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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 05 2013 23:13 GMT
#61
Some hope for Venezuela!
Everyday Girl's Day~!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:16:09
March 05 2013 23:15 GMT
#62
On March 06 2013 08:13 funkie wrote:
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On March 06 2013 08:10 Grettin wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:06 funkie wrote:
Maduro said that Chavez got cancer because of the US conspiring against him. That they infected Chavez with Cancer, and that it was a conspiracy that tried to kill him.


Didn't they like expel the US ambassador or something similar because of this? Something i just read briefly. Anyways, I hope Venezuela stays safe (as safe as they can be, if you have any clue about the situation over there).


Yeah, that was earlier today.

I wonder how many people are going to buy this type of bullshit.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 05 2013 23:16 GMT
#63
I don't really care what people on TL or other parts of the internet think or say. I have too many Venezuelan friends who lost everything when Chavez took power and fled to the US because they either feared for their lives or didn't want to live the rest of their lives in poverty because they were part of the wrong party/had all of their shit seized by the government.

I hope they get a proper government now but I'm sure it'll probably just be more of the same.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
March 05 2013 23:16 GMT
#64
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
March 05 2013 23:17 GMT
#65
On March 06 2013 08:15 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:13 funkie wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:10 Grettin wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:06 funkie wrote:
Maduro said that Chavez got cancer because of the US conspiring against him. That they infected Chavez with Cancer, and that it was a conspiracy that tried to kill him.


Didn't they like expel the US ambassador or something similar because of this? Something i just read briefly. Anyways, I hope Venezuela stays safe (as safe as they can be, if you have any clue about the situation over there).


Yeah, that was earlier today.

I wonder how many people are going to buy this type of bullshit.


Uhh all of them. At my place at work, there are like 1-2 Chavistas, and well, they started "attacking" the rest of us because we said that was just stupid. They specially attacked me since I have traveled to the US and well, they "hate" the US cause they killed Chavez..

lol, some people are just plain ignorant. I wish there was a minimal education requirement to vote. That'd make things much much better for everyone here.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
March 05 2013 23:17 GMT
#66
Just because Chavez opposed something negative (US imperialism) doesn't make him a good person.

He did help the poor but not because of the goodness of his heart or because it was his ideal, he did so because the poor would reelect him, look at Uruguay's president if you want to see a true leftist. He fucked over just about everyone he could while still being able to be reelected. That makes him an amazing politician but hardly a good and noble leader.
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
March 05 2013 23:18 GMT
#67
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
March 05 2013 23:20 GMT
#68
On March 06 2013 08:17 funkie wrote:
lol, some people are just plain ignorant. I wish there was a minimal education requirement to vote. That'd make things much much better for everyone here.


this is a good idea no matter what country you live in. of course, then you have to have free education and the social stability for people to pursue it.

sigh. "next year in jerusalem"
shikata ga nai
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 05 2013 23:22 GMT
#69
On March 06 2013 08:18 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.

Not to mention that he gladly brought in Chinese imperialist influence in South America. For example, he allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by China.
bohus
Profile Joined February 2013
11 Posts
March 05 2013 23:24 GMT
#70
On March 06 2013 08:22 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:18 funkie wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.

Not to mention that he gladly brought in Chinese imperialist influence in South America. For example, he allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by China.


"He allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by USA." That would be ok?

Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:29:06
March 05 2013 23:27 GMT
#71
On March 06 2013 08:24 bohus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:22 Shiragaku wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:18 funkie wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.

Not to mention that he gladly brought in Chinese imperialist influence in South America. For example, he allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by China.


"He allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by USA." That would be ok?


We can debate whether it is okay or not, my point is that he is unbelievably hypocritical and is obsessed with anti-Americanism and anti-NATO. We are talking about a self-proclaimed socialist and Maoist on one occasion who allows foreign privatization.

Also to give a direct answer, I think it would be horrible if the railroads were privatized by any nation.

*Sigh* This man is worse than George Galloway.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 05 2013 23:28 GMT
#72
On March 06 2013 08:22 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:18 funkie wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.

Not to mention that he gladly brought in Chinese imperialist influence in South America. For example, he allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by China.

Whether it is Chinese, from the US, or European, it's equally as bad.

Hell, water in my country is owned by Spanish companies. And yes, it sucks. It's expensive, and service gets frequent interrumptions, plus customer service sucks balls. And my country gets nothing out of its own water. Horrible.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 05 2013 23:31 GMT
#73
On March 06 2013 07:27 Jetaap wrote:
And now we are going to have so many uninformed post about how he was a great man... he was a populist that bought his place in power by wasting the money that they got from oil, instead of investing it to really improve the society, fight against violence, corruption etc. Basically, a wasted capital.

I guess you could use the same description when talking about a lot of the leaders in this world, both in developed and developing countries.
yandere991
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia394 Posts
March 05 2013 23:31 GMT
#74
On March 06 2013 08:28 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:22 Shiragaku wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:18 funkie wrote:
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


No puppet? Haha, that's a good one. You might call him Castro's puppet. He always did what they told him to do, and they were part of all this "scheme" to keep his death secret and have Maduro on the power as long as possible.

Blah.

Not to mention that he gladly brought in Chinese imperialist influence in South America. For example, he allowed 40 percent of the Venezuelan railroads to be privatized by China.

Whether it is Chinese, from the US, or European, it's equally as bad.

Hell, water in my country is owned by Spanish companies. And yes, it sucks. It's expensive, and service gets frequent interrumptions, plus customer service sucks balls. And my country gets nothing out of its own water. Horrible.


Just sounds like service in general. Over here in Sydney our rail system is so appalling and has probably already hit rock bottom in terms of reliability, service, train quality, and cost. A foreign ownership might actually be good if they start downsizing all the flab.
bohus
Profile Joined February 2013
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 23:37:44
March 05 2013 23:32 GMT
#75
Forget it. He is dead and it is not going to change the world. Nor this discussion. Well have fun and great day.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
March 05 2013 23:35 GMT
#76
On March 06 2013 08:05 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 08:05 Destro wrote:
never thought hed die before castro.


Castro will never die!!!


Show nested quote +
I don't see how that makes what he did any better. It was dishonest because he was projecting an image of a principled rebel who was taking a stand against the big bad USA, when in reality he was just a petty demagogue who picked an easy target.



Because he was pretty much doing the same thing as any other politician (our Swedish government included)

But in my eyes he stood above the most due to his social programs and promotion of equality within Venezuela.

define it all you want, in my eyes, he did take a stand against the bad USA.


I'm not sure what the point is here. I've never claimed there aren't other politicians as bad/worse than him. I just don't like the aura of righteousness that sorrounds him, since I find it to be entirely undeserved.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
March 05 2013 23:39 GMT
#77
RIP.. So will the vice president take over easily or will there be some form of power struggle?
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
March 05 2013 23:41 GMT
#78
On March 06 2013 08:16 CoR wrote:
r.i.p.
one of the last big who hold against usa in worldbankeconomystuff and if you could say 1 thing about him, he was 100% NO puppet !


Anti-americans might seem a little more legitimate if they actually offered something that was better than or at least equal to american democracy/capitalism instead of just pounding at the lectern. There wasn't anything stellar about his economic policies and he was responsible for high inflation, high crime rate, and failure to meaningfully close the wealth gap.
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Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
March 05 2013 23:41 GMT
#79
This man was scum. Venezuela has large oil deposits, natural wealth and a stable region and instead of making it a paradise he made it a nation with one of the most murders per capita, made sure the population was poor and forced to work for the government (about a 3rd of the population does) and made use of anti gay and anti semitic rhetoric constantly.
Hopefully this will change and Venezuela will start following the path of Brazil instead of staying in the muck.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
March 05 2013 23:42 GMT
#80
On March 06 2013 08:39 DwD wrote:
RIP.. So will the vice president take over easily or will there be some form of power struggle?


The president of the Senate should convoque for new elections in 30days.

And then we should have a new President. ;p.

the VP can't take his place since he is not elected by popular vote, but by the president elected.
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