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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 25 2016 19:22 GMT
#3221
See, there's the problem. I don't see the youth of today calling the older generation bigots. Why should have I have find evidence of leave voters being bigots, when the problem with you is that you are saying that the youth are calling the non-youth bigots and as a consequence they are "spoiled little brats"? Firstly one does not lead to the other, and secondly, it is up to you to find evidence supporting your argument that the youth do view the non-youth as bigots.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:28:31
June 25 2016 19:27 GMT
#3222
On June 26 2016 04:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
See, there's the problem. I don't see the youth of today calling the older generation bigots. Why should have I have find evidence of leave voters being bigots, when the problem with you is that you are saying that the youth are calling the non-youth bigots and as a consequence they are "spoiled little brats"? Firstly one does not lead to the other, and secondly, it is up to you to find evidence supporting your argument that the youth do view the non-youth as bigots.



?????

I literally quoted someone saying exactly that, and you called me out asking for evidence. I don't even...

The second part of your posts doesn't even make sense either as that is not what i suggested.


I think next time its probably better not to reply because we have again gone way off the original point.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 25 2016 19:28 GMT
#3223
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 25 2016 19:28 GMT
#3224
On June 26 2016 04:20 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:48 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's not a shitty made up position. I literally quoted his position right there in my post. The question remains. Just as a proportion of the youth voted for leave, a proportion of the non-youth voted for remain. Why exactly is he calling the remain voters "spoiled little brats"? And why do you take offence of my asking him of it? Afterall he hasn't answered the question.



I suggest you read up if you think i have not answered the question. Also i called the younger generation spoiled little brats, not the remain voters. I am a remain voter also.
I didn't ask which way you voted. It doesn't matter. But lets take you up on reading up ok?
On June 26 2016 03:37 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:
[quote]
I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter.

Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision.

[quote]
Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after?


If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no.

Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum.

You reap what you sow.

UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow...


What exactly makes them bigots?



I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout.

After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats.
What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.



The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else.

Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance.


Nope. Basically you are calling the youth of britain today spoiled little brats because of some comments from somewhere calling old people bigots. Sorry, but that's not answering the question. What comments? What source? How disingenious to say "I suggest you read up if you think I have not answered the question," when your post and the posts before does not in fact answer why you are calling the youth of today spoiled little brats.


Nice of you to quote my reply and not my original post but let me put it here for you "seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats".

Notice i'm not saying everyone of them are but a lot do seem that way.

As for the comments, the majority i have seen has been live on TV, of course there are many on social media and other website, this very thread also. So considering you have somehow missed these which is very unlikely, i'll give you the first source i found just to make you happy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-results-age-data-young_uk_576cd7d6e4b0232d331dac8f

Posted the post above just after you posted yours. Followed the link. Ctrl F Bigot. One instance of "bigot" found. Looks different from the rest, where the rest are screenshots but this one is typed out in caps. The rest seem to mostly express disappointment. I don't follow social media, but if the rumours are true, you can at least one instance of any one opinion.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:32:09
June 25 2016 19:31 GMT
#3225
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
June 25 2016 19:32 GMT
#3226
[image loading]

I found it really interesting how fast the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for a second referendum in Scotland to make sure Scotland can stay within the European Union.

Her complete speech is in the spoiler in which she also finds words of reassurance for fellow Europeans living in Scotland.

+ Show Spoiler +
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:38:41
June 25 2016 19:36 GMT
#3227
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505

Nice little quote from this article.
Those who said they paid a great deal of attention to politics were evenly divided between leave and remain. Those who said they paid little or no attention to politics voted to leave the EU by 58 per cent to 42 per cent.

So the people that know fuck all about the situation decided to vote for leave, because ... Well I don't think that even they know why.

Btw how is this guy Farage still relevant ? I remember him running a fear campaign against Bulgarians and Romanians when the work restrictions ended. He was saying that literally 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK when the work restrictions are lifted... He even compared it to alien invasion and us to insectiods... I figured that by now you would know that he is a complete joke and seeks only more power for himself.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:38:02
June 25 2016 19:37 GMT
#3228
On June 26 2016 04:31 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.
Hold your horses. No one has said that everyone who voted (remain?) is a bigot or racist. There's no denying that it is a significant proportion, just simply by talking to my fellow man, the main contributer towards Leave IS hostility towards foreigners. Especially towards the French. Dont ask. Yet you assume that the youth of today are "spoiled little brats." That to me is holy shit unreal.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:39:27
June 25 2016 19:39 GMT
#3229
It's the standard power play for Scotland's independentists from the referendum's results. Now they have better chances than ever to finally win a referendum. I guess main goverment will try to stall it for as long as possible.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:40:07
June 25 2016 19:39 GMT
#3230
On June 26 2016 04:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:31 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.
Hold your horses. No one has said that everyone who voted (remain?) is a bigot or racist. There's no denying that it is a significant proportion, just simply by talking to my fellow man, the main contributer towards Leave IS hostility towards foreigners. Especially towards the French. Dont ask. Yet you assume that the youth of today are "spoiled little brats." That to me is holy shit unreal.


Reading is not your strong point but its ok you'll get there. Can't really repeat myself anymore because it is getting silly.


It's possible that its my fault for assuming everyone in this thread is up to date with everything.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 25 2016 19:39 GMT
#3231
On June 26 2016 04:31 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.

So is that a yes or no? Because the original statement was overly broad. But you are now attempting to act like ethnic bias wasn't a significant factor at all. And also claim that the remain youth are all spoiled brats. And prove it by posting a link to a news article like that makes a subjective point of view objective fact.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:50:00
June 25 2016 19:40 GMT
#3232
On June 26 2016 04:36 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505

Nice little quote from this article.
Show nested quote +
Those who said they paid a great deal of attention to politics were evenly divided between leave and remain. Those who said they paid little or no attention to politics voted to leave the EU by 58 per cent to 42 per cent.

So the people that know fuck all about the situation decided to vote for leave, because ... Well I don't think that even they kno why.

Btw how is this guy Farage still relevant ? I remember him running a fear campaign against Bulgarians and Romanians when the work restrictions ended. He was saying that literally 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK when the work restrictions are lifted... He even compared it to alien invasion and us to insectiods... I figured that by now you would know that he is a complete joke and seeks only more power for himself.
I think you answered your own question about Farage being relevent. Those who pay the least attention to politics are the ones who pay the least attention to the reality surrounding themselves. They probably don't realise that there isn't, for whatever reason, not that many Bulgarians and Romanians have emmigrated to the UK.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 20:01:15
June 25 2016 19:42 GMT
#3233
On June 26 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:31 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.

So is that a yes or no? Because the original statement was overly broad. But you are now attempting to act like ethnic bias wasn't a significant factor at all. And also claim that the remain youth are all spoiled brats. And prove it by posting a link to a news article like that makes a subjective point of view objective fact.



For some of the leave voters ethic bias was a reason for voting sure, there must be some, i even addressed that last night in one of my other posts. However this is not America, you cant compare the problems with racism over there to Britain.

Now let me ask you a question, do you believe that everyone that voted for leave is a racist or a bigot?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 25 2016 19:47 GMT
#3234
On June 26 2016 04:42 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:31 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:28 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:15 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505



Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.

Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.


Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.

It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.

If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.

On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.

So find evidence that they are bigots that meets the standard of proof set by you? Are you trying to argue that no statistically significant section of the leave vote was motives by racial or ethic bias?



Yes lets just assume everyone that voted is a bigot or racist instead, great logic.

And i never suggested that there were no racial or ethic bias, holy shit, you guys are unreal.

So is that a yes or no? Because the original statement was overly broad. But you are now attempting to act like ethnic bias wasn't a significant factor at all. And also claim that the remain youth are all spoiled brats. And prove it by posting a link to a news article like that makes a subjective point of view objective fact.



For some of the leave voters ethic bias was a reason for voting sure, there must be some, i even addressed that last night in one of my other posts. However this is not American, you cant compare the problems with racism over there to Britain.

Now let me ask you a question, do you believe that everyone that voted for leave is a racist or a bigot?

Not all. But it was a factor that mattered because the margin was so small. Of the 33% they felt immigration was the main reason, I'm willing to bet bias motivated more than half of them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:48:33
June 25 2016 19:48 GMT
#3235
Here we have a person. Calls the youth of today in UK spoiled little brats. Can't say why until repeatedly pressed gives the dodgiest quote from a social media service I have ever seen, in a foreign newspaper. Says that this is taking the argument from a direction, though that was his main point. Is now trying to change argument himself. Can't make it up.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:52:08
June 25 2016 19:51 GMT
#3236
On June 26 2016 04:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Here we have a person. Calls the youth of today in UK spoiled little brats. Can't say why until repeatedly pressed gives the dodgiest quote from a social media service I have ever seen, in a foreign newspaper. Says that this is taking the argument from a direction, though that was his main point. Is now trying to change argument himself. Can't make it up.



Now i am sure you're just trolling, i refuse to believe anyone can be this dense, apparently i was "repeatedly pressed" even though i made it clear from my very first reply, and now i am trying to change the argument because i was answering someone else's question and wanted to know how he also felt about the subject.



Ok.......
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 20:04:09
June 25 2016 20:02 GMT
#3237
This is your first reply:
On June 26 2016 03:37 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:
On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:
On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:
[quote]
Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results?


Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter.

Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision.

[B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:
[quote]

50/50 means 1:1 voting

55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way

60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way

even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50

And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate?

Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after?


If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no.

Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum.

You reap what you sow.

UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow...


What exactly makes them bigots?



I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout.

After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats.
What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.



The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else.

Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance.


You claim something about a "majority of comments".
You claim that the youth want the voting rights of the older generation taken away.

You provide nothing to back up these claims, except the dodgiest link I have ever seen. Perhaps you should stick to reading reputable British newspapers instead of social media hype. Anyways, I'm going off here for an hour or so, as I don't feel the need to talk to someone who has disingenuity worth of the leave campaign.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44336 Posts
June 25 2016 20:03 GMT
#3238
On June 26 2016 04:36 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 03:55 Zaros wrote:
https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/746772133905301505

Nice little quote from this article.
Show nested quote +
Those who said they paid a great deal of attention to politics were evenly divided between leave and remain. Those who said they paid little or no attention to politics voted to leave the EU by 58 per cent to 42 per cent.

So the people that know fuck all about the situation decided to vote for leave, because ... Well I don't think that even they know why.

Btw how is this guy Farage still relevant ? I remember him running a fear campaign against Bulgarians and Romanians when the work restrictions ended. He was saying that literally 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come to the UK when the work restrictions are lifted... He even compared it to alien invasion and us to insectiods... I figured that by now you would know that he is a complete joke and seeks only more power for himself.

Farage never was relevant. He often appeared quoted by Americans who didn't know who he was but liked to quote him like he was Churchill born again but he never held political office in the UK or wielded any parliamentary power. The only institution willing to give him and his party a voice was the EU parliament. Most of their party funding came from the general EU funding for parties in the EU parliament and his only office was as an MEP. This triumph is most likely his final appearance as the first past the post electoral system employed in the British parliament guarantees that he will not be able to get power within the UK as a third party candidate in a two party system.

He's fun to put on the news but he isn't relevant.
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Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 20:13:11
June 25 2016 20:12 GMT
#3239
On June 26 2016 05:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
This is your first reply:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 03:37 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:
On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:
On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:
[quote]

Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter.

Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision.

[B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote:
[quote]
And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate?

Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after?


If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no.

Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum.

You reap what you sow.

UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow...


What exactly makes them bigots?



I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout.

After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats.
What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.



The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else.

Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance.


You claim something about a "majority of comments".
You claim that the youth want the voting rights of the older generation taken away.

You provide nothing to back up these claims, except the dodgiest link I have ever seen. Perhaps you should stick to reading reputable British newspapers instead of social media hype. Anyways, I'm going off here for an hour or so, as I don't feel the need to talk to someone who has disingenuity worth of the leave campaign.



Yea feel free to go but next time try and inform yourself a bit more and you wouldn't need any links, you're not the kind of person that is worth wasting that kind of time for, and if you were more informed wouldn't need it in the first place.

If you checked my post history you'd know that i voted for remain and my reasons why, of course i don't expect people to take the time to do that, but at least you would understand how i have an objective opinion on the issue's which is something i'd advise you to try. I obviously upset you with the youth comments, i never meant to suggest that all of them are like that, and i thought i made it pretty clear, next time i should write with bullet points so you can understand more clearly.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
June 25 2016 20:24 GMT
#3240
Petition at 2 million now, i'm actually curious if they will risk doing a second referendum.
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