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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9206 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 06:17:55
November 05 2016 06:16 GMT
#4981
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
November 05 2016 09:16 GMT
#4982
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo


That's incredible.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 05 2016 10:14 GMT
#4983
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9206 Posts
November 05 2016 10:36 GMT
#4984
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?

There's no mistake, it couldn't be clearer that they're intentionally mocking Rosindell
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
November 05 2016 11:01 GMT
#4985
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?


In what world could that be a mistake?!
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2016 11:07 GMT
#4986
On November 05 2016 20:01 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?


In what world could that be a mistake?!

You never know...
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 05 2016 11:23 GMT
#4987
On November 05 2016 20:01 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?


In what world could that be a mistake?!

Mistakes of that kind happened several times. People only read the title and dont care what the song is about. American politicians especially like to use songs which have lyrics that contradict their own policy directly.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9844 Posts
November 05 2016 11:44 GMT
#4988
I don't know about anyone else but I've found the last few days absolutely hilarious as the Brexiters who wanted more democracy, a proper British democracy, are now crying because they have realized that in a proper British democracy the will of parliament is the absolute final say on everything and a referendum is only advisory.
They are crying because the government is going to have to put the components of Brexit to parliament and leave them open to be challenged.
They are crying because British judges are applying British law, just like they said they wanted.
Such hypocrisy.

The democracy the Brexiters wanted relied upon Theresa May, and unelected PM, making all of the decisions and bypassing parliament completely.

Maybe they just voted Brexit because they didn't understand what a British democracy actually is.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9206 Posts
November 05 2016 13:35 GMT
#4989
On November 05 2016 20:07 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 20:01 Deleuze wrote:
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?


In what world could that be a mistake?!

You never know...


On November 05 2016 20:23 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 20:01 Deleuze wrote:
On November 05 2016 19:14 RoomOfMush wrote:
On November 05 2016 15:16 Dan HH wrote:
BBC Newsnight's response to Andrew Rosindell's moronic request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsQ_5Wm4oo

That was quite funny. Was that a mistake on their part or a joke?


In what world could that be a mistake?!

Mistakes of that kind happened several times. People only read the title and dont care what the song is about. American politicians especially like to use songs which have lyrics that contradict their own policy directly.

He's not saying it's physically impossible to play the wrong song, the reason we know with 100% certainty that it's intentional is because it's preceded by an unsubtle sarcastic introduction that makes it clear that a punchline will follow. We shouldn't be having this discussion.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 05 2016 13:41 GMT
#4990
Alright, I will take your word for it then.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 13:46:35
November 05 2016 13:46 GMT
#4991
It's pretty obvious it's intended. Still, there was that fuckup with Kazakhstan and it bears mentioning again for the laughs.

So I know I'm asking the obvious, but I ask for specificity as a non-UK person: why is requesting that the BBC end its broadcast with "God Save the Queen" ridiculous?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
November 05 2016 14:12 GMT
#4992
On November 05 2016 22:46 LegalLord wrote:
It's pretty obvious it's intended. Still, there was that fuckup with Kazakhstan and it bears mentioning again for the laughs.

So I know I'm asking the obvious, but I ask for specificity as a non-UK person: why is requesting that the BBC end its broadcast with "God Save the Queen" ridiculous?


Yes, but we're talking the BBC here ;P
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9206 Posts
November 05 2016 14:16 GMT
#4993
On November 05 2016 22:46 LegalLord wrote:
It's pretty obvious it's intended. Still, there was that fuckup with Kazakhstan and it bears mentioning again for the laughs.

So I know I'm asking the obvious, but I ask for specificity as a non-UK person: why is requesting that the BBC end its broadcast with "God Save the Queen" ridiculous?

Doesn't it strike you as a very Balkan thing to do? It wouldn't have been ridiculous if it had been a tradition from early in the history of BBC, but to demand it now to commemorate something that didn't even happen yet as if you've just repealed a viking invasion is quite ridiculous. It also doesn't help that this is coming from a known clown with a hardon for authoritarianism.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22332 Posts
November 05 2016 14:18 GMT
#4994
On November 05 2016 22:46 LegalLord wrote:
It's pretty obvious it's intended. Still, there was that fuckup with Kazakhstan and it bears mentioning again for the laughs.

So I know I'm asking the obvious, but I ask for specificity as a non-UK person: why is requesting that the BBC end its broadcast with "God Save the Queen" ridiculous?

In the way that asking any network to end its broadcast with the national anthem is ridiculous?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2016 14:31 GMT
#4995
I mean, I can definitely see where it could be coming from, but I really want specificity. Something more than "isn't it obvious" or "it sounds like something Hitler would do." Dan's explanation gets at it but perhaps I should ask, "pretend I have no context of how it could be an issue within the UK and explain where this issue is."

Because I see it, but not in its entirety. That's why I ask for you to explain something that I'm sure just goes without saying for Brits.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 19:01:47
November 05 2016 18:49 GMT
#4996
I don't understand your question. How does it make sense to ask the BBC1 to end the days programming with the national anthem to mark the departure from the EU?Why don't you explain that first? You might as well ask why any number of infinite demands of any type across any medium would be ridiculous. It is up to you to set out to explain why a demand would be reasonable.

To answer your question: the BBC is under no obligation to follow demands of any MP, seeing as it is not the media arm of the government. The BBC is supposed to be impartial. The British are not rabid nationalists.

The only way it can make sense if you are under the delusion that:

1) The BBC is the media arm of an autocratic government.
2) The BBC isn't widely considered to be impartial in its coverage of home political issues.
3) The British are rabid nationalists.
4) The National Anthem holds resonance as a nationalistic anthem for leaving a political economic treaty.
5) The National Anthem holds resonance as a nationalistic anthem for stirring nationalistic feelings.
6) These nationalistic feelings are desirable to stir up.
7) The British public is united in opinion or is otherwise holds no power in national issues.
8) The departure from the EU an event that has already occured.
9) All of the above and it still doesn't make any sense. Maybe in legalordland.

By the way Roomofmush, where are you from? Is there a cultural barrier against humour there?
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
November 05 2016 21:16 GMT
#4997
On November 06 2016 03:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
By the way Roomofmush, where are you from? Is there a cultural barrier against humour there?

What is that supposed to mean?
I just asked a question. There have been many similar situations where people actually made mistakes and played songs they didnt know what they were about. The delivery at the beginning of the video could be understood either way and without the backstory it is impossible to know for me what this is all about. Why is it such a big deal to you that I asked a simple question?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 22:04:00
November 05 2016 22:00 GMT
#4998
I was hoping I would get a laugh out of you. It's called a joke. It's ok, I understand that not everyone has a sophisticated sense of humour.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 05 2016 23:53 GMT
#4999
i reported you for being a xenophobe.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:25:27
November 06 2016 00:23 GMT
#5000
Romanians confirmed for having no sense of sarcasm. (Apologies to Dan HH.)
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