UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 215

On July 21 2016 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:

She gave the job to him because now he will be responsible for the brexit negotiations so she can put all the blame on him when it inevitably goes wrong.

On July 21 2016 06:48 RoomOfMush wrote:

I thought he wont be doing any brexit negotiations. Isnt that the job of somebody else?

Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined.

If such an agreement were struck, and a strict time limit imposed, diplomats believe it could go a long way towards addressing concerns of the British people over immigration from EU states, while allowing the UK full trade access to the European market.

While the plan will prove highly controversial in many member states, including France, Poland and other central and eastern European nations, the attraction is that it would limit the economic shock to the EU economy from Brexit by keeping the UK in the single market, and lessen the political damage to the European project that would result from complete divorce.

On July 24 2016 18:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Why? Are EU politicians idiots? The single largest threat to the eu is disgruntled eastern and southern countries that are being treated as second class members. You could bribe them off in the short term but actually proving them correct on an ideological level will do irreparable damage over time.

The UK is out. Negotiate a fair brexit without bullshit extensions and be done with it.

On July 24 2016 18:36 silynxer wrote:
The UK appears to be only the third largest contributor if this is to be trusted: http://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/european-union-eu-budget-share-of-contributions/
I would have been really surprised if it was otherwise, because of the rebate. Actually it is funny how close the UK is to Italy in this regard.

There is a pretty fine line here, were any deal that is perceived as too good for the UK could be dangerous for the EU as a whole. I expect that the UK will have to make some additional concessions but let's see.

On July 24 2016 18:46 silynxer wrote:
Genuine question, why does this chart differ from the statistics given above and the ones here at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union )? What does "net" mean in this context?

On July 24 2016 18:23 bardtown wrote:


What? Do you even know why eastern Europeans are angry? It's because of Merkel's handling of the migrant crisis. They benefit greatly from the EU budget and if you want that to continue then you want the second biggest contributor to still be contributing.

On July 24 2016 19:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:


That just proves my point. Merkel and co refused to listen to the valid concerns of these countries and Arn them over for immigration. Sure they get a LOT of money from EU but long term dont you think people get upset when Germans can work in the UK and Poles cant?
Eastern Euro countries are not pro immigration break either, ignoring them again thinking you can just buy them off is a good idea?

EU needs to have a summit where we sit down and ask southern and eastern countries what they think we should do about immigration, then admit we were wrong and implement those measures. Also not cuddling the UK to much at the expense of eastern europe because they are in the western country club and thus matters more.

On July 24 2016 18:59 silynxer wrote:
Ah I see. What is the source of image by the way, google image search didn't turn anything up for me. Because even if I look for net contribution in 2013 I find stuff like this (where the UK is never second):
http://english.eu.dk/en/faq/faq/net_contribution (it might be due to agricultural levels as mentioned in the introduction but I don't know)

EDIT: This is also quite nice: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20141202IFG82334/EU-budget-explained-expenditure-and-contribution-by-member-state
You have to calculate the differences yourself but again the UK is not second.

As you can see, when looked at in nominal terms the UK contributes €5.6 billion more to the EU than it receives from Brussels, and is fourth in terms of the relative burden placed upon its taxpayers by the EU, behind Germany, France and Italy.

On July 24 2016 20:18 silynxer wrote:
Which is entirely consistent with my second link. I couldn't find information about other countries in your link, therefore the numbers are a bit meaningless for our discussion since there are different ways of calculating these figures and if you don't do it the same way for different countries it is not really comparable. The only relevant thing I found on that website is https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-budget-who-gets-what/

I have to ask for the source of your image again.