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GhastlyUprising
Profile Joined August 2013
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 13:14:57
September 26 2013 13:07 GMT
#641
On September 26 2013 17:51 adwodon wrote:
Sweden was actually in trouble until it embraced a bit more capitalism, it also has some of the most forward thinking unions in the world, the accept that layoffs and downsizing are part of a healthy economy and try to work with business as opposed to against it to ensure prosperity.

They have a pretty good balance in my opinion.
They also have some pretty robust labour laws and -- most crucially -- a society that works with unions rather than against them. Hardly a day goes by over here when the unions aren't smeared by Tory press and politicians.

I don't think anyone on the left is arguing against balance. We're all believers in a mixed-market economy. People like Zaros, who would like to privatize almost everything and hand unlimited power to employers, are the ones who don't believe in balance. (He will go through the motions of denying this, but I'm not going to continue to play his games.)

On September 26 2013 17:51 adwodon wrote:
Don't read Atlas Shrug.
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I have no intention of ever reading that social Darwinian horseshit.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
September 26 2013 15:17 GMT
#642
Why do you have to use so much hyperbole and strawmen Ghastly. It just makes you seem petty
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 26 2013 15:35 GMT
#643
On September 26 2013 22:07 GhastlyUprising wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 17:51 adwodon wrote:
Sweden was actually in trouble until it embraced a bit more capitalism, it also has some of the most forward thinking unions in the world, the accept that layoffs and downsizing are part of a healthy economy and try to work with business as opposed to against it to ensure prosperity.

They have a pretty good balance in my opinion.
They also have some pretty robust labour laws and -- most crucially -- a society that works with unions rather than against them. Hardly a day goes by over here when the unions aren't smeared by Tory press and politicians.

I don't think anyone on the left is arguing against balance. We're all believers in a mixed-market economy. People like Zaros, who would like to privatize almost everything and hand unlimited power to employers, are the ones who don't believe in balance. (He will go through the motions of denying this, but I'm not going to continue to play his games.)

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 17:51 adwodon wrote:
Don't read Atlas Shrug.
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I have no intention of ever reading that social Darwinian horseshit.


As i've said before I only think Government should provide law and order, defence and benefits. So if that is privatise everything then yes w/e .
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 26 2013 23:17 GMT
#644
Why is there so few PMQ's after the recess. Why didn't they have party conventions during said vacation.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2013 20:35 GMT
#645
Jacob Rees-Mogg has risked causing disquiet among Conservative ranks by once again suggesting the party should allow Ukip to win parliamentary seats in order to avoid splitting the right-wing vote.

Speaking on Channel 4, the Tory backbencher suggested striking a deal with Nigel Farage’s party, for which the Ukip MEP would expect to gain some members of Parliament. Rees-Mogg added that such an arrangement was “likely” to be discussed in 2014.

"I'm not going to say which of my friends I think should make way for Ukip," he told the broadcaster on Friday evening.

"Potentially some, some... Ukip would expect to get some Members of Parliament out of this, yes, yes, of course. My view is that it is likely that there will be some discussions about how to do a deal in a year from now."

Earlier this year, Rees-Mogg mooted the notion of a grand alliance between Ukip and the Conservative in order to retain a right-wing hold on government.


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Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
September 28 2013 09:59 GMT
#646
Just so happened I was watching a QI that had a bit on Jacob Rees-Mogg the other day.



While I'm sure moves like this are being discussed, I think don't think it's something that either the conservatives or UKIP will want the public to be debating. Possible gaffe by JR?
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 19:41 GMT
#647
In perhaps the least surprising revelation of the Tory Party conference, David Cameron has expressed his desire to serve a second term as prime minister and this time without Nick Clegg.

Speaking on Tuesday, Cameron said that his policy returning Britain to a surplus meant that there was no room for a "spending splurge" should the Tories be returned to government following the 2015 vote. But he denied that the self-imposed constraint - announced yesterday by Chancellor George Osborne - would necessarily mean more reductions in spending on public services, and hinted that there could be more tax cuts in the offing.

There has been much speculation in Westminster that the Conservative leader might stand down half-way through a second term as Prime Minister - possibly after the 2017 referendum which he has promised on the UK's membership of the European Union. But asked about his plans during a round of TV interviews at the Conservative conference in Manchester, Cameron told ITV News: "When it comes to the next election, I will be putting myself forward for a full term - that's what I will do."

Cameron said that the Tories were "only just beginning the work" of putting the British economy back on a stable footing. "Mending what was broken is only half the job," he said. "The real job I am committed to is building a recovery and an economy for all, so that everyone benefits as the economy starts to grow and we start to turn that corner. That's what really fires me up, rather than just getting us out of the mess we were left... We are only just beginning the work. I don't want to quit half way through that. I want to get that done and get it done properly."

Osborne's announcement that the Conservatives will aim to deliver a surplus - spending less as a Government than they take in from taxes and other revenues - even if they succeed in eliminating the deficit in 2018 as planned has led to predictions of seven more years of austerity economics.


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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9845 Posts
October 04 2013 12:22 GMT
#648
Here is a selection of clips of the REAL working man's hero in parliament:







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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9845 Posts
October 04 2013 12:25 GMT
#649
And from question time last night, regarding the Daily Mail. This guy tells it how it is.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 06 2013 23:17 GMT
#650
Former cabinet minister Liam Fox successfully claimed 3p of taxpayers' money for a car journey of about 100 metres, expenses documents reveal.

The Tory MP made the claim after travelling 0.06 miles, or approximately 96.5 metres, within his North Somerset constituency from a concrete firm to a constituency surgery in Yatton in October 2012.

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) notes the claim was paid last December.

Mr Fox also had another 15 claims of under £1 for car travel approved in 2012/13.

These included 24p for a 0.54-mile journey from a constituency surgery to a school competition in Clevedon and 44p for a 0.98-mile journey from a meet your MP event at Winford Manor to Winford School.

MPs can claim 45p per mile.

Ipsa paperwork shows Mr Fox claimed £3,866.31 in travel expenses in 2012/13, which includes rail fares.


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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
October 06 2013 23:58 GMT
#651
On October 07 2013 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Former cabinet minister Liam Fox successfully claimed 3p of taxpayers' money for a car journey of about 100 metres, expenses documents reveal.

The Tory MP made the claim after travelling 0.06 miles, or approximately 96.5 metres, within his North Somerset constituency from a concrete firm to a constituency surgery in Yatton in October 2012.

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) notes the claim was paid last December.

Mr Fox also had another 15 claims of under £1 for car travel approved in 2012/13.

These included 24p for a 0.54-mile journey from a constituency surgery to a school competition in Clevedon and 44p for a 0.98-mile journey from a meet your MP event at Winford Manor to Winford School.

MPs can claim 45p per mile.

Ipsa paperwork shows Mr Fox claimed £3,866.31 in travel expenses in 2012/13, which includes rail fares.


Source

Yeah I read about that earlier today, who the hell takes a car for a 100 metre journey and surely he could afford 3p?
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
October 07 2013 00:55 GMT
#652
On October 04 2013 21:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
And from question time last night, regarding the Daily Mail. This guy tells it how it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ZCrDtAC7A


quite right

even if it is a very hypocritical thing hes doing. not exactly the kind of person i'd want to hang out with
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
October 07 2013 01:17 GMT
#653
On October 07 2013 08:58 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Former cabinet minister Liam Fox successfully claimed 3p of taxpayers' money for a car journey of about 100 metres, expenses documents reveal.

The Tory MP made the claim after travelling 0.06 miles, or approximately 96.5 metres, within his North Somerset constituency from a concrete firm to a constituency surgery in Yatton in October 2012.

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) notes the claim was paid last December.

Mr Fox also had another 15 claims of under £1 for car travel approved in 2012/13.

These included 24p for a 0.54-mile journey from a constituency surgery to a school competition in Clevedon and 44p for a 0.98-mile journey from a meet your MP event at Winford Manor to Winford School.

MPs can claim 45p per mile.

Ipsa paperwork shows Mr Fox claimed £3,866.31 in travel expenses in 2012/13, which includes rail fares.


Source

Yeah I read about that earlier today, who the hell takes a car for a 100 metre journey and surely he could afford 3p?


I'm guessing that he gets reimbursed x per km for car journeys. He says his office does them. So this is pretty much just an overly ...

You know what? I just ran out of care.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43973 Posts
October 07 2013 02:01 GMT
#654
On October 07 2013 08:58 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Former cabinet minister Liam Fox successfully claimed 3p of taxpayers' money for a car journey of about 100 metres, expenses documents reveal.

The Tory MP made the claim after travelling 0.06 miles, or approximately 96.5 metres, within his North Somerset constituency from a concrete firm to a constituency surgery in Yatton in October 2012.

The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) notes the claim was paid last December.

Mr Fox also had another 15 claims of under £1 for car travel approved in 2012/13.

These included 24p for a 0.54-mile journey from a constituency surgery to a school competition in Clevedon and 44p for a 0.98-mile journey from a meet your MP event at Winford Manor to Winford School.

MPs can claim 45p per mile.

Ipsa paperwork shows Mr Fox claimed £3,866.31 in travel expenses in 2012/13, which includes rail fares.


Source

Yeah I read about that earlier today, who the hell takes a car for a 100 metre journey and surely he could afford 3p?

It's not about what you can afford, it's about politics being open to people other than the landed gentry who could afford to devote their time to such vanities as they didn't need to put food on the table. Expenses are a fundamental part of having a fair and representative democracy. Once you start expecting they pay for things out of pocket you start taking political power out of the hands of the people who need to work for their food.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 07 2013 03:51 GMT
#655
Downing Street was thrown into panic last night by a rebel Tory bid to force an early referendum on quitting the EU.
In a direct challenge to the Prime Minister’s authority, Conservative MP Adam Afriyie said people did not trust David Cameron’s pledge to hold a vote on Europe in 2017.

Backed by Tory and Labour Eurosceptics, he is set to force a Commons vote on the issue in five weeks’ time.

If he wins, it would mean Parliament had ruled that the referendum should be fast-forwarded to next October.


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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 17:43:02
October 07 2013 13:50 GMT
#656
Big day today with 3 party reshuffles:

In

Judith Jolly – whip in the House of Lords (LD)
Anna Soubry - Parliamentary Under Secretary at Ministry of Defence (Con)
Tina Stowell- Parliamentary Under Secretary at DCLG (Con)
Kris Hopkins - Parliamentary Under Secretary at DCLG (Con)
Wayne David - PPS to Miliband (Lab)
Amber Rudd - assistant whip (Con)
Claire Perry - assistant whip (Con)
Gavin Barwell - assistant whip (Con)
John Penrose – assistant whip (Con)
Karen Bradley – government whip (Con)
Douglas Alexander – chair of General Election strategy, as well as shadow foreign secretary (Lab)
Emma Reynolds - shadow minister for Housing, attending shadow cabinet (Lab)
Gloria de Piero – shadow Minister for Women and Equalities (Lab)
Tristram Hunt – shadow Education secretary (Lab)
Vernon Coaker - shadow Secretary of State for Defence (Lab)
Chris Leslie – shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury (Lab)
Rachel Reeves- shadow shadow Work and Pensions Secretary (Lab)
Jane Ellison - Parliamentary Under Secretary at Department of Health (Con)
Stephen Williams - Parliamentary Under Secretary at DCLG (LD)
Dan Rogerson – Parliamentary Under Secretary at DEFRA (LD)
Sam Gyimah - Whips’ Office (Con)
Michael Dugher – shadow Cabinet Office minister (Lab)
Robert Goodwill – Parliamentary Under Secretary at the Department of Transport
Shailesh Vara – Parliamentary Under Secretary at the Ministry of Justice
Matthew Hancock – Skills and Enterprise Minister (Con)
Norman Baker – Home Office minister (Lib Dem)
Susan Kramer – Minister of State at Department for Transport (Lib Dem)
Andrew Robathan – Minister of State at Northern Ireland Office (Con)
Hugh Robertson – Minister of State at Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Con)
Nicky Morgan – Economic secretary to the Treasury (Con)
Sajid Javid – Financial secretary to the Treasury
Mike Penning - Minister of State at DWP (Con)
Greg Clark – Cities and constitution minister (Con)
Esther McVey – Employment Minister (Con)
Greg Hands – Deputy Chief Whip (Con)
Don Foster – Chief Whip (LD)
Alistair Carmichael – Scottish Secretary (LD)

Down or sideways

Mary Creagh and Maria Eagle are performing a straight swap from DEFRA to Transport briefs (Lab)
Ivan Lewis – moved to Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (Lab)
Stephen Twigg – moved from Shadow Shadow Minister for political and constitutional reform (Lab)
Liam Byrne – demoted to Shadow Minister for Higher Education (Lab)
Jim Murphy – moved from shadow defence secretary to International Development (Lab)
Helen Grant – loses half her job at Justice to remain parliamentary under-secretary at DCMS (Con)
Greg Clark – loses the Treasury half of his job (Con)

Out

Jon Trickett – shadow Cabinet Office Minister (Lab)
Alistair Burt – Foreign and Commonwealth Minister (Con)
Liam Byrne sacked as Shadow Work and Pensions (Lab)
Stephen Twigg sacked from Shadow Education (Lab)
Greg Knight – sacked as a whip (Con)
Jeremy Browne - sacked as Minister of State for the Home Office (LD)
Mark Hoban – sacked as Employment minister (Con)
Mark Prisk – sacked as Housing minister (Con)
Richard Benyon – left the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Con)
Michael Moore – sacked as Scottish Secretary (LD)
John Randall – resigned yesterday as Deputy chief whip (Con)
Chloe Smith – resigned yesterday as Cabinet Office minister (Con)
Simon Burns – resigned earlier this week as Transport Minister (Con)
Rob Flello – resigned last week as shadow justice minister (Lab)
Anne Maguire – resigned last week as shadow minister for disabled people (Lab)

Looks like Miliband is getting rid of the last of the Blairites :/ so the union barons get their way as usual with Stephen Twigg Gone, Byrne Gone and Murphy demoted. A conspiracy theorist who believes the security services are murdering innocent people has been promoted to the home office (Norman Baker) wtf? Jeremy Browne one of the best lib dem ministers and loyal Cleggite has been sacked, dunno why the hell that has happened will probably get poached by the conservatives now.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 07 2013 20:53 GMT
#657
George Osborne has risked public controversy by starting the process to break up the Royal Bank of Scotland early in order to avoid tough EU rules, such as a £471,000 executive pay cap.

The Chancellor filed papers in July informing the European Commission of his plans to split RBS into a "good bank" and "bad bank", which could involve extra state funding, just days before the new EU rules for state-backed banks came into effect. The government currently has a stake of around 80% in the bank.

Senior executives at state-backed banks cannot earn more than 15 times the national average salary or 10 times the wages of the average bank staff member under the EU's new rules. If the rules came into effect, new RBS chief executive Ross McEwan would be forced to accept half of his current £1 million salary.

Osborne's latest move comes less than a fortnight after he lodged a legal challenge against the European Union's planned bank bonus cap.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43973 Posts
October 07 2013 21:08 GMT
#658
By what right does the EU impose wage restrictions within the UK? Presumably something to do with state backed banks getting an effective subsidy in the free market but even so I think that is outside their jurisdiction. I don't especially care about that issue but it seems odd.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 07 2013 21:14 GMT
#659
On October 08 2013 06:08 KwarK wrote:
By what right does the EU impose wage restrictions within the UK? Presumably something to do with state backed banks getting an effective subsidy in the free market but even so I think that is outside their jurisdiction. I don't especially care about that issue but it seems odd.


They are very hypocritical it says in their own rules that EU musn't interfere in Salaries and pay.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9845 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 01:54:07
October 09 2013 23:20 GMT
#660
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24461921


The police will have greater powers to restrict the freedom of any individual they suspect of being a potential sex offender, under government proposals.

The restrictions - which could be used against a person never convicted - include limiting internet use and preventing travel abroad.

Breaching a sexual risk order could lead to a five-year jail sentence.

The government said the police will have greater powers to restrict "any person they judge to be a risk".


misread..
stupid proposal though
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