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On June 14 2013 16:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
Can't you just persecute the people for animal cruelty? If that is not "enough", then perhaps the animal cruelty laws do not go far enough. But I see no reason to create another extra law for that.
But what if the sheep enjoys it?
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On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:15 wozzot wrote:
Eh, as long as I can still eat meat. I don't think animals can consent to being eaten either but whatever Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier. We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context.
It's your own words and definition that killed you.
99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat.
100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans.
What the fuck is wrong with you.
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On June 14 2013 18:54 Oshuy wrote:
What if you intend to kill them anyway after (in order to eat them of course), is part of a ritual killing still illegal (it's part of my religion, honnest) ? What about killing them before (I wasn't cruel to the animal, it's a carcass) ? Should I be weary of what I do with roasted chicken when in Sweden ?
Ritual killing like halal is illegal in sweden.
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On June 14 2013 18:57 eX Killy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:34 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:28 eX Killy wrote:On June 14 2013 18:18 nttea wrote:On June 14 2013 18:09 namste wrote:On June 14 2013 18:05 Laserist wrote:
This is the creepiest thread that I ever saw. Strange people, strange discussions. I second that. Really freaking strange if people say that banging non-human animals is ok. So fucking them without harming them (which is what this law outlaws) should be punished(and while you didn't say it, someone brought up that consent apparently matters here) But factory farming and then slaughtering them just for the pleasure of EATING THEIR FLESH is obviously ok? What the fuck you really have to start thinking about what guides your sense of morality. how can you justify bestiality by the fact that we breed them for food? you know that its just easier and more efficient to do that than to run around chasing them for hundreds of miles right. like somehow hunting them then eating them is more acceptable than breeding them then eating them. maybe we should all hunt our own food from now on and people can fuck elephants in their free time, except that there wouldnt be any free time because we'd be running around chasing them. *whooosh* edit: I hate starting a sentence with because, so I won't, but you can justify it because it doesn't really make sense to completely disregard their "basic rights" and slaughter them to satisfy our physical hunger but not have sex with them to satisfy our sexual hunger, as if the reasoning behind it in any way changes the act itself. "I had sex with a child" "That's disgusting, you should go to jail" "I didn't want to hurt them, I just really wanted to do it" "Oh, that's okay then" "I had sex with an animal" "That's disgusting, you should go to jail" "I didn't want to hurt them, I just really wanted to do it" "Oh, that's okay then" "I ate an animal" "That's disgusting, you should go to jail" "I didn't want to hurt them, I was just really hungry" "Oh, that's okay then" what, that would mean a vegan who is against the killing of animals for food would be morally sound when they claim that bestiality is immoral.
If this vegan or more importantly any person views animals as having the same rights as humans in that they are living creatures that deserve to be treated with respect and not as possessions, then yes they would not be contradicting their own set of morals when declaring bestiality immoral.
Intersestingly, such a person may view bestiality as morally sound but still be against keeping them as pets or as eating them as food just like we can have sex with humans but not keep them as pets or eat them as food, and more importantly such views are not held by the majority and thus not expressed through secular law, the reason for this point being raised in the first place.
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I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too?
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Dear god, I can't believe this is being so heavily debated... You all must be incredibly fucking bored.
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On June 14 2013 18:53 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:15 wozzot wrote:
Eh, as long as I can still eat meat. I don't think animals can consent to being eaten either but whatever Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier. We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. dude, just watch bestiality porn. the horses just want to get the fuck out of there or they don't/can't even get hard and are tormented for hours untill they do. the 100% of the time the animal doesn't care is bs. you ASSUME it doesn't care. edit: they get a mare in heat then have the horse sniff it, just so they could film 5-10 min of something.
doesn`t care in the context of love, let me clarify as that is the argument here.
as to the rest of your post, accepted.
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Well then people are gonna have to go to Denmark to try that out 
Still legal here, yo >.>
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On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too?
Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation.
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@KwarK
I think you are arguing against strawman when you say that idea behind the law hypocritical. I think the law is still about protecting animals from unnecessary harm. It just somewhat shifts the burden of proof. Before you had to prove harm to convict and now they consider all of animal sex to be causing animals to suffer. And the few cases that it does not are considered "tough luck". It is pretty common practice in lawmaking. Some activity is judged to be unethical in general and the few exceptions that are ok are deemed not worthy of loosening the law as it would affect effectivity of the law. Instead judges have discretion to not punish/punish less such cases where it is clear it was one of the exceptions.
And it actually HAS relation to sex with minors. Why do we ban sex with minors, not just because they cannot give consent. They cannot give consent in general and yet we are allowing them to do many potentially dangerous things. It is because sex with minors is deemed (potentially) harmful and cases where it might not be are not deemed practical to account for as it would cause greater harm in practice to loosen the law.
I am not saying I agree with their assessment about bestiality being necessarily worthy of such ban, but they are not necessarily being hypocrites, they are just making the existing law stricter based on common practice. I actually think it is a mistake as the harm done is not as severe as to warrant this approach, plus they are depriving some people from legally releasing their sexual tensions, which might has some unintended bad consequences.
Also to reiterate I am not arguing with you about humans being in ethics higher than animals. The relation to sex with minors is just in the same procedure being used for judging it banworthy, not in the actual ethical aspects of those two cases.
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On June 14 2013 18:53 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:15 wozzot wrote:
Eh, as long as I can still eat meat. I don't think animals can consent to being eaten either but whatever Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier. We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. dude, just watch bestiality porn. the horses just want to get the fuck out of there or they don't/can't even get hard and are tormented for hours untill they do. the 100% of the time the animal doesn't care is bs. you ASSUME it doesn't care. edit: they get a mare in heat then have the horse sniff it, just so they could film 5-10 min of something.
Does it matter if the horse isn't getting off on it? Horses don't get off on pulling ploughs either, nor on carrying mongol hordes across Asia. This is the same bullshit argument as when homophobes go "I don't personally mind what two consenting adults do but I'm worried about the children" while simultaneously giving no shits about children in any other context. You don't get to outlaw things you don't like unless they're harming someone and if you think that protection against harm should be extended to animals then have the intellectual honesty to extend it in more than just this one context that you disagree on.
That's the difference between believing in a cause and making an excuse.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
This thread has an unusually large number of straw men being employed o.o
Pretty glad I clicked though, far more interesting/entertaining than I thought.
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On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:
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Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier.
We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you.
You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified.
There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk.
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On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation.
I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you.
But we are talking about fucking an animal.
By your logic, should child pornography be legal?
In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be.
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This thread is a lot of fun actually. Based on the arguments, maybe change the title to "Should bestiality be allowed or not?" and not just limit if to Sweden. Fun read,
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On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:
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Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk.
I hope you respond to him again so I can laugh.
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On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be.
Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected.
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On June 14 2013 19:14 S:klogW wrote:
This thread is a lot of fun actually. Based on the arguments, maybe change the title to "Should bestiality be allowed or not?" and not just limit if to Sweden. Fun read,
What do you think? Should it?
Also, I agree it should be changed to that lol
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On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be.
I think you missed the post where Kwark talked about consenting adults. I suggest you go read the post.
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On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected.
Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line.
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