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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 06 2013 11:02 GMT
#201
On August 06 2013 19:56 KwarK wrote:
It's a non story, they're never going to get it and nobody wants them to get it, not the Brits, not the residents, not even the Spaniards. Politicians shit stir like high school girls.


A failing administration sabre-rattling to distract from the enormous problems within their own country. Let's hope they don't take the Argentina route :p
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 06 2013 11:09 GMT
#202
I doubt the Spanish politicians are that monumentally stupid. There will be some back and forth, nothing will come of it and a couple of months from now no one will remember it ever happened.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 03:34:30
August 08 2013 03:34 GMT
#203

Broadcaster Stephen Fry has urged David Cameron to support moves to strip Russia of the 2014 Winter Olympics because of its new anti-gay laws.

In an open letter to the PM, the International Olympic Committee and London 2012's Lord Coe, he said Russia was "making scapegoats of gay people".

The government said it was working closely with organisers to ensure the Games were free from discrimination.

In Russia, it is illegal to give under-18s information about homosexuality.

'Honest commitment'
In Mr Fry's letter, which was published on his website, he compared the situation to the decision to hold the 1936 games in Nazi Germany.

He urged International Olympics Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge and his fellow committee members to "take a firm stance on behalf of the shared humanity it is supposed to represent".


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2013 22:12 GMT
#204
A Conservative MP says he is "shocked" after learning of the extreme views of a right-wing group for whom he was a guest of honour.

Jacob Rees-Mogg addressed a Traditional Britain dinner earlier this year. But after a string of offensive Facebook postings emerged, he said he "entirely disassociated" himself from the Tory group.

It comes after an investigation by the Liberal Conspiracy blog, which found internet posts calling for Doreen Lawrence, who was recently admitted to the House of Lords, to leave the country.

Labour's Shadow Business Secretary, Chuka Umunna, was referred to as a 'Nigerian', Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi as 'foreign' and a win for the French Front National was reportedly described as 'excellent'.

Ukip MEP Godfrey Bloom was dubbed a "legend" for his "bongo bongo land" comments on foreign aid.

Traditional Britain said it was "disappointed" Rees-Mogg had been "frightened by these media smears" and admitted some of its Facebook posts were "provocative".


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#205
Food banks across Britain are being inundated with requests for emergency meals as families struggle to feed their children through the school holidays.

The Trussell Trust, which runs the country’s largest network of food banks, says this is the busiest summer it has ever experienced, with some of its branches seeing double the number of requests for emergency parcels since the start of the holidays.

Parents whose children ordinarily receive free school lunches are among those struggling the most, as they now have to find an extra meal every day. The trust says the situation is worse than last summer because of rising food prices – which despite falling slightly in the latest Government figures are more than 4 per cent higher than last year – and the impact of the Coalition’s welfare changes that were launched in April.

A lag in data collection means that complete national statistics are not yet available, but snapshot figures from 18 food banks around the country show that all have seen demand rise during the summer break. In Grantham, Lincolnshire, for example, the food bank gave parcels to 219 people in July, a 61 per cent increase on the previous month. In Redcar, Teesside, the increase from June to July was 71 per cent, while Dundee’s food bank gave out 538 food parcels in July, a 43 per cent increase on June.


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Also heads up UK Spain and Argentina are plotting:

Spain may take its row over Gibraltar to the United Nations, according to reports in Spanish newspaper El Pais.

According to the paper, the country's foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo is scheduled to travel to Buenos Aires to meet his Argentinian counterpart, Hector Timerman, next month.

During this meeting, the paper says, Spain will also explore the possibility with Argentina of a "united front" at the UN, concerning Gibraltar and the Falklands.

Argentina is immersed in its own dispute with Britain over the sovereignty of the Falklands, which Britain has ruled since 1833.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42691 Posts
August 11 2013 20:33 GMT
#206
Not gonna happen. Not until the people living there want to be Argentinians.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
August 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#207
Stealthblue you know you are supposed to wait until Kwark is out of the room before you mention the Falklands...
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2013 21:26 GMT
#208
Merica just giving a heads up to our cuz across the pond.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42691 Posts
August 11 2013 21:52 GMT
#209
It's just total non news. There is no chance of a middle ground ever being reached here, nor for any escalation to force.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9650 Posts
August 11 2013 21:56 GMT
#210
On August 12 2013 06:52 KwarK wrote:
It's just total non news. There is no chance of a middle ground ever being reached here, nor for any escalation to force.


If the politicians realized this they could save alot of wasted effort, time and money.
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2013 01:16 GMT
#211
Britain's big six energy companies have enjoyed a £3.3 billion windfall in profits over the last three years, Labour has claimed.

Shadow energy and climate change secretary Caroline Flint has criticised David Cameron's government for failing to reform the "broken" energy market at a time when families are struggling with a "cost of living crisis".

Writing on The Huffington Post UK she said: "David Cameron is so out of touch that he doesn't think the energy companies are responsible for rising bills - he thinks households are to blame.

"That's why he spends so much time tinkering will tariffs and telling people to switch around. What he's actually saying is that it's down to you. You're on your own."

Flint added: "People in Britain know that, rather than never having had it so good as the Tories try to tell them, rising energy bills are one of the main reasons they are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet and are having to make their money stretch further all the time."


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Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
August 12 2013 11:44 GMT
#212
Yeah the United Nations aren't going to tell Falklanders and Gibraltans (is that the word?) "Sorry we know you all identify as British and want to be British, but you are next to Argentina and Spain, and Britain did steal you a few hundred years ago, so we've decided to tell Britain to hand you over"

Also even if larger percentage of citizens, than the close to 0% there is right now, didn't want to be part of Britian it's really not worth escalating. I doubt either side wants to go to war over such insignificant pieces of land, although that hasn't stopped them before. This is almost certainly a political move from Spain and Argentina to drum up nationalism and distract citizens away from the more serious problems.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 14 2013 06:33 GMT
#213
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Commuters in England face an average 4.1% rise in regulated rail fares - including season tickets - next year.

Ministers say the rises will pay for investment in the rail network.

Trade unions organised protests at stations around the country and called for the rail network to be returned to public ownership.

Labour said those travelling on busy lines could be "clobbered" with rises of up to 9.1% as train companies add extra increases to some tickets.

Regulated fares are those the government controls, and include season tickets, "anytime" single tickets around major cities, and off-peak inter-city return tickets.

They will go up by an average of inflation - as measured by the retail prices index (RPI) for July - plus 1%.

The RPI fell from 3.3% to 3.1% in July, according to official statistics.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 14 2013 22:30 GMT
#214
Youth unemployment and the amount of people without work for over two years have shot up, official figures released have shown.

Unemployment among 16-21 year olds has increased by 15,000 to 973,000 over January to March 2013.

Meanwhile, the number of people without work, classed as long-term unemployment, rose by 10,000 to 474,000, the highest since 1997.

In good news for the coalition, the number of people claiming jobseekers' allowance has fallen to its lowest level in over four years, tumbling 29,200 in July to 1.4 million, the lowest level since February 2009.

Total unemployment fell by 4,000 in the quarter leading up to June to 2.51 million. However, this coincides with economists' predictions that unemployment still stay stubbornly around 8% until 2015.

The latest unemployment figures will also attract interest after Bank of England governor Mark Carney pledged in his 'forward guidance' to start considering increasing interest rates once unemployment falls to 7%, which would require an extra 750,000 jobs to be made.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 16 2013 21:08 GMT
#215
Happy days are here again, if you read the right papers. UK output grew by a mighty 0.6% between April and June this year, on top of 0.2% growth in the three months before that. “BOOMING BRITAIN HAS WOW FACTOR” boasted London’s Evening Standard.

Don’t believe the hype. This isn’t a boom. It’s barely even a convincing recovery. Only after years of stagnation, aided and abetted by George Osborne’s austerity policies, is it possible to present these feeble growth figures as something to boast about. The IMF now forecasts 0.9% growth for the year. That’s a third of the rate of the early 2000s. The economy is limping when we would normally expect it to be sprinting.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2013 20:32 GMT
#216
BALCOMBE, England, Aug 18 (Reuters) - British opposition to shale gas extraction flared up in the tiny village of Balcombe on Sunday as hundreds marched on an oil exploration site in protest at the drilling process known as 'fracking'.

Banner-waving men, women and children travelled in by buses and bikes to join locals in a mile-long trek, surrounded by police, towards a drilling operation run by Cuadrilla Resources in the picturesque English county of West Sussex.

Britain's government needs to win over a sceptical public if it is to stimulate a U.S.-style production boom and offset dwindling North Sea oil and gas reserves. The massive expansion of U.S. shale gas extraction has driven down energy prices and cut dependence on imports there.

"I'd like the politicians to know that they have to be more careful and consult with communities more before they allow fracking," said 35-year-old Gabriel Schucan before the march.

Groups orchestrating the protest said it would be followed by two days of "direct action" on Monday and Tuesday. Acting on police advice, Cuadrilla on Friday said it was suspending drilling due to the protests.

"Direct action speeds up the national conversation a little bit. It forces us to talk about the things we don't want to talk about," said Ben Healey, a 39-year-old environmental consultant.


Prime Minister David Cameron has been unequivocal in his support for fracking as a way to create jobs and cut energy bills. Land in the north of the country is estimated to hold enough gas to meet Britain's needs for the next 40 years.

But lawmakers in Cameron's Conservative party fear the push for more fracking could cost them votes in rural constituencies. A recent poll showed public opinion is split, with 40 percent of Britons against fracking in their area and the same proportion in favour.

Cuadrilla Chairman John Browne, a former chief executive at British Petroleum, said fracking for shale oil and gas was important for Britain's energy security.

"This is about getting domestic resources. Domestic gas is more green than imported gas, and we need to explore as much domestic resource as we can," said Lord Browne. "It's right for our energy security, and, if done safely, we should pursue it."

With natural gas imports from outside the North Sea set to surpass domestic production by 2015 Britain has been looking for new gas sources to meet rising import needs. Imports have so far mostly come from Norway and, increasingly, Qatar, but Britain risks losing out to higher-paying Asian customers in the race to secure new supplies.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 05:24:47
August 21 2013 05:24 GMT
#217
Wonder if this will come up in the PMQ's:

Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood was directed by the Prime Minister to contact the Guardian about the classified material handed over by Edward Snowden, it has been reported.

The intention was to spell out the serious consequences of continuing to publish material about UK and US intelligence operations, the Independent said. Earlier, Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger revealed his newspaper had destroyed a hard drive containing a copy of the secret documents under the supervision of GCHQ officers following sustained pressure from Government.

The fresh claims about Number 10's role followed earlier confirmation by Home Secretary Theresa May that she had been briefed in advance about the possible detention of David Miranda, partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, at Heathrow Airport.

The Home Office and Metropolitan Police have insisted the actions of officers at the airport were proper and Mrs May today said it was vital officers retained operational independence. And a spokesman said Number 10 was "kept abreast of the operation in the usual way" but denied any political involvement in the decision, adding: "The Government does not direct police investigations."


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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
August 21 2013 10:07 GMT
#218
On August 21 2013 14:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wonder if this will come up in the PMQ's:

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Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood was directed by the Prime Minister to contact the Guardian about the classified material handed over by Edward Snowden, it has been reported.

The intention was to spell out the serious consequences of continuing to publish material about UK and US intelligence operations, the Independent said. Earlier, Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger revealed his newspaper had destroyed a hard drive containing a copy of the secret documents under the supervision of GCHQ officers following sustained pressure from Government.

The fresh claims about Number 10's role followed earlier confirmation by Home Secretary Theresa May that she had been briefed in advance about the possible detention of David Miranda, partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, at Heathrow Airport.

The Home Office and Metropolitan Police have insisted the actions of officers at the airport were proper and Mrs May today said it was vital officers retained operational independence. And a spokesman said Number 10 was "kept abreast of the operation in the usual way" but denied any political involvement in the decision, adding: "The Government does not direct police investigations."


Source

I just read it on Spiegel-online and find it very disturbing. Forcing the press to shut up isn`t only not democratic - it is straight up antidemocratic. This is one more step in the wrong direction for our society and people need to wake up. Form an opinion and make yourself heard.

History repeats itself, over and over. Just look in the books (or at present "evil" states) and check what follows espionage of innocent citizen and prosecution of the free press. From there is always got worse, never better.
keep it deep! @zulison
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 11:15:09
August 21 2013 10:55 GMT
#219
I bet it doesn't come up. Even if it's a good opportunity to paint the government as undemocratic a labour government would have likely done the same thing had they been in power.

Having read the article, without knowing what was on the HD it's hard to say whethe or not this is wrong. I'm sure they'd try and downplay their actions by saying the information could be dangerous in the wrong hands even if that's not the case, but it also could have been dangerous in the wrong hands, hopefully someone from The Guardian comes out and says whether the information on the HD really could have been dangerous in the wrong hands.

edit: Having read a few more articles I think the holding of The Guardians editor's partner looks really fishy, why was he held and why was he forced to hand over details of social media accounts, I'd like to hear more about that story. Apparently the data has all been copied and The Guardian is still publishing the data in the US, so it can't be that big of a security risk to release it.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
August 21 2013 14:19 GMT
#220
how does it look fishy bro? he looked scared and pissed at the same time.
its intimidation. held him without a lawyer for over 8 hours. never about the info. they just wanted to send a message to journalist not to publish "spying on your own citizens or friendly foreign government" material.
they spend billions on these spy programs, does it even help against terrorists? its mainly used to keep governments in power.

the US government still hasn't proven that they've stopped one terrorist act with the NSA spying. they throw out numbers like 50 incidences or whatever. But remember when that xkeyscore leak hit? they immediately said top al queda agents are planning something and then closed off several of their embassies overseas like in africa. but none in the middle east? the top terrorist zone? it made no sense.

these guys in power think we're all idiots. but the main problem is the average guy is so apathetic that they get away with it.
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