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On June 14 2013 19:17 ExKkaMaGui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected. Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line.
Yes, as with everything. Choosing to draw the line in a stupid place doesn't add anything to discussion though.
edit: and/or choosing to draw the line in a place that's inconsistent with where we've drawn other lines, which may be more pertinent in this instance
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I actually want to know how many people believe it shouldn't be illegal.
Am I the only one that think it should ABSOLUTELY be banned?
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On June 14 2013 15:57 Orangered wrote:
Sweden will soon introduce a total ban on bestiality, which until now has only been illegal if cruelty to the animal in terms of physical and psychological suffering could be proven. From January 1, any sexual act with an animal will be punishable by a fine, a maximum prison sentence of two years, or both, even if the animal shows no sign of injury or suffering.
Past legislation seems fine to me, why change it?
Also, the "not consentual" argument is bollocks. Animals don't consent to be slaughtered or forced to work either.
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Aaah. You Swedes..
Here's my question though. What if a Bull decides to have unconsented sex with you?
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On June 14 2013 19:20 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I actually want to know how many people believe it shouldn't be illegal.
Am I the only one that think it should ABSOLUTELY be banned?
Have you provided solid reasoning based on how we already treat animals on why it should ABSOLUTELY be banned? Apologies if I've missed it.
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On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:
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Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk.
Lol I get this PM:
What the fuck is wrong with you indeed. Stop stating baseless opinion as fact and being so overly aggressive. You just got off a ban.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Nyovne
I admit the 99.99% might be a little off, depending on how many pervs actually get fucked by animals to develop emotional connection. But I am quite sure that 100% of the animals DO NOT DO IT - FUCKING OTHER ANIMALS OR PEOPLE - FOR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. Which is the argument here, since a certain troll named "Reason" lol, stated that it is about developing emotional connection.
I rest my case.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 14 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:20 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I actually want to know how many people believe it shouldn't be illegal.
Am I the only one that think it should ABSOLUTELY be banned? Have you provided solid reasoning based on how we already treat animals on why it should ABSOLUTELY be banned? Apologies if I've missed it.
What I was trying to point out was that animal cruelty shouldn't even be considered in this case.
We should ban it just because it's disgusting.
All it promotes is all these lunatics to do crazy things, which definitely is negative to society.
What about necrophilia? Should that be legal? I mean the corpses are all dead so any damage to the corpse wouldn't really harm an already dead corpse.
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On June 14 2013 19:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:
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lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk. Lol I get this PM: What the fuck is wrong with you indeed. Stop stating baseless opinion as fact and being so overly aggressive. You just got off a ban. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne I admit the 99.99% might be a little off, depending on how many pervs actually get fucked by animals to develop emotional connection. But I am quite sure that 100% of the animals DO NOT DO IT - FUCKING OTHER ANIMALS OR PEOPLE - FOR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. Which is the argument here, since a certain troll named "Reason" lol, stated that it is about developing emotional connection. I rest my case.
Dude CALM. THE FUCK. DOWN. How old are you seriously?
"Make love" is an idiomatic expression. Reason was wrong to elaborate on the emotional connection, but really there is no need to crucify him for that mistake. I would really have reported you but I thought both of you exchanging nonsense garbage that is totally not relevant to this thread is too damn funny.
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On June 14 2013 19:17 ExKkaMaGui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected. Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line.
Picking your nose and eating it is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Is that really the standard we want to be using when determining whether an act should be legislated against?
I'm of the opinion that beastiality really belongs under the umbrella of cruelty to animals. Causing an animal to suffer unnecessarily shouldn't be legal, and how you interact with an animal shouldn't be legislated body part by body part, or by your physiological response to the interaction.
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On June 14 2013 19:15 ExKkaMaGui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:
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lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk. I hope you respond to him again so I can laugh.
Okay fine, if you're getting some amusement from his self inflicted public humiliation then who am I to end the party?
aNGryaRchon hasn't done a good job of making his argument, but what he attempted to say is this:
You can't make love to animals because they don't feel the same way towards you.
This argument of semantics is off topic but if you really want to get into it, there's no concrete definition of the expression so I can use it however I like.
To quote some random girl from yahoo answers:
"making love is when you have sex with someone you love and care about. Having sex is something you do just to do and with whoever. When me and my b/f started to have sex he would call it making sex cuz he didn't want to seem like a dork for saying making love. making sex is a great medium."
Based on her definition, which is the one I share, I'm justified in using that terminology. There is no stipulation that the held affection must be mutual, I could "make love" to a girl and she could just consider it to be "sex" with no emotional connection whatsoever, just because his personal interpretation of "making love" involves both parties feeling the same way doesn't mean that he's right or warrant his repeated attacks on me.
Based on his most recent post he is clearly confused about this. 
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On June 14 2013 16:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
Can't you just persecute the people for animal cruelty? If that is not "enough", then perhaps the animal cruelty laws do not go far enough. But I see no reason to create another extra law for that.
this. Same happened in Germany just recently. It was (under circumstances) already forbidden under animal cruelty laws, but they created a new law anyways. Easy catch for politicians because no one would really object but a really useless law anyway.
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On June 14 2013 19:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:
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lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk. Lol I get this PM: What the fuck is wrong with you indeed. Stop stating baseless opinion as fact and being so overly aggressive. You just got off a ban. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne I admit the 99.99% might be a little off, depending on how many pervs actually get fucked by animals to develop emotional connection. But I am quite sure that 100% of the animals DO NOT DO IT - FUCKING OTHER ANIMALS OR PEOPLE - FOR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. Which is the argument here, since a certain troll named "Reason" lol, stated that it is about developing emotional connection. I rest my case.
I think this is the reason why discussion rarely go anywhere.
People always have this mentality that a discussion is where you try to prove a point and that their claim is infallible (of course, the other guy thinks the same way).
That's why it basically ends up with 2 people disagreeing in a heated debate.
Even knowledgeable philosophers do this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein's_Poker
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On June 14 2013 19:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:17 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected. Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line. Picking your nose and eating it is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Is that really the standard we want to be using when determining whether an act should be legislated against? I'm of the opinion that beastiality really belongs under the umbrella of cruelty to animals. Causing an animal to suffer unnecessarily shouldn't be legal, and how you interact with an animal shouldn't be legislated body part by body part, or by your physiological response to the interaction.
Exactly, good point.
So my question is, where would you draw the line?
I personally feel that this kind of shit shouldnt even be up for question.
If you think this is debatable, where would you personally draw the line?
In the end, it's all opinion, and no one is truly right.
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On June 14 2013 19:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:17 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected. Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line. Picking your nose and eating it is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Is that really the standard we want to be using when determining whether an act should be legislated against? I'm of the opinion that beastiality really belongs under the umbrella of cruelty to animals. Causing an animal to suffer unnecessarily shouldn't be legal, and how you interact with an animal shouldn't be legislated body part by body part, or by your physiological response to the interaction.
This topic is really beyond my field of expertise, but what is the argument towards claiming that there is cruelty to animals in acts of bestiality? How do you define cruelty, or suffering? Honest question.
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On June 14 2013 19:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:53 xM(Z wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:
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Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier.
We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. dude, just watch bestiality porn. the horses just want to get the fuck out of there or they don't/can't even get hard and are tormented for hours untill they do. the 100% of the time the animal doesn't care is bs. you ASSUME it doesn't care. edit: they get a mare in heat then have the horse sniff it, just so they could film 5-10 min of something. Does it matter if the horse isn't getting off on it? Horses don't get off on pulling ploughs either, nor on carrying mongol hordes across Asia. This is the same bullshit argument as when homophobes go "I don't personally mind what two consenting adults do but I'm worried about the children" while simultaneously giving no shits about children in any other context. You don't get to outlaw things you don't like unless they're harming someone and if you think that protection against harm should be extended to animals then have the intellectual honesty to extend it in more than just this one context that you disagree on. That's the difference between believing in a cause and making an excuse.
so i'm a hypocrite and i don't care or, being a hypocrite is better then the alternative: kill or be killed, abuse or get abussed and so on.
but how about you?, you want to make rules for something/someone/everything else based on your judgement/reason/logic. that makes you just like me, not better.
ignorance does not excuse innocence.
edit: i also never defended this law; i argued how people can't make calls, any calls, in behalf of someone/something else but themselves.
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On June 14 2013 19:34 S:klogW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On June 14 2013 19:17 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:15 KwarK wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 ExKkaMaGui wrote:On June 14 2013 19:07 TheKefka wrote:On June 14 2013 19:03 ExKkaMaGui wrote:
I love it when humans try to ban bestiality because of the cruelty on animals...
Of course, we cannot just go and ban it because it's fucking sick (please do not say that is debatable).
And to those that will tell me that I find it sick, but others do not so who is to say whose perspective is correct?,
Insane people who kill for no reason think murder is ok. Want to debate that too? Well some people think group sex is sick,or even a threesome.If you go around and start banning stuff that's "sick" to some people you might end up in a awkward situation. I get what you are saying, and on almost any topic, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about fucking an animal. By your logic, should child pornography be legal? In any scenario the answer should be no, but by your logic, it should be. Production of child pornography hurts children who are people and should be protected. Saying that has as much basis as me saying, "Bestiality is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Thus, should be banned." In the end, it all depends on where you decide to draw the line. Picking your nose and eating it is disgusting and does not provide any positive value to our society. Is that really the standard we want to be using when determining whether an act should be legislated against? I'm of the opinion that beastiality really belongs under the umbrella of cruelty to animals. Causing an animal to suffer unnecessarily shouldn't be legal, and how you interact with an animal shouldn't be legislated body part by body part, or by your physiological response to the interaction. This topic is really beyond my field of expertise, but what is the argument towards claiming that there is cruelty to animals in acts of bestiality? How do you define cruelty, or suffering? Honest question.
I am guessing that the cruelty has to do with physical damage that results from the sex.
Now, there could definitely be psychological damage, but that could never be proven right now.
The animal might not even react negatively to it, but that doesn't mean it didn't suffer.
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On June 14 2013 16:16 FoxShine wrote:
"It's called 'Interspecies Erotica' you jackass" Nah but seriously, how isn't this illegal already? You can be thrown in jail for having sex with a 17 year old.. You would think this a no brainer.
Not in sweden. 
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On June 14 2013 19:27 S:klogW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:
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I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post?
Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk. Lol I get this PM: What the fuck is wrong with you indeed. Stop stating baseless opinion as fact and being so overly aggressive. You just got off a ban. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne I admit the 99.99% might be a little off, depending on how many pervs actually get fucked by animals to develop emotional connection. But I am quite sure that 100% of the animals DO NOT DO IT - FUCKING OTHER ANIMALS OR PEOPLE - FOR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. Which is the argument here, since a certain troll named "Reason" lol, stated that it is about developing emotional connection. I rest my case. Dude CALM. THE FUCK. DOWN. How old are you seriously? "Make love" is an idiomatic expression. Reason was wrong to elaborate on the emotional connection, but really there is no need to crucify him for that mistake. I would really have reported you but I thought both of you exchanging nonsense garbage that is totally not relevant to this thread is too damn funny.
I wasn't wrong to elaborate on the emotional connection, despite my original post being in half jest, people do make love to animals.
It wasn't a mistake to say that and if his subsequent spewing of bullshit constitutes crucifixion then call me Jesus Christ.
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On June 14 2013 19:05 aNGryaRchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 18:53 xM(Z wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:58 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:36 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 17:31 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 17:16 Reason wrote:
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Yeah this is the really funny thing and nttea mentioned it earlier.
We can enslave and/or consume them but make love to them? You sick bastard! Make love? LOL you're ridiculous! lol it might sound funny but I watched a documentary on this sort of thing and I've seen videos on the internet that confirm some people do genuinely make love to animals, whether you can imagine yourself doing so or not is irrelevant, it happens. I didn't think it was possible, but you just manage to be more ridiculous than your earlier post? Make love? Shall we go now and interview "couples" engaged in bestiality and ask how much they love each other to really feel the need to... make LOVE!!! lol how stupid is that! You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments. The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. dude, just watch bestiality porn. the horses just want to get the fuck out of there or they don't/can't even get hard and are tormented for hours untill they do. the 100% of the time the animal doesn't care is bs. you ASSUME it doesn't care. edit: they get a mare in heat then have the horse sniff it, just so they could film 5-10 min of something. doesn`t care in the context of love, let me clarify as that is the argument here. as to the rest of your post, accepted.
love is a human concept. also, universal morality would disagree with you.
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On June 14 2013 19:38 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 19:27 S:klogW wrote:On June 14 2013 19:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 19:14 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 19:00 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:51 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:45 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:27 Reason wrote:On June 14 2013 18:24 aNGryaRchon wrote:On June 14 2013 18:16 Reason wrote:
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You obviously know nothing about this topic so do us all a favour and stop posting asinine comments.
The most failed attempt at recovering from a stupid claim that people and animals can in fact make love. Good lord making love is an expression synonymous with having sex, but usually implies an emotional connection or meaning behind the action than simply having sex.Do you accept some people love animals? Do you accept some people have sex with animals? If the answer to both of those questions is yes then why is it so difficult for your infant mind to wrap itself around the concept that some people consider their intimate relations with an animal to be love making? Seriously, stop being a massive penis. Let's use definition then, and kill you with your own sword so to speak. I am sure 99.99% of the time or more, people involved in bestiality don't allow a dog's or a horse's cock into their vagina, ass, or whatever orifice because they want to express that emotional connection with the animal. On the other side of the act, 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise. There is no way out of this for you unfortunately. Just admit that you are wrong, that bestiality is not an act of love, and then learn from it and hope that you can develop better reasoning skills in the future. Massive Facepalm. You are sure 99.99% of the time based on what evidence? 100% of the time the animal doesn't care otherwise, based on what evidence? I didn't declare that bestiality is an act of love. You need to adjust your attitude very quickly and learn that your own ill-formed and baseless opinions are not universal truths and that if you want to have a discussion or post on this website you'll need to form and express your opinions with a little more humility and a little less pomposity. You'll notice my original post was made in a jovial nature; enslave was used instead of domesticate, consume was used instead of eat and making love was used instead of having sex. Learn to appreciate context. It's your own words and definition that killed you. 99.99999% because you know, other than porn stars where it is common, there is really that rare chance that that goat herder really wants to develop a deeper connection with his goat. 100% of the time because an animal does not fuck to develop emotional connection with humans. What the fuck is wrong with you. You don't respond to my questions, you repeat yourself despite being wrong, you display ignorance on the topic and you are way too aggressive towards me. I won't be responding to you in this thread again, if you want to consider that victory or proof that I am wrong then along with your many other misconceptions and ignorant behaviours you are entitled to do so, though entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with me, except perhaps an acute lack of patience for you and others of your ilk. Lol I get this PM: What the fuck is wrong with you indeed. Stop stating baseless opinion as fact and being so overly aggressive. You just got off a ban. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne I admit the 99.99% might be a little off, depending on how many pervs actually get fucked by animals to develop emotional connection. But I am quite sure that 100% of the animals DO NOT DO IT - FUCKING OTHER ANIMALS OR PEOPLE - FOR EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. Which is the argument here, since a certain troll named "Reason" lol, stated that it is about developing emotional connection. I rest my case. Dude CALM. THE FUCK. DOWN. How old are you seriously? "Make love" is an idiomatic expression. Reason was wrong to elaborate on the emotional connection, but really there is no need to crucify him for that mistake. I would really have reported you but I thought both of you exchanging nonsense garbage that is totally not relevant to this thread is too damn funny. I wasn't wrong to elaborate on the emotional connection, despite my original post being in half jest, people do make love to animals. It wasn't a mistake to say that and if his subsequent spewing of bullshit constitutes crucifixion then call me Jesus Christ.
To be honest, I don't know for certain if people "make love" to animals, but I definitely think there's quite of few of them out there. I mean... we had a guy eat another guy's face. Don't think it is out of the question that someone would do that considering there's tons of crazier things.
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