also don't think he's some mastermind that does no wrong in foreign affairs. All of these controversial moves have a political cost, in this particular case purely to stick to an outdated principle rather than to advance interests. The opposition is not inherent, and it sure would be nice if when talking about Russia's interests we'd be referring to its economy and the well being of its people. Someday perhaps. That is a good point. Putin doesn't necessarily act in russias interest, but he surely acts in Putins interest. And he seems to be pretty good at doing just that. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On March 09 2018 02:04 Dan HH wrote: I don't think he's an idiot, but I also don't think he's some mastermind that does no wrong in foreign affairs. All of these controversial moves have a political cost, in this particular case purely to stick to an outdated principle rather than to advance interests. The opposition is not inherent, and it sure would be nice if when talking about Russia's interests we'd be referring to its economy and the well being of its people. Someday perhaps. The problem is that we have a vested interest in Russia being our enemy. When things were all calm and quiet and fine on the eastern front was when Russia was a weak, marginal nation with a terrible economy we didn't have to think about. The second Russia began to resurge we flipped to being anti-Russia. And if you listen to the posted link above, you'll note that Rifkind basically says 'we can't do shit'. Same reason not much happened with Litvanenko, and I don't think much will happen now. Our government has no international allies anymore. We've lost the EU's support entirely - for obvious reasons - America is unreliable because of a certain individual of orange skin tone, and there's really nobody else invested enough in our wellbeing to back us up on any significant response. May doesn't want a dust-up with Russia right now, that much is for sure. MAYBE we'll go so far as to close the embassy, since this is the second time. I think we'll just expel some diplomats and call it a day. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24154 Posts
On March 09 2018 04:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AP/status/971823174110334976 I feel a "chemical weapons/WMD interdiction" coming | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
Was Bardtown right all along? The plot thickens. User was warned for this post | ||
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Yurie
12128 Posts
On March 09 2018 02:32 iamthedave wrote: The problem is that we have a vested interest in Russia being our enemy. When things were all calm and quiet and fine on the eastern front was when Russia was a weak, marginal nation with a terrible economy we didn't have to think about. The second Russia began to resurge we flipped to being anti-Russia. And if you listen to the posted link above, you'll note that Rifkind basically says 'we can't do shit'. Same reason not much happened with Litvanenko, and I don't think much will happen now. Our government has no international allies anymore. We've lost the EU's support entirely - for obvious reasons - America is unreliable because of a certain individual of orange skin tone, and there's really nobody else invested enough in our wellbeing to back us up on any significant response. May doesn't want a dust-up with Russia right now, that much is for sure. MAYBE we'll go so far as to close the embassy, since this is the second time. I think we'll just expel some diplomats and call it a day. The EU is still an ally of the UK. It just isn't a close ally any longer. The punishment for leaving the union will not be strong enough to force either side to break relations. The EU is built on cooperation and I hope that keeps true even with nations around the union. Russia is a common problem now a days of the union and the UK but neither party wants the problems to become worse than they already are. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18387 Posts
On March 11 2018 20:24 Laurens wrote: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527 Was Bardtown right all along? The plot thickens. Right about what, exactly? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On August 10 2017 03:39 bardtown wrote: Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40879427 So diverse. I wonder what they have in common? User was temp banned for this post. There have been child sex abuse rings in Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby, Bristol, Keighley, Aylesbury, Halifax, Telford, Peterborough, Oxford and Banbury, and they all have the same thing in common, but pointing that out gets you banned apparently. The UK has a serious problem, but does not want to talk about it. Police is too scared to take the appropriate actions for fear of being labelled racist. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11069178/Rotherham-researcher-sent-on-diversity-course-after-raising-alarm.html | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18387 Posts
On March 12 2018 18:45 Laurens wrote: There have been child sex abuse rings in Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby, Bristol, Keighley, Aylesbury, Halifax, Telford, Peterborough, Oxford and Banbury, and they all have the same thing in common, but pointing that out gets you banned apparently. The UK has a serious problem, but does not want to talk about it. Police is too scared to take the appropriate actions for fear of being labelled racist. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11069178/Rotherham-researcher-sent-on-diversity-course-after-raising-alarm.html Just to clarify, is the serious problem that the UK has: a) there are Muslims (or brown ppl, depending on what flavor of bigotry you prefer) living in the country b) there are multiple large child abuse rings active in the country Because let's be absolutely clear here: bardtown meant that the former was the problem, and the latter just one of the consequences of this root problem... And let's stop talking about bardtown and using him as the mouthpiece for ideas. Let's just say what we mean, shall we? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany The Cologne assaults were not reported by the national media for days, and The Local says many news outlets started reporting it only after a wave of anger on social media made covering the story unavoidable.[52] This approved claims that the media is forced into line and was attempting to cover up crimes by immigrants.[53] Both links I provided in posts above discuss police officers not taking the correct actions because the offenders are Muslim and they are scared of disciplinary actions. Does that not seem like a problem to you? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18387 Posts
On March 12 2018 22:01 Laurens wrote: That's not what he meant, or not how I interpreted it anyway. What annoyed him (and me) is that crimes committed by Muslims are partially swept under the rug because talking about it gets you labeled as a racist. Similar to what happened in Cologne on new year's eve some years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany Both links I provided in posts above discuss police officers not taking the correct actions because the offenders are Muslim and they are scared of disciplinary actions. Does that not seem like a problem to you? I believe we discussed that in the subsequent discussion and the conclusion was: 1. Yes, it really is a big problem 2. Police hesitance is linked with the race riots in the early 80s. Clearly it isn't easy to find the right balance of investigating people of color for shit they do wrong, and investigating people of color because of their skin color. And that is indeed a serious problem for the UK. As an aside: see how much easier it is to have a discussion when you just say what you mean rather than implying through vague insinuation? | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On March 12 2018 18:45 Laurens wrote: There have been child sex abuse rings in Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby, Bristol, Keighley, Aylesbury, Halifax, Telford, Peterborough, Oxford and Banbury, and they all have the same thing in common, but pointing that out gets you banned apparently. The UK has a serious problem, but does not want to talk about it. Police is too scared to take the appropriate actions for fear of being labelled racist. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11069178/Rotherham-researcher-sent-on-diversity-course-after-raising-alarm.html Yes, I know they're all men. But what are you going to do? Are you arguing for the feminist utopia where we abort all male children? IDK man pretty radical. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 12 2018 18:45 Laurens wrote: There have been child sex abuse rings in Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby, Bristol, Keighley, Aylesbury, Halifax, Telford, Peterborough, Oxford and Banbury, and they all have the same thing in common, but pointing that out gets you banned apparently. The UK has a serious problem, but does not want to talk about it. Police is too scared to take the appropriate actions for fear of being labelled racist. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11069178/Rotherham-researcher-sent-on-diversity-course-after-raising-alarm.html And, what exactly is it you think bardtown was right all along on? Go on, write it. There's a problem, I agree, but tell us what you think the problem is, so we can talk about it. No insinuations, no bardtown. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On March 13 2018 02:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote: And, what exactly is it you think bardtown was right all along on? Go on, write it. There's a problem, I agree, but tell us what you think the problem is, so we can talk about it. No insinuations, no bardtown. That question was already asked by Acrofales and answered by me, scroll up 5 posts. Not interested in debating the topic much further as I already collected my first warning lol, clearly not a topic that can be discussed on TL. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
There is absolutely no question of whether the police failed these children. The PC excuse is an insult to the intelligence of anyone they tell it to. | ||
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