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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
November 02 2017 13:57 GMT
#7961
So Williamson was Chief Whip, yeah? So he was probably the one who leaked that list anyway, then May is so weak she lets him appoint himself to replace the guy who lost his job because of the leak.
That's pretty brazen.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
November 02 2017 14:04 GMT
#7962
On November 02 2017 22:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
So Williamson was Chief Whip, yeah? So he was probably the one who leaked that list anyway, then May is so weak she lets him appoint himself to replace the guy who lost his job because of the leak.
That's pretty brazen.


Pretty much
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 19:03:14
November 02 2017 19:02 GMT
#7963
On November 02 2017 02:40 Velr wrote:
Most of that unpaid work is paid, by the money the father brings home. Most of the youth work is done by men and also unpaid. Raising your own children isn't work and in case of divorce/seperate pay the father will have to pay (if he can). Women complain they are not getting enough pension, while atm getting most of it allready. Cleaning/eating is also done by singles, do they get to be paid for it too?
I could get into more specific issues, my main point is that 3d wave feminism just isn't adding up.

You think you have an argument, but what do you really got? Women give birth and thats about it.

I have to concede that my knowledge of the Swiss pension system was rather limited and that I jumped to conclusions based on the German system. My mistake.

I see now, that the swiss model already includes the compensation for a child's upbringing as well as added benefits e.g. for children in education and additional transfer payments for those whos' entitlement is below the poverty line - mainly women. To what degree these contribute to your numbers of I have no idea as this appears to not be easily extracted out of the AHVB statistics.

For married couples it's rather easy to say because they share their entitlement.
From what I've read, the sole reason why married women have a higher share is that widowed women is the largest single group of those pensioners who at the same time have the highest pension.
The asexual perspective might sound something like this: Be dependent during young age, be independent during old age.

In essence, men die earlier and stop working 1 year later, Switzerland compensates below poverty levels of income as well as subsidises unpaid work and married couples share the income of their years together. That's why women in Switzerland have a bigger share of the pension stock than their number would suggest. According to my interpretation of the country's statistics. Feel free to correct me. I'm trying to understand you here.

Partnership in life, partnership in pensions. You offer part of your life, I offer part of what I amass in wealth during this period of time. Sounds fine to me. If you're angered by the 20% (?) widower pension increase that benefits women more, I can understand that, but am not on the same page.

You could argue that receiving 5 more years this should somehow be adressed by rising the % women pay.


All that jazz about meninism (I'm being a tad satirical here) just became a thing because women spoke up. Nobody gave a fuck about men's suicide rates or fears or pressure before that. If anything men should thank feminism that this is now something people talk about and work together in dismanteling the belief system that impedes our freedom of expression and hinders us in living a life worth living.

Third-wave feminism encompasses several diverse strains of feminist activity and study. Though exact boundaries are a subject of debate, it is generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present. It is an "individual movement" in the sense that its purpose includes redefining what it is to be a feminist.

wikipedia on 3rd wave feminism.
Dismissing a diverse movement per se is just stupid. I think people can disagree with (many) strains of feminism but saying the whole movement is now baseless comes straight out of the ivory tower.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-03 13:05:09
November 03 2017 13:04 GMT
#7964
A shortage of spares for Royal Navy warships and submarines has forced the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to strip parts from the rest of the fleet, the National Audit Office (NAO) has found.

An NAO investigation found equipment "cannibalisation" had increased by 49% over the past five years.

The spending watchdog warned that the practice was costing the MoD millions of pounds and delayed construction.
The MoD said components were only swapped when "absolutely necessary".

Currently, the Navy has 19 frigates and destroyers and seven attack submarines - but at times they lack the spare parts they need to go to sea.

The NAO said building the third Astute class submarine, HMS Artful, was delayed by 42 days because parts were taken during its construction - adding nearly £5m to the overall cost.

The vessel, built in Barrow in Cumbria, completed its maiden dive in 2014.

The NAO found that, last year, there were 795 instances when spare parts had to be removed from one vessel and given to another - the equivalent of 66 a month, up from 30 a month in 2005.

Between April 2012 and March 2017, there were 3,230 instances involving 6,378 parts, their investigation found.

The NAO report noted that in some circumstances, such as during high-intensity operations, cannibalisation could be the most effective way to keep vessels at sea.

But it said it also increased costs. The NAO said the MoD itself had identified that cannibalisation had affected submarines currently in production "leading to an estimated £40m cost increase".

The watchdog said cuts to the maritime support budget, along with the MoD's failure to monitor the practice, had exacerbated the problem.

"In the past two years, the Navy has removed an estimated £92m from its maritime support in-year budgets," the report said.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "Less than 0.5% of parts we use come from swapping components, and we only do this when it's absolutely necessary to get ships out of port and back on to operations more quickly.

"We continue to make improvements to how we manage this long-established practice."


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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
November 03 2017 13:52 GMT
#7965
It's depressing that "left wing" Corbyn isn't committed to massive cutbacks in military spending. It's such an unbearable waste. There is no alternative to British imperialism currently.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
November 03 2017 22:03 GMT
#7966
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/03/tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-has-whip-suspended-after-serious-allegations

Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has had the Conservative party whip suspended after serious allegations that have been referred to the police, Tory chief whip Julian Smith said.

Elphicke has represented the south coast seat since 2010 and is a member of the Commons Treasury select committee.

Smith, who has only been in the job for a day after a mini-reshuffle, said in a statement: “I have suspended the Conservative party whip from Charlie Elphicke MP following serious allegations that have been referred to the police.”

Elphicke denied any wrongdoing


Another one goes. I wonder how big this will get, and what's really going on in the tory party right now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
November 03 2017 22:48 GMT
#7967
On November 03 2017 22:52 FuzzyJAM wrote:
It's depressing that "left wing" Corbyn isn't committed to massive cutbacks in military spending. It's such an unbearable waste. There is no alternative to British imperialism currently.


He's at least against trident (without explicitly saying it since the last political debates were from seniors demanding that there be a situation where he would nuke someone)...
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
November 04 2017 03:29 GMT
#7968
On November 04 2017 07:48 MyTHicaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2017 22:52 FuzzyJAM wrote:
It's depressing that "left wing" Corbyn isn't committed to massive cutbacks in military spending. It's such an unbearable waste. There is no alternative to British imperialism currently.


He's at least against trident (without explicitly saying it since the last political debates were from seniors demanding that there be a situation where he would nuke someone)...

Yet Labour is explicitly pro-NATO, a nuclear alliance. So it's just NIMBYism, which is the most pathetic form of self-serving moralising. We'll have nuclear protection, but we'll take the moral high ground by pretending we're anti-nuclear.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 21:48:01
November 04 2017 21:46 GMT
#7969
How come UK's everyday banking is free? Who pays for it? Shops and businesses?
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
November 04 2017 23:33 GMT
#7970
On November 05 2017 06:46 sc-darkness wrote:
How come UK's everyday banking is free? Who pays for it? Shops and businesses?

I always assumed it was because the banks use your capital make money by lending out via mortgages and playing markets. Completely biased and may not be nearly true.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-04 23:44:01
November 04 2017 23:42 GMT
#7971
On November 05 2017 06:46 sc-darkness wrote:
How come UK's everyday banking is free? Who pays for it? Shops and businesses?


Banks make money off of a variety of ways. You might notice how when you take up a loan you're paying a rather hefty interest. They also tend to invest a lot of the money they have. The more money they have to invest the more they can make. So in a sense you are not the customer, you are the product. Taking money from every day transactions just work against their interests, which are to have as many people as possible leave their money at your bank and not someone else's. Which is why I'm dumbfounded that banks in America still does this (from what I've heard. I don't live there, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12002 Posts
November 04 2017 23:45 GMT
#7972
Dunno, banks in Germany started charging for transactions and/or having accounts there a few years back. It used to be free, but now you have to pay (Not a lot, like 5-10€ a month, and if you have a lot of money flowing through it is often free again)

My guess is that that has something to do with how low the interest rates are nowadays.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-05 00:46:13
November 05 2017 00:41 GMT
#7973
On November 05 2017 08:33 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2017 06:46 sc-darkness wrote:
How come UK's everyday banking is free? Who pays for it? Shops and businesses?

I always assumed it was because the banks use your capital make money by lending out via mortgages and playing markets. Completely biased and may not be nearly true.


Well, this is what I thought as well. However, my home country seems to charge debit card holders for every transaction. Also, there is a monthly fee. I pay for none of these things in the UK so I find it odd. It's like such banks force you to withdraw most or all of your salary to reduce costs, but then they're the bigger losers because they have less money to invest with.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
November 05 2017 01:09 GMT
#7974
Half of these accusations are either completely unprovable or fairly tame, and just end up muddying the water and obscuring the very serious allegations. It's descended into a weird witch hunt trial by media. That being said, a lot of the allegations in tomorrow's paper do seem to be serious enough to warrant attention.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
November 05 2017 01:10 GMT
#7975
Half the problem just seems to be that Parliament has no HR.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
November 05 2017 08:56 GMT
#7976
On November 05 2017 09:41 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2017 08:33 MoonfireSpam wrote:
On November 05 2017 06:46 sc-darkness wrote:
How come UK's everyday banking is free? Who pays for it? Shops and businesses?

I always assumed it was because the banks use your capital make money by lending out via mortgages and playing markets. Completely biased and may not be nearly true.


Well, this is what I thought as well. However, my home country seems to charge debit card holders for every transaction. Also, there is a monthly fee. I pay for none of these things in the UK so I find it odd. It's like such banks force you to withdraw most or all of your salary to reduce costs, but then they're the bigger losers because they have less money to invest with.


lol.where to begin....
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 05 2017 11:54 GMT
#7977
What is your home country sc-darkness? Banks make plenty of money anyways from people who can't help but overdraw their accounts and hundreds of other overpriced transaction charges. I wouldn't worry too much about their exploitive ability to take money.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
November 05 2017 19:59 GMT
#7978
After Panama Papers, we have Paradise Papers. Basically, another tax offshore scandal. This time focus is on the queen's investments.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-41879690
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
November 05 2017 20:22 GMT
#7979
On November 06 2017 04:59 sc-darkness wrote:
After Panama Papers, we have Paradise Papers. Basically, another tax offshore scandal. This time focus is on the queen's investments.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-41879690


Every time these leaks happen the rich just laugh harder and still don't fix the system because it would be against their interests.

RIP Meatloaf <3
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
November 05 2017 20:32 GMT
#7980
On November 06 2017 05:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2017 04:59 sc-darkness wrote:
After Panama Papers, we have Paradise Papers. Basically, another tax offshore scandal. This time focus is on the queen's investments.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-41879690


Every time these leaks happen the rich just laugh harder and still don't fix the system because it would be against their interests.



It's a shame because left and right wing can unite here to oppose offshores. We all pay taxes. That's what we have in common.
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