EPTOn July 24 2016 22:03 silynxer wrote:
Thanks, I didn't know that!
Thanks, I didn't know that!
They only overpaid one year tho, the only year where they became the second biggest net contributor.
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
They only overpaid one year tho, the only year where they became the second biggest net contributor. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9204 Posts
On July 24 2016 16:46 xM(Z wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years Does France have some special reason to oppose that strongly? I mean something more than just being against granting the UK special snowflake status for 7 years | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 25 2016 00:38 Sent. wrote: Does France have some special reason to oppose that strongly? I mean something more than just being against granting the UK special snowflake status for 7 years France actual gov. want that for obvious national reason to me : permitting the UK to stay out of the EU with a good deal would be in favor of the FN and their arguments. They need to make a good exemple out of the UK. The EU will still go for that plan for economic purposes : the UK is a good buyer of german cars. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 25 2016 00:38 Sent. wrote: Does France have some special reason to oppose that strongly? I mean something more than just being against granting the UK special snowflake status for 7 years If EU gives this so called "emergency brake" deal to the UK, many countries will want to exit. It's a good deal for the UK but not for EU. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4336 Posts
Real wages down 10.4% since 2007 http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd Uncontrolled immigration putting downward pressure on wages.Who'd a thunk it? Explain to me again how being in the EU has helped the average British worker. | ||
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HolydaKing
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 28 2016 18:27 HolydaKing wrote: And why only in the UK? The source doesn't say it's an EU problem, in fact real wages went up almost everywhere. I don't think you are the only country with uncontrollled immigration. It's an eu problem, even if real wages usually increase in most european countries, its increase is not sufficient compared to productivity increase, for exemple, in many country. Immigration might play a role, but it's not the important part. The important part are the policies, and all the policies in europe, and in the UK, have been aimed toward reducing labor costs. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10751 Posts
Now some countries still have a lot of catchup to do when it comes to productivity, some don't. The ones that don't won't see much (if any at all) real wage increase. Its an EU wide poblem but i'm not sure if you can put all the blame on the EU itself for it, its basically just neoliberalism at work, a philosophy the UK goverment loves more than most others (at least they love it more obvious than most others). | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 28 2016 18:58 Velr wrote: Jup, its basically what Germany did in the early 00's but less visible/obvious. Now some countries still have a lot of catchup to do when it comes to productivity, some don't. The ones that don't won't see much (if any at all) real wage increase. Its an EU wide poblem but i'm not sure if you can put all the blame on the EU itself for it, its basically just neoliberalism at work, a philosophy the UK goverment loves more than most others (at least they love it more obvious than most others). You can catch up by increasing wage, or by decreasing. German wage today are increasing, but still way not enough compared to their productivity increase, so countries like Spain will need years of deflationary likes wages - and I'm not joking, years, because Spain productivity increase are way too low. Spain is in deep shit. The good for UK tho is that, if the currency stays low, it might give more freedom to firm to increase wages and employ the unemployed. Since those new wages will have less purchasing power for foreign goods, it might even profit to national firms and create a vertuous cycle. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4336 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 28 2016 18:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: UK joins Greece at bottom of wage growth chart. Real wages down 10.4% since 2007 http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd Uncontrolled immigration putting downward pressure on wages.Who'd a thunk it? Explain to me again how being in the EU has helped the average British worker. ...most of the losses were from 2007-2011. Aka during the recession. Arguing it's because of immigration is...ill-informed because by all studies immigration has no real effects on wages, and are net positive to economies. http://www.cato.org/blog/immigrations-real-impact-wages-employment | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 28 2016 19:36 Lord Tolkien wrote: ...most of the losses were from 2007-2011. Aka during the recession. It still means that 9 years later we didn't get back from the crisis, and it is an european problem. Even if it is true that the UK's way of dealing with the crisis is largely the reason why it is this way in the UK. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 28 2016 19:41 WhiteDog wrote: It still means that 9 years later we didn't get back from the crisis, and it is an european problem. Even if it is true that the UK's way of dealing with the crisis is largely the reason why it is this way in the UK. Certainly, but I'm mostly lambasting the uncontrolled immigration point. Check the edit. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10751 Posts
On July 28 2016 19:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I just wanted to see more empathy from the remainders toward the people, especially outside London, that have been fucked over the past 10 years.A 10.4% fall in real wages over the past decade, while house prices have doubled or more, don't go calling people who voted leave racists or whatever because like in every election the main issue is economics.And these are the people paying interest on the 850 billion debt accrued by bailing out the banks back in 2008, can you see why they are angry with the establishment?.It's fucked. You could argue the "rest" of Britain is neglected since Thatcher. The downfall off the blue collar Jobs in the UK isn't exactly "News", the EU is just a nice excuse to not blame yourself and the guys that the people elected. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On July 28 2016 19:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I just wanted to see more empathy from the remainders toward the people, especially outside London, that have been fucked over the past 10 years.A 10.4% fall in real wages over the past decade, while house prices have doubled or more, don't go calling people who voted leave racists or whatever because like in every election the main issue is economics.And these are the people paying interest on the 850 billion debt accrued by bailing out the banks back in 2008, can you see why they are angry with the establishment?.It's fucked. I think most Remainers are extremely empathetic, and see the Leave vote as working class people shooting themselves in the foot. Channelling unbridled rage against the establishment into support for Farage, Johnson and Gove is...just supporting the establishment. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9126 Posts
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