EPTEdit: I speel gud.
Hugo Chavez has died - Page 3
| Forum Index > General Forum |
|
McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
Edit: I speel gud. | ||
|
sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire Its incoherency is precisely its strength. Welcome to postmodernity. (edit: I'm gonna read that book though, thanks. Go Verso!) On March 06 2013 07:37 McBengt wrote: Possible the most overrated politican of the last decades, he was a loudmouth who made a career out of berating the US for the most frivolous and inane reasons. Good riddance. what's wrong with that? Somebody's gotta do it. The US needs some berating, I don't care by whom or for what. | ||
|
McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:37 sam!zdat wrote: what's wrong with that? Somebody's gotta do it. The US needs some berating, I don't care by whom or for what. Oh nothing wrong with it on principle, I do it myself from time to time. For Chavez it was a business model, and an incredibly dishonest one to boot. He was basically like a teabagger on steroids, anything the US was for, he was against, just because. | ||
|
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
| ||
|
sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
| ||
|
NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:42 McBengt wrote: Oh nothing wrong with it on principle, I do it myself from time to time. For Chavez it was a business model, and an incredibly dishonest one to boot. He was basically like a teabagger on steroids, anything the US was for, he was against, just because. the US have been doing that for years. Its called the Cold War (e.g supporting talibans against communism in Afghanistan, declining any kind of help offered from Cuba in order to deal with Catrina, forbidding people to get educated on Cuba basically anything with Cuba). I honestly dont see it as more dishonest than any other kind of political propaganda. | ||
|
Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. | ||
|
sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I honestly dont see it as more dishonest than any other kind of political propaganda. Exactly. I think Chavez was, at worst, just as bad as our politicians. but at least he wears red. | ||
|
McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:49 NEEDZMOAR wrote: the US have been doing that for years. Its called the Cold War (e.g supporting talibans against communism in Afghanistan, declining any kind of help offered from Cuba in order to deal with Catrina, forbidding people to get educated on Cuba basically anything with Cuba). I honestly dont see it as more dishonest than any other kind of political propaganda. I don't see how that makes what he did any better. It was dishonest because he was projecting an image of a principled rebel who was taking a stand against the big bad USA, when in reality he was just a petty demagogue who picked an easy target. | ||
|
Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
| ||
|
NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:05 Destro wrote: never thought hed die before castro. Castro will never die!!! I don't see how that makes what he did any better. It was dishonest because he was projecting an image of a principled rebel who was taking a stand against the big bad USA, when in reality he was just a petty demagogue who picked an easy target. Because he was pretty much doing the same thing as any other politician (our Swedish government included) But in my eyes he stood above the most due to his social programs and promotion of equality within Venezuela. define it all you want, in my eyes, he did take a stand against the bad USA. | ||
|
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
| ||
|
funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
lol. I'm not happy about it, but I can't say I feel sorry. He was very very very tough on people who deserved a bit of mercy too, and he was relentless and merciless to some people who were just vicitms. Crime rate is insane, people work just to survive, you don't get any security at all. Anyway, I hope the next one is a better and honest man, Capriles wouldn't be a bad change for a while. Maduro heh, guy isn't ready to be a President | ||
|
TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. If you want to see what actual hegemony is, study the British empire, America can hardly control its neighbors or influenced states trading patterns. When Canada is not satisfied with how much oil America is buying we simply turn around an offer it to China. When China wasn't satisfied with British opium flowing into its borders they tried to stop that but failed, badly. America doesn't have the economic means to influence world trade to anywhere near the degree the British empire did. You say oh look at the Iran sanctions that is economic control, I say look at the very American companies that broke the sanctions to continue doing business with Iran. The American government hardly has the ability to control its own corporations. If you actually read the book it would give you a good idea why America is a failing empire. | ||
KwarK
United States41934 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:26 sam!zdat wrote: I like to see people stand up to America. We need more of that. The man attempted a military coup, you don't get to talk shit about the elected leaders of any other country when you think it's okay to seize power by force. | ||
|
KwarK
United States41934 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. It's the same damn empire. | ||
|
Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:06 funkie wrote: Maduro said that Chavez got cancer because of the US conspiring against him. That they infected Chavez with Cancer, and that it was a conspiracy that tried to kill him. Didn't they like expel the US ambassador or something similar because of this? Something i just read briefly. Anyways, I hope Venezuela stays safe and things get better (as safe as they can be, if you have any clue about the situation over there). | ||
|
sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:07 KwarK wrote: The man attempted a military coup, you don't get to talk shit about the elected leaders of any other country when you think it's okay to seize power by force. let he who is without sin throw the first stone... My beef is AMERICA seizing power by force, which we have a nasty habit of trying to do. Meh, I'm not trying to defend Chavez, I don't know enough about it. I just got a soft spot for anyone who stands up to America, that's pretty much it. I don't like ANYONE who's in power | ||
|
Alryk
United States2718 Posts
| ||
|
funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On March 06 2013 08:10 Grettin wrote: Didn't they like expel the US ambassador or something similar because of this? Something i just read briefly. Anyways, I hope Venezuela stays safe (as safe as they can be, if you have any clue about the situation over there). Yeah, that was earlier today. | ||
| ||
