30 Days of Sexism - Alanah Pearce - Page 9

On May 02 2013 21:37 gedatsu wrote:

Yes you did. Right here:


Patriarchy theory states, in general terms, that society benefits men at the expense of women. In my opinion the reverse is closer to the truth: if society can be said to have a purpose, it is to protect and serve women. Usually at men's expense. If you look at the groups in society with the lowest standing, they are all male. We think to ourselves that it is their own faults for ending up there, but if a woman were to end up there with them, we look for a culprit. When girls do poorly in school, we blame the school system, but when boys do poorly in school we blame the boys.

Ironically, the reason that feminism sees such success is also the very thing that feminism tries to fight. Because at its core it is still a bunch of women complaining about stuff, and society doing what it has always done: rising to fix their problem. It is a very sexist behavior, but it is one that benefits women.

On May 02 2013 21:39 Velr wrote:
Hm... I don't know if this is a language barrier but i don't know a single german speaking guy (politician, private, forum warrior) that calls himself a "feminist"...

I'm all for equality, but my "problems" are that it does not seem that "simple"...
Examples:
Payment inequality is a problem, but studies have shown that part of this is due to women demanding less than men and therefore often end up being paid less. I'm 100% for equal pay, but to adress this issue you would have to "hardcode" the paiements a person in a specific job/position/company can get.
In Switzerland men are pretty much predestined losers when it comes to a divorce and all the things related to this.
Boys do GENERALLY worse in schools than girls (ithe diffrence is actually growing)
Boys have a (way) higher suicide rate in their teens (i can't imagine the shitstorm feminists would make if this would be the other way around).
Not many Women are leading big companies.

Now, my problem with "feminism" is that they only care for 2 of these problems, the two dealing directly with woman.

On May 02 2013 21:40 zatic wrote:

I don't understand your problem with this. Feminism is about gender equality. If it was about ethnic equality it would probably be called something different.

On May 02 2013 21:42 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Man, it's discouraging how many males in this thread respond with something along the lines of "woman complaining about sexism = attention seeker".

That really sucks

You wouldn't tolerate or think it's excusable for trolls to use the n-word if there was a black video game commentator. Or call a gay video gamer a f*g. It would be considered inappropriate, offensive, and on a website like teamliquid that maintains quality posting standards, would (justifiably) result in an insta-ban. Sexist bullshit should be held to the same standard (and I'm glad it generally is on teamliquid).

End of story.

On May 02 2013 21:43 Kotreb wrote:
One more question, how do you feel about this picture? True, not true, offensive...?
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On May 02 2013 21:43 Kotreb wrote:
One more question, how do you feel about this picture? True, not true, offensive...?
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On May 02 2013 21:35 Osmoses wrote:

That thread hardly seems unanimous. Seems a pretty clear case of vocal minority to me.

On May 02 2013 21:10 BreakPointSC wrote:
I realise a fair few of you seem to think females are the only one affected by this sort of behaviour. This is simply absurd i suggest you see this link. He covers some of the basic ideas feminists often argue. The fact is that humans tend to pick on the minority (I realise this is not always the case but a lot of the time, it is). In the gaming community woman are a minority, this is a fact, you cannot argue against this. That being said, it is not only females who are a minority. If you are overweight, disabled, mentally challenged etc. you will find similar cases. Instead of harping on about solely women (I realise the topic of the thread is focused on women and it cannot be avoided), we need to be aiming for equality, and this means for all demographics.

Now, the problem with abuse over of the Internet is derived from a number of things but none of these are easily changed. For example, moderating chat is one way of attacking this problem but it can be time consuming and often too slow, you need moderators who volunteer and are trustworthy (two traits harder to find than you might think) with large scale streams and videos with hundreds of thousands of views this is simply not feasible. My point is discussing this topic is one thing but when it comes to tackling this problem, no one seems to have the answers which are easy to implement and this is because they don't exist. Companies like twitch are a business, their primary goal is to make a profit, if something like moderating chat is not going to help make a profit, they will not endorse it.

MasterOfPuppets is making a good argument in understanding the fundamental problems with this topic and saying if Alanah Pearce cannot cope in this working environment she needs to either leave or adapt. Adapting will involve IGNORING a large portion if not all of these derogatory comments (which to be honest are not particularly bad compared to some comments) if she cannot do this, due to the fundamental issues I have talked about above she will not survive and does not belong.

On May 02 2013 21:37 gedatsu wrote:

Yes you did. Right here:


Patriarchy theory states, in general terms, that society benefits men at the expense of women. In my opinion the reverse is closer to the truth: if society can be said to have a purpose, it is to protect and serve women. Usually at men's expense. If you look at the groups in society with the lowest standing, they are all male. We think to ourselves that it is their own faults for ending up there, but if a woman were to end up there with them, we look for a culprit. When girls do poorly in school, we blame the school system, but when boys do poorly in school we blame the boys.

Ironically, the reason that feminism sees such success is also the very thing that feminism tries to fight. Because at its core it is still a bunch of women complaining about stuff, and society doing what it has always done: rising to fix their problem. It is a very sexist behavior, but it is one that benefits women.

On May 02 2013 21:46 Grumbels wrote:

We don't know who she is, nothing about this is sourced. But because it's a picture suddenly it needs to be taken seriously?

On May 02 2013 21:34 Darkwhite wrote:
Literally everybody with any sort of exposure on the internet will get offensive comments, generally targeting whatever they are expected to be sensitive about. Race, sex, weight, sexual orientation, crooked teeth, talking with a lisp all make this list.

Now, being a woman means that part of whatever harassment she gets will be of a sexual nature. Nobody thinks this is acceptable, just like calling someone a goatfucker is not acceptable language. That's why this sort of comments come up - they are being deliberately offensive, in whatever way they think might get to her.

Unless she gets extra abuse for being a woman, on top of what everybody gets on the internet for being surrounded by too many anonymous assholes, this does not have anything to do with sexism. The difference between a minority being offensive pricks on purpose and a problem of sexism in the society is sort of important, just like telling the difference between a girlfriend cheating on you and labeling women in general as sluts.

On May 02 2013 19:10 Velr wrote:


This is diffrent... this kind of "assholeism" is called "sexism" and for some reason is seen as worse.


/yawn.

On May 02 2013 21:43 Kotreb wrote:
One more question, how do you feel about this picture? True, not true, offensive...?
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On May 02 2013 21:49 Kotreb wrote:

Gratz on missing the point. What do you think about her stance who is in a way contradictory to the popular belief, since it's coming from a woman, not a man.

On May 02 2013 21:45 Kotreb wrote:

Exactly. How can you call a movement for the equality of everyone (as stated before right in this thread) if its basic meaning denotes the equality of only one group? This is with what i'm having problems with.

On May 02 2013 21:43 Kotreb wrote:
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On May 02 2013 21:48 McBengt wrote:


Oh, ok, you're one of those.

I am sorry that you have this strange persecution complex and that you labour under the massive misapprehension that society does not generally favour males. Your claims are a tad bit ridiculous, but I am glad you agree with yourself.

On May 02 2013 21:45 NDDseer wrote:


Pretty sure both of these things happen all the time, especially in anonymous comment threads, and the people involved are mature enough to just rise above it.