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On September 24 2013 19:17 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 19:11 Zealos wrote:
I think Miliband might be alright. He's just a shocking public speaker with no mass appeal.
It'll be interesting in the run up to the election as more and more of Labours policies get revealed. I can't really think of anything worse tbh, at least David Cameron somewhat believes in the market and people, Miliband is openly hostile and would be an embarrassment on the world stage lol.
Openly hostile in what sense?
And regardless of the pro's and con's of Cameron himself, with only a small majority, the radical right parts of his party would have much more of a say in their policies, which seems like a disaster in waiting.
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David Cameron is openly hostile to about 50% of the people in this country.
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On September 24 2013 19:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
David Cameron is openly hostile to about 50% of the people in this country.
When has he been openly hostile to 50% of the country?
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I think it's embarrassing that economically sound policy seems to be diametrically opposed to what people want out of their country
I don't know whether that's due to economic illiteracy or simply the effect of incentives for oneself over the greater whole
The worst part about it is that economics isn't an exact science either as there are so many conflicting views, but we are usually assured that the result we get is the worst of both worlds...
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I don't understand your point. Do you mean that people don't understand that the best for the country isn't always themselves having as much money as possible or?
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On September 24 2013 19:47 BrTarolg wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that economically sound policy seems to be diametrically opposed to what people want out of their country
I don't know whether that's due to economic illiteracy or simply the effect of incentives for oneself over the greater whole
The worst part about it is that economics isn't an exact science either as there are so many conflicting views, but we are usually assured that the result we get is the worst of both worlds...
I find it incredibly unlikely that you have any grasp upon what economically sound policy is, nor the knowledge to actually make such a judgement. The fact that you think you do is even more surprising and speaks volumes about you, Socrates has this to say about people like you.
I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do.
For the record, the economy of a country functions differently to that of a household and national debts function differently to credit cards.
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On September 24 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 19:47 BrTarolg wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that economically sound policy seems to be diametrically opposed to what people want out of their country
I don't know whether that's due to economic illiteracy or simply the effect of incentives for oneself over the greater whole
The worst part about it is that economics isn't an exact science either as there are so many conflicting views, but we are usually assured that the result we get is the worst of both worlds... I find it incredibly unlikely that you have any grasp upon what economically sound policy is, nor the knowledge to actually make such a judgement. The fact that you think you do is even more surprising and speaks volumes about you, Socrates has this to say about people like you. Show nested quote +I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. For the record, the economy of a country functions differently to that of a household and national debts function differently to credit cards.
Probably should also mention that economics is not a science at all. Anyone that says it is either doesnt understand science or doesnt understand economics.
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So Ed Miliband wants price controls, land seizures 1970s NHS, I think he is definitely red Ed.
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I think that the energy sector is just an easy target for politicians (and the media) because prices have increased a lot recently, when the fact is that the increases have been to cover new environmental costs. While the commercial divisions of energy firms makes large profits, the other divisions (generation, r&d, renewables etc) make losses, while leaves the overall net profit (for UK operations) in these companies of less than 5% of revenue. I think that is a bit harsh to say that companies are overcharging in this case.
I also do not really agree with letting 16 year olds vote. Heck, I would not be unhappy with raising the voting age to 25 :p . It will vary heavily from person to person, but when I was 16 neither myself or any of my friends knew the slightest thing about politics or anything involved with it.
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Ed Miliband has pledged that his Labour party would give people the right to vote from the age of 16, to a standing ovation from the Brighton conference floor.
He outlined a tough stance on land-grabbing developers, telling them they must "use or lose" the land they own. And he promised that Labour will tackle the housing crisis with 200,000 more homes a year and freeze gas and electricity prices until 2017, if voted into power.
Keeping schools open for breakfast clubs and afterschool clubs, free nursery care and a promise to "strengthen" the minimum wage were key pledges aimed at attracting parents and workers.
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All pretty good stuff, but it's no surprise that he hasn't outlined any polices that may be deemed unpopular.
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Freezing energy prices for two years isn't that big a deal. It's £120 over two years. Much more important is the idea of a regulator, which Miliband alluded to in his speech.
The most important thing in his speech, however, almost certainly seems to be the house-building. Apparently £120 over two years for the middle class is a bigger deal to the BBC and the Guardian than the entire livelihoods of those on low income, who will need those new houses just to cope with the cost of living come 2020.
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Labour making the UK into the new Blade Runner.
Labour disband pls.
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On September 25 2013 03:41 Zealos wrote:
Labour making the UK into the new Blade Runner.
Labour disband pls. As goes without saying, there's a difference between house-building to accommodate our current and naturally growing population, and house-building just for the sake of future immigrants.
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On September 24 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 19:47 BrTarolg wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that economically sound policy seems to be diametrically opposed to what people want out of their country
I don't know whether that's due to economic illiteracy or simply the effect of incentives for oneself over the greater whole
The worst part about it is that economics isn't an exact science either as there are so many conflicting views, but we are usually assured that the result we get is the worst of both worlds... I find it incredibly unlikely that you have any grasp upon what economically sound policy is, nor the knowledge to actually make such a judgement. The fact that you think you do is even more surprising and speaks volumes about you, Socrates has this to say about people like you. Show nested quote +I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. For the record, the economy of a country functions differently to that of a household and national debts function differently to credit cards.
I don't get it, I haven't even made any economic assertion or provided an argument for any particular policy in this post (regardless if I have a few in mind)
Why is this a cue to launch an attack on me? Saying that i can't possibly know anything about what i'm talking about (especially in a subject that interests me intensely and is partly my job to do so), referring to "people like me" and pulling some *completely* unrelated quote out which essentially declares in some weird, passive aggressive way that you're wiser than me?
I mean.. ok...
Am i missing something? Did i write something bad earlier?
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I think your post was very vague. I had no idea what you meant by your post, so it is possible it was misunderstood to mean something you did not intend.
I for one would welcome clarification, as it seemed like an interesting post.
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On September 25 2013 06:40 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2013 19:47 BrTarolg wrote:
I think it's embarrassing that economically sound policy seems to be diametrically opposed to what people want out of their country
I don't know whether that's due to economic illiteracy or simply the effect of incentives for oneself over the greater whole
The worst part about it is that economics isn't an exact science either as there are so many conflicting views, but we are usually assured that the result we get is the worst of both worlds... I find it incredibly unlikely that you have any grasp upon what economically sound policy is, nor the knowledge to actually make such a judgement. The fact that you think you do is even more surprising and speaks volumes about you, Socrates has this to say about people like you. I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. For the record, the economy of a country functions differently to that of a household and national debts function differently to credit cards. I don't get it, I haven't even made any economic assertion or provided an argument for any particular policy in this post (regardless if I have a few in mind) Why is this a cue to launch an attack on me? Saying that i can't possibly know anything about what i'm talking about (especially in a subject that interests me intensely and is partly my job to do so), referring to "people like me" and pulling some *completely* unrelated quote out which essentially declares in some weird, passive aggressive way that you're wiser than me? I mean.. ok... Am i missing something? Did i write something bad earlier?
Economists cannot agree amongst themselves what economically sound policy is and yet an awful lot of people in this country seem very happy to condemn an awful lot of other people for pursuing economically unsound policy which is generally just whatever they disagree with politically. Nowhere is this more obvious than when people on the right blame entitlements and explain how national debt is unequivocally always bad.
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I think the debt is just a false argument, yes the deficit is very high and should be reduced but that is more a symptom of a bigger problem being too large of a state rather than being the problem in itself.
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