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On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:24 LegalLord wrote:[/B
It's laughable that people are calling for a revote. That sounds like the "vote until democracy gets our desired result" that the EU is known and hated for. The referendum yielded this result, now it's time to live with that new set of conditions and focus on how to make the best of the situation for their benefit. Certainly there are limits to what can be done because the UK has only so much negotiating power, but there is more than one path it can take with regards to how it leaves.
As for the conditions of the referendum, the cutoff, the people who were allowed to vote? Maybe that argument should have been made before the referendum was scheduled, not after. Maybe it was - and that argument failed, despite the fact that this was obviously a pro-Remain government that put that referendum forward. Under the mutually agreed upon conditions, Leave won and Remain did not. You can't just change that because just under half of those who casted a vote didn't get the result they wanted. The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit. This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto, We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover. Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow...
What exactly makes them bigots?
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On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:24 LegalLord wrote:[/B
It's laughable that people are calling for a revote. That sounds like the "vote until democracy gets our desired result" that the EU is known and hated for. The referendum yielded this result, now it's time to live with that new set of conditions and focus on how to make the best of the situation for their benefit. Certainly there are limits to what can be done because the UK has only so much negotiating power, but there is more than one path it can take with regards to how it leaves.
As for the conditions of the referendum, the cutoff, the people who were allowed to vote? Maybe that argument should have been made before the referendum was scheduled, not after. Maybe it was - and that argument failed, despite the fact that this was obviously a pro-Remain government that put that referendum forward. Under the mutually agreed upon conditions, Leave won and Remain did not. You can't just change that because just under half of those who casted a vote didn't get the result they wanted. The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit. This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto, We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover. Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots?
I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout.
After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats.
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On June 26 2016 02:30 phantomlancer23 wrote:Is there any serious video that someone can link with arguements for remain?Everything i have seen so far is terror like the armagedon is coming or sentimental bullshits like we are better together, we dont want to be alone and the germans are our friends, we are giving our democracy and we take back cheap phonecalls and cheap airtickets. I mean a calm video with arguments for remain like this Brexit: Facts Not Fear
that video was an interesting listen. A few factual errors, but overall quite a decent argument.
Sadly I know of no video of the type you're requesting; though as I'm not in britain I haven't looked.
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On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate?
I personally think so (even 55/45 to make a big change) but it's pretty hard to come up with rules that everybody agrees on.
youth will probably always have lower turnout than older people, it doesn't mean that those that did vote care less.
After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats.
No demographic will ever be perfect
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edit: sorry, wrong thread
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On June 26 2016 02:32 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:24 LegalLord wrote:[/B
It's laughable that people are calling for a revote. That sounds like the "vote until democracy gets our desired result" that the EU is known and hated for. The referendum yielded this result, now it's time to live with that new set of conditions and focus on how to make the best of the situation for their benefit. Certainly there are limits to what can be done because the UK has only so much negotiating power, but there is more than one path it can take with regards to how it leaves.
As for the conditions of the referendum, the cutoff, the people who were allowed to vote? Maybe that argument should have been made before the referendum was scheduled, not after. Maybe it was - and that argument failed, despite the fact that this was obviously a pro-Remain government that put that referendum forward. Under the mutually agreed upon conditions, Leave won and Remain did not. You can't just change that because just under half of those who casted a vote didn't get the result they wanted. The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit. This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto, We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover. Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? What country do you live in ? Here in the UK we do expect a government to complete its election manifesto. Some times this can't happen due to the commons opposition or a backbench revote The current government had this referendum as part of its manifesto which has now been honored. I expect the Britexit to fulfil their promises, not backtrack on TV. 1 . all funds redirected to NHS 2 all non nationals be assessed on a points based system. And deported if they do not meet the requirements
We do expect a government to complete its election manifesto.
Unfortunately for you, this was not an election.
Unfortunately for you, both points you have highlighted have already been backtracked on the very day the results were announced.
Farage doesn't even have a seat in Parliament.
Most of the House of commons, who actually was voted in, in the general election back remain, thus no one has any idea what will happen next.
This is the result of this referendum which no one, not even the backers of leave, expected leave to beat remain.
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On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:24 LegalLord wrote:[/B
It's laughable that people are calling for a revote. That sounds like the "vote until democracy gets our desired result" that the EU is known and hated for. The referendum yielded this result, now it's time to live with that new set of conditions and focus on how to make the best of the situation for their benefit. Certainly there are limits to what can be done because the UK has only so much negotiating power, but there is more than one path it can take with regards to how it leaves.
As for the conditions of the referendum, the cutoff, the people who were allowed to vote? Maybe that argument should have been made before the referendum was scheduled, not after. Maybe it was - and that argument failed, despite the fact that this was obviously a pro-Remain government that put that referendum forward. Under the mutually agreed upon conditions, Leave won and Remain did not. You can't just change that because just under half of those who casted a vote didn't get the result they wanted. The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit. This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto, We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover. Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.
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On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:
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The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit.
This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto,
We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover.
Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.
The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else.
Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance.
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On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:On June 26 2016 00:04 Topdoller wrote:On June 25 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:On June 25 2016 23:39 Topdoller wrote:
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The fact the leader's of the out campaign are backtracking on theire promises the day after their victory is the most concerning. Their whole campaign was based on fear and now its looking like deceit.
This is what becomes of any country where its populatio make decision based on no manifesto,
We have just spent almost ten years in recession and now the economy is heading into a black hole. I am expecting another ten years before we will recover.
Unfortunately, campaign promises and the tendency of them not to be achieved is an age-old story of politics. Maybe it's better to focus on electing a leadership that will actually make it happen, than to find an escape from the referendum results? Yeah usually it takes a few years to realize that not all objectives are achievable.. but the next day come on are you serious !!! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. 50/50 means 1:1 voting 55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way 60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest.
I seriously don't think that's why he was calling them spoiled. Why do people love arguing against shitty made-up positions so often?
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On June 26 2016 03:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:
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50/50 means 1:1 voting
55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way
60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way
even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest. I seriously don't think that's why he was calling them spoiled. Why do people love arguing against shitty made-up positions so often?
Got to agree, it gets tiring having to explain in detail for something that should be pretty obvious.
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It's not a shitty made up position. I literally quoted his position right there in my post. The question remains. Just as a proportion of the youth voted for leave, a proportion of the non-youth voted for remain. Why exactly is he calling the remain voters "spoiled little brats"? And why do you take offence of my asking him of it? Afterall he hasn't answered the question.
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On June 26 2016 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's not a shitty made up position. I literally quoted his position right there in my post. The question remains. Just as a proportion of the youth voted for leave, a proportion of the non-youth voted for remain. Why exactly is he calling the remain voters "spoiled little brats"? And why do you take offence of my asking him of it? Afterall he hasn't answered the question.
I suggest you read up if you think i have not answered the question. Also i called the younger generation spoiled little brats, not the remain voters. I am a remain voter also.
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What if it was all true? That some old bigots voted to "control their borders" and the youth are brats for whining when they should have turned out to vote in larger numbers?
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I was closely observing the BREXIT development, I was cheering for the British people, I was celebrating after the results were announced. I saw it as a direct punch into the face of Brussels politicians.
After the two days and all the reactions, I changed my mind. I feel very sorry now for the British people. It is a disaster for them. They made a courageous decision. But they are screwed now.
Remember, what I am telling to you. Within the next few months, the GBP will fall down to the parity with dollar. GBP/USD will be 1.0.
I am really feeling sorry for them.
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Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence. 
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On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence.
Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.
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On June 26 2016 03:48 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's not a shitty made up position. I literally quoted his position right there in my post. The question remains. Just as a proportion of the youth voted for leave, a proportion of the non-youth voted for remain. Why exactly is he calling the remain voters "spoiled little brats"? And why do you take offence of my asking him of it? Afterall he hasn't answered the question. I suggest you read up if you think i have not answered the question. Also i called the younger generation spoiled little brats, not the remain voters. I am a remain voter also. I didn't ask which way you voted. It doesn't matter. But lets take you up on reading up ok?
On June 26 2016 03:37 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote: On June 26 2016 01:03 Cyro wrote:
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50/50 means 1:1 voting
55/45 means 1.22x more people voted one way
60/40 means 1.5x more people voted one way
even 55/45 is a massive difference from 50/50 And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest. The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else. Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance.
Nope. Basically you are calling the youth of britain today spoiled little brats because of some comments from somewhere calling old people bigots. Sorry, but that's not answering the question. What comments? What source? How disingenious to say "I suggest you read up if you think I have not answered the question," when your post and the posts before does not in fact answer why you are calling the youth of today spoiled little brats.
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On June 26 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:58 Reaps wrote:Maybe now people can stop making broad generalizations with zero evidence. Pretty sure 1/3 of 17 million is a lot of people.
Still a better indication than what you're suggesting though, and even though you will probably deny it but many of your posts suggest that the leave voters are racist or bigots etc, at least you constantly defend the people that do.
It's no secret really the large majority of your posts is always exactly the same and what you don't seem to understand it simply adds nothing to these debates, its been argued countless times and just goes around in circles.
If you could find me some evidence though of leave voters being bigots and whatever else i would be right with you.
On the other hand i can find plenty of comments from the younger generation which shows their selfishness which is why i called them "spoiled" in the first place, which is what this whole argument has been about is it not? but yet again we have someone trying to take the argument into another direction which is what Templar suggested.
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On June 26 2016 04:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:48 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's not a shitty made up position. I literally quoted his position right there in my post. The question remains. Just as a proportion of the youth voted for leave, a proportion of the non-youth voted for remain. Why exactly is he calling the remain voters "spoiled little brats"? And why do you take offence of my asking him of it? Afterall he hasn't answered the question. I suggest you read up if you think i have not answered the question. Also i called the younger generation spoiled little brats, not the remain voters. I am a remain voter also. I didn't ask which way you voted. It doesn't matter. But lets take you up on reading up ok? Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 03:37 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On June 26 2016 02:53 Reaps wrote:On June 26 2016 02:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 26 2016 02:37 SC2Toastie wrote:On June 26 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:On June 26 2016 01:19 Shield wrote:On June 26 2016 01:10 LegalLord wrote:I mean, it's Farage and not the major Leave campaign. And listening to what he said, it sounded like he was just leaving his options open. Maybe spend the money on the NHS, maybe on some other project, like schools. Makes for a good soundbite but I wouldn't say it's really what you say it is. Besides, it's not like Farage is the only possible choice for leading the leaving process. Not even one of the likely ones, for that matter. Almost all campaign promises are backtracked when it comes time to decision making. I wish it weren't so but that's just how it has always worked. But as things worked out, the Leave side won and you can't just undo decisions fully consistent with how the country chose to vote, simply because you didn't like the decision. [B]On June 26 2016 01:05 kollin wrote:
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And shouldn't such an enormous change require a large mandate? Wouldn't that discussion have been better off being had before the referendum, not after? If the country voted based on the "facts" Leave gave them, then Leave backtracked, isn't it fair to say referendum should be redone properly? You support cheating if you say no. Stupid people decided not to inform themselves before voting because most of the Leave lies were thoroughly debunked before the referendum. You reap what you sow. UK/England youth reap what babyboomer bigots sow... What exactly makes them bigots? I also like how hes blaming the old people, aswell as calling them bigots even though it was the youth with the lowest turnout. After this vote i am almost ashamed to be part of the youth of Britain, seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats. What's so spoiled about those who vote and are disappointed by the older generation who voted against their interest? You might as well call every group of whatever age and social group and others as spoiled when another group votes against their interest. The majority of the comments are ignorant and misinformed, the older generation were the ones that built UK back up after WW2 and made the country what it is today and yet you have younger people claiming their voting rights should be took away. It's not like the people that voted leave are simply going to disappear, they will still be around for the next 20-40+ years and have to live with the consequences just like anyone else. Of course if the vote went the other way the otherside would be disappointed also i just don't imagine the same kind of selfishness and ignorance. Nope. Basically you are calling the youth of britain today spoiled little brats because of some comments from somewhere calling old people bigots. Sorry, but that's not answering the question. What comments? What source? How disingenious to say "I suggest you read up if you think I have not answered the question," when your post and the posts before does not in fact answer why you are calling the youth of today spoiled little brats.
Nice of you to quote my reply and not my original post but let me put it here for you "seems a lot of them are spoiled little brats".
Notice i'm not saying everyone of them are but a lot do seem that way.
As for the comments, the majority i have seen has been live on TV, of course there are many on social media and other website, this very thread also. So considering you have somehow missed these which is very unlikely, i'll give you the first source i found just to make you happy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-results-age-data-young_uk_576cd7d6e4b0232d331dac8f
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