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On December 15 2016 03:51 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe we should have parliamentary elections to properly understand the scope of how this should be carried out. Do the people want hard Brexit, single market, or just to crawl back to the EU with their tails between their legs? If the original vote was between single market, to leave the single market or to remain in the EU, to remain in the EU would had won by a landslide. You do realise it is Theresa May that has decided to conceal her plans? Why would she decide to allow another referendum?
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On December 15 2016 03:51 LegalLord wrote:
crawl back to the EU with their tails between their legs You don't seem to understand that UK is still a member of of the EU. Nor do you seem to understand that the "people" are divided over the issue.
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You can believe it is a good idea to leave the EU or you may believe it is a good idea to stay in the EU, but I think we can all agree that it is a bad idea to continue this secrecy bait-and-switch nonsense where everything is moving in limbo. I dont see how the current situation can benefit anybody.
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Regarding parliamentary elections: Tories are way too far ahead to lose. The same Tories pushing for a hard Brexit. Also, if you really think Corbyn would want to keep the UK in the single market you're deluded. Meanwhile the Liberal not-Democrats sell their souls (again) for short term gain by opposing the result of the referendum. Anyway, a parliamentary election is completely meaningless right now. There is only one party. It's shameful, and we are lucky that the party is split down the middle so as to provide its own opposition.
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Opposing the referendum. I dont know, representing the 48% would actually win you the GE. I wonder how many warning bells must go off for Brexiteers to admit they were just plain wrong.. Something of earthquake proportions. At least we can thank you for for uniting the EU more closely than before.
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On December 16 2016 20:24 bardtown wrote:
Regarding parliamentary elections: Tories are way too far ahead to lose. The same Tories pushing for a hard Brexit. Also, if you really think Corbyn would want to keep the UK in the single market you're deluded. Meanwhile the Liberal not-Democrats sell their souls (again) for short term gain by opposing the result of the referendum. Anyway, a parliamentary election is completely meaningless right now. There is only one party. It's shameful, and we are lucky that the party is split down the middle so as to provide its own opposition.
Isn't there a significant part of the tories which is for a soft Brexit? Iirc this includes Osborne. Anyway yeh a parliamentary election seems kind of pointless at the moment.
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No. A parliamentary election is essential.
At the moment a Brexit manifesto-less Tory party with a PM who wasn't expected by the population (since we don't elect the PM) is directing us on Brexit with zero mandate from the population.
We NEED an election. Otherwise we have a politician on an unelected platform doing whatever the fuck they want based on their own personal views which weren't put to the country for a vote.
We may have voted Brexit, but we didn't vote on what Brexit meant.
May can shout about Red White and Blue, Hard, Soft, Brexit Means Brexit, but the general population hasn't actually said what they want from Brexit, and she hasn't been voted in based on a promise of a type of Brexit. She is doing whatever she wants with no mandate.
And I use the term mandate repeatedly because the Tories felt talking about their mandate to do things was important when they got in power. May also talks about their being no Tory mandate for grammar schools.
Well, Ms May, where the fuck is your mandate for your "Red White and Blue" Brexit, or "Brexit means Brexit" Brexit? No fucking where.
It's not about the Tories winning or losing. It's about them telling us what their proposal for the future is, and us voting on it. We voted for the Tories and that included a promise for a referendum, that's where it ended. Post referendum they are just doing whatever they want.
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That's not how these things work. You can't demand elections everytime the government has to make an unexpected decision about something.
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But elections every time the PM retires and your nation has to make one of the most consequential decisions in its history might just be justified.
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On December 16 2016 23:45 LegalLord wrote:
But elections every time the PM retires and your nation has to make one of the most consequential decisions in its history might just be justified.
Do you vote for a party or for a PM?
The decision was already made, you voted for the party that wanted the referendum, and the referendum happened.
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legalord isn't British; he didn't vote. That's beside the point. There's an awful lot of misconceptions and misinformation in the last 2 pages, but that is only to be expected when British nationals are not the ones posting. A vote for the Conservative Party is not a vote to leave the EU. Leaving the EU was not a policy of the Conservative Party during the general election. In British Politics, the party is voted into power not the PM. In this case it was the Conservative Party with David Cameron as the PM. David Cameron is against leaving the EU, but instigated the non-binding referendum as he wanted to unite the Conservative Party through the referendum. However he didn't expect the result and unexpectedly resigned. The majority which voted to leave the EU actually expected David Cameron to lead UK out of the EU. Most likely, if David Cameron was still the PM, article 50 would have been activated, with UK quickly and formally out of the EU but still within the single market with all that would imply.
In any case, unlike other countries, under parliamentary tradition, the PM leads with Parliament, not to ignore it. The PM does not conduct secret deals and bills, even in times of warfare. Theresa May's attempt to bypass Parliament is regarded as a dangerous abuse of power. Even if there were a fresh election and if the Conservatives win again, individual Conservative MP would again oppose a secret negotiation strategy as they currently are. As it is today, if tomorrow, there was a referendum for only a "hard" or "soft" exit of the EU, the "soft" exit vote would win by a landslide.
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On December 16 2016 21:20 MyTHicaL wrote:
Opposing the referendum. I dont know, representing the 48% would actually win you the GE. I wonder how many warning bells must go off for Brexiteers to admit they were just plain wrong.. Something of earthquake proportions. At least we can thank you for for uniting the EU more closely than before.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/organisation/press/british-council-releases-new-post-brexit-g20-survey
Another survey for you  . Entire world apart from Europe thinks Brexit is a good thing.
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What a completely pointless link with no actual value whatsoever. Oh wait, checked the authour.
Thinking a country is more or less attractive doesn't mean anything towards Brexit. Other economic powers of course would want the EU mega power to be diminished. Goddamn are you _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ - best not use insults in case certain sensitive german admins get upset.
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Having read it, that's not what the link says. There's a lot that could be inferred, but that's not one of it.
In any case, it's not related in any way to what Mythical was saying, so I don't know why you quoted him.
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He is a disgusting human being, but so long as media coverage rewards him for every outrage he will continue to do so. This is a new low though. As for support? I don't know. Your best bet is to ask specific members who post here how they can support such a person.
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You way overestimate people
Remember the next president of the US boasted about grabbing women by the pussy
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the exit hasnt even been started yet...
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EPT
