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On February 19 2018 18:54 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2018 08:28 KelsierSC wrote:On February 19 2018 06:08 sc-darkness wrote:
What's sad is if there is another vote, a lot of people are said to vote for Brexit again.. No lesson is learnt. Well many so called educated people have been labelling anyone who voted leave as Stupid and un-educated, despite not understanding or empathizing with the lives or views of those people. If another vote came around why would they admit a mistake and give those same people the opportunity to be smug. "I was stupid, but you pointed out that i was stupid, so i am going to double down on being stupid so i don't have to admit that you were right when you said i was stupid." The best argument, and a wonderful way of showing that oneself is not stupid.
That is actually a good metaphor for UK politics, though.
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Patronising is not a proper way of conducting discourse.
Albeit having one with a (political) opposition that outright refuses to base their stance onto reality is something I struggle to imagine.
I know that telling someone they're factually wrong doesn't necessarily makes them change their opinion. No science here. Especially if someone they trust more is voicing the false reality. For whatever reason.
How to crack this discord and come back to an honest discourse is what is in dire need of solving. And I don't see it happening. Neither in the UK not here in Germany.
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On February 19 2018 19:35 Artisreal wrote:
Patronising is not a proper way of conducting discourse.
Albeit having one with a (political) opposition that outright refuses to base their stance onto reality is something I struggle to imagine.
I know that telling someone they're factually wrong doesn't necessarily makes them change their opinion. No science here. Especially if someone they trust more is voicing the false reality. For whatever reason.
How to crack this discord and come back to an honest discourse is what is in dire need of solving. And I don't see it happening. Neither in the UK not here in Germany.
The problem is that stupid people think that intelligent people are being patronising. Do you have any idea how patronising it is for an idiot to equate their opinion to that of someone well-educated in the field they're talking about?
I think Michael Gove's 'I think the people of the UK have had enough of experts' is one of the most patronising things I've ever heard. But I guess also a sign of the times. People don't care about facts or information, it's feels, feels, feels all the way down.
And then after everything went exactly the way the people in the know said it would, those same idiots turned around and started asking them to fix it. Leaving them to say: "Yes. If ONLY someone had predicted this."
The biggest issue with Brexit, for me, is it feels like the UK has entered suspended animation until it's sorted. No other issue gets any real play or political focus. That's an awful long time to be focused on just one issue, given we're looking at another x years before it's all done and dusted.
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I've just got a water bill in my country. If we ignore currency exchange rate and put £ in front for display purposes, it's something like £12 for about 5m3. In the UK, for a similar amount with United Utilities, it might be something like £39.79 if I understand https://www.unitedutilities.com/services/your-bill/our-charges-20172018/ correctly.
In this case, this is an example of failed privatisation. Having said that, water isn't privatised in my country.
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On February 22 2018 07:50 sc-darkness wrote:I've just got a water bill in my country. If we ignore currency exchange rate and put £ in front for display purposes, it's something like £12 for about 5m3. In the UK, for a similar amount with United Utilities, it might be something like £39.79 if I understand https://www.unitedutilities.com/services/your-bill/our-charges-20172018/ correctly. In this case, this is an example of failed privatisation. Having said that, water isn't privatised in my country.
It also completely ignores factors like location or population density. Or costs of living. Or wealth. Or any other of hundreds of factors.
As far as comparisons go it is entirely worthless.
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All water is not created equal and all systems to deliver potable water do not cost the same amount of money. A variance in cost between two nations would never be directly comparable. There are way to many factors that are not being taken into account.
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On February 22 2018 07:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 07:50 sc-darkness wrote:I've just got a water bill in my country. If we ignore currency exchange rate and put £ in front for display purposes, it's something like £12 for about 5m3. In the UK, for a similar amount with United Utilities, it might be something like £39.79 if I understand https://www.unitedutilities.com/services/your-bill/our-charges-20172018/ correctly. In this case, this is an example of failed privatisation. Having said that, water isn't privatised in my country. It also completely ignores factors like location or population density. Or costs of living. Or wealth. Or any other of hundreds of factors. As far as comparisons go it is entirely worthless.
I don't care about factors. I care about end price. And it's significantly more in this case. If you're to pay this amount in my country, you may cut your daily costs for one day at most. If you were to pay this amount in the UK, well, it would be more than your typical daily spending to cut.
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On February 22 2018 07:58 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 07:56 Gorsameth wrote:On February 22 2018 07:50 sc-darkness wrote:I've just got a water bill in my country. If we ignore currency exchange rate and put £ in front for display purposes, it's something like £12 for about 5m3. In the UK, for a similar amount with United Utilities, it might be something like £39.79 if I understand https://www.unitedutilities.com/services/your-bill/our-charges-20172018/ correctly. In this case, this is an example of failed privatisation. Having said that, water isn't privatised in my country. It also completely ignores factors like location or population density. Or costs of living. Or wealth. Or any other of hundreds of factors. As far as comparisons go it is entirely worthless. I don't care about factors. I care about end price. And it's significantly more in this case. Then you have no clue what your talking about.
But meh, we knew that already.
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Meh, no one cares about your opinion. I've justified my answer above. If you don't like it, go to your own little world. I've given more than enough explanation for my reasoning as an ordinary person not a person who works at government/water services.
I doubt you have ever lived in the UK to know more about living costs there so you just post here for the sake of increasing your post count.
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On February 22 2018 08:01 sc-darkness wrote:
Meh, no one cares about your opinion. I've justified my answer above. If you don't like it, go to your own little world. I've given more than enough explanation for my reasoning as an ordinary person not a person who works at government/water services.
I doubt you have ever lived in the UK to know more about living costs there so you just post here for the sake of increasing your post count.
What is the point of making a post here, admitting you don't have the faintest understanding of the issues involved, and then getting upset when people point out the weakness of your resulting point? At least have the humility to take a knee at the learning tree.
What point were you trying to make anyway? That the UK pays more for water than your country?
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UK has 5 times the GDP of his country so relatively speaking we are paying less for water.
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isn't GDP per capita more relevant?
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No.
Big Macs per cubic meter tap water would be more appropriate than GDP.
Adjusted for including wastewater treatment of course.
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Looks like the government is finally having a position for the end state wanting to have similar arrangement to Canada with the EU.
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When I say GDP, I mean GDP per capita. No bullshit metric cubic waters there.
His country GDP PPP per capita is half of UK.
Data unavailable for big mac index for his country.
Still bullshit metric is bullshit metrics.
I highly doubt that after all this time Theresa May actually has a position to present. In a week, it'll be back to flaffing about.
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Looks like UK-Russia relations are going to get even worse seeing as Russia continues to believe it can murder people in Britain without penalty and now a police officer has even been hurt in this attack too.
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Also think about the message it sends to anyone in Russia spying for UK. "You are going to die and Your new friends are not able to protect You". This looks like a huge blow to UK intelligence gathering effort.
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Honestly the only thing that comes to mind given his background is, “a traitor died a traitor’s death.”
User was temp banned for this post.
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Who did his daughter betray?
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On March 08 2018 03:57 Sent. wrote:
Who did his daughter betray?
Her father is to blame for putting her in danger with by being a traitor. And the police officer is a fault for getting involved in matters that should not concern him or the British people.
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