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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 06 2017 05:32 sc-darkness wrote: It's a shame because left and right wing can unite here to oppose offshores. We all pay taxes. That's what we have in common. Yup. Its exactly the same people using the offshores who make the decisions so its pretty irrelevant what the rest of us want unfortunately. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 06 2017 05:51 MyTHicaL wrote: Umm. The Right, in general, do not want to pay taxes, at least the conservative right do not. Insanity There's a difference between wanting tax abolished and wanting tax abolished for the rich and not for the poor. Even the conservative right are surely against that. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8109 Posts
On November 06 2017 05:53 Jockmcplop wrote: There's a difference between wanting tax abolished and wanting tax abolished for the rich and not for the poor. Even the conservative right are surely against that. Nope. A lot of them believe in the myth of trickle down economics. These guys cheered when the public learned that Trump had been avoiding taxes for years. It's ok that the rich doesn't pay taxes because surely it's going to trickle down to the poor! Even if all scientific consensus is that it doesn't.. Also a few scientific studies have found that a lot of the poor tend to support breaks for the rich because they want the same rules to apply for them if/when they eventually get rich themselves. | ||
KwarK
United States42878 Posts
On November 06 2017 07:27 Excludos wrote: Nope. A lot of them believe in the myth of trickle down economics. These guys cheered when the public learned that Trump had been avoiding taxes for years. It's ok that the rich doesn't pay taxes because surely it's going to trickle down to the poor! Even if all scientific consensus is that it doesn't.. Also a few scientific studies have found that a lot of the poor tend to support breaks for the rich because they want the same rules to apply for them if/when they eventually get rich themselves. I think you're confusing the British Conservative party with the American Republican party. The Conservatives share most of the same ground as the American Democrats. MyTHicaL's shitpost started all of this off but basically there is no reason to believe that the Conservatives don't believe in taxation or public spending. They disagree about how to spend it, but not that there should be taxes. This is the UK politics topic, not the US. We don't have "defund the IRS" politics in the UK. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 06 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote: I think you're confusing the British Conservative party with the American Republican party. The Conservatives share most of the same ground as the American Democrats. MyTHicaL's shitpost started all of this off but basically there is no reason to believe that the Conservatives don't believe in taxation or public spending. They disagree about how to spend it, but not that there should be taxes. This is the UK politics topic, not the US. We don't have "defund the IRS" politics in the UK. Yeah the tories aren't opposed ideologically to tax, just in practical, everyday terms they tend to be against themselves and their rich friends actually paying tax. Its just what we get for voting them in, not that centrist Labour were any better tbh. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8109 Posts
On November 06 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote: I think you're confusing the British Conservative party with the American Republican party. The Conservatives share most of the same ground as the American Democrats. MyTHicaL's shitpost started all of this off but basically there is no reason to believe that the Conservatives don't believe in taxation or public spending. They disagree about how to spend it, but not that there should be taxes. This is the UK politics topic, not the US. We don't have "defund the IRS" politics in the UK. I apologise, you are quite correct. My head was in American politics, not British. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On November 06 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote: I think you're confusing the British Conservative party with the American Republican party. The Conservatives share most of the same ground as the American Democrats. MyTHicaL's shitpost started all of this off but basically there is no reason to believe that the Conservatives don't believe in taxation or public spending. They disagree about how to spend it, but not that there should be taxes. This is the UK politics topic, not the US. We don't have "defund the IRS" politics in the UK. It's funny because I would be banned for publishing this exact post. By you. You want to enforce rules on politeness? Then apply them to yourself as well. | ||
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KwarK
United States42878 Posts
On November 06 2017 23:02 MyTHicaL wrote: It's funny because I would be banned for publishing this exact post. By you. You want to enforce rules on politeness? Then apply them to yourself as well. Please take any moderation related concerns you may have to website feedback where they belong. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Boris has made some more stupid remarks by saying Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was training journalists. when actually was visiting family in Iran and jailed in 2016 for "trying to overthrow the government." This could lead to an increase in her sentence in jail as Iran is using his comments as evidence for further charges. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 07 2017 03:54 Zaros wrote: Even more crises for the government I think most of the cabinet now has some controversy about them. Priti Patel (international development secretary) had meetings with the PM of Israel and other Israeli ministers without telling anyone in government while on a "family" holiday. Boris has made some more stupid remarks by saying Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was training journalists. when actually was visiting family in Iran and jailed in 2016 for "trying to overthrow the government." This could lead to an increase in her sentence in jail as Iran is using his comments as evidence for further charges. When the crises start building up like this there's usually something underneath going on. It wouldn't be tinfoil hat of me to suggest a major move by a section of the tories to get rid of their opponents would it? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On November 07 2017 04:04 Jockmcplop wrote: When the crises start building up like this there's usually something underneath going on. It wouldn't be tinfoil hat of me to suggest a major move by a section of the tories to get rid of their opponents would it? I don't think so although it may cause one, IMO May should go she cant carry on like this. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 07 2017 05:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh there is definitely something going on in the Conservative Party. Everybody has links to the media, and they are all making a fuss, talking to journalists. MPs are definitely unhappy and they are making it known. If there's something organized going on they need to get on with it and rip the plaster off. We need to have a strong government for Brexit ASAP before it all goes tits up. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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farvacola
United States18831 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9669 Posts
On November 08 2017 01:48 farvacola wrote: If American media portrayals are even remotely accurate, it sounds like the UK political world is tearing itself apart on both sides of the aisle. Is that the case? Yeah everything is a horrible mess. The sex scandals are a serious issue (one MP committed suicide earlier today after being sacked yesterday from Labour). The tories don't seem to be able to hold it together for a week at a time let alone 4 years or the Brexit period. Its a horrible dark time for politics in the UK but some good could come of it if Westminster is forced to start cleaning itself up. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On November 08 2017 01:48 farvacola wrote: If American media portrayals are even remotely accurate, it sounds like the UK political world is tearing itself apart on both sides of the aisle. Is that the case? More the case with the Conservatives than Labour. Labour went through that earlier this year but Corbyn's (comparative) victory marshaled his party behind him, at least in its outward appearance. Cons are about to go nuclear imo. It's easy to blame May (she is terrible) but being in government is lose-lose right now, and Boris and chums are vultures. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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