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On March 06 2013 08:07 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:23 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:21 sam!zdat wrote:On March 06 2013 07:14 tshi wrote:
I hope the next president is a bit more peaceful and works better with America/The world. I hope just the opposite! And why would you ever hope that? I don't know why, but if I had to take a guess, it would probably have to do with the fact that the US is history's greatest empire, with extreme hegemony and influence over many countries in the world, especially your own. There is no balance, and especially not total balance. I guess he doesn't want Venezuela to be another US pawn. :S Then again, we know how countries like that end up, especially if it's in one the world's most important strategic regions (Iraq 1991-2012). Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. If you want to see what actual hegemony is, study the British empire, America can hardly control its neighbors or influenced states trading patterns. When Canada is not satisfied with how much oil America is buying we simply turn around an offer it to China. When China wasn't satisfied with British opium flowing into its borders they tried to stop that but failed, badly. America doesn't have the economic means to influence world trade to anywhere near the degree the British empire did. You say oh look at the Iran sanctions that is economic control, I say look at the very American companies that broke the sanctions to continue doing business with Iran. The American government hardly has the ability to control its own corporations. If you actually read the book it would give you a good idea why America is a failing empire.
American corporatism alone practically runs 3rd world countries. You're right, the US govt. doesn't have a lot of power over US corporations because US corporations are ungodly powerful, so powerful that they are a huge factor in American Imperialism and one of the main reasons why the US dominates a good chunk of the world.
The US government is responsible for the political side of our imperialism. To give one example, between the end of WW2 and the Soviet collapse alone, the USA has come to essentially dominate Europe, except for Russia and a couple other countries. Rarely does an imperial power come to dominate other advanced nations, but the US practically holds hegemony over the whole developed world.
On March 06 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:23 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:21 sam!zdat wrote:On March 06 2013 07:14 tshi wrote:
I hope the next president is a bit more peaceful and works better with America/The world. I hope just the opposite! And why would you ever hope that? I don't know why, but if I had to take a guess, it would probably have to do with the fact that the US is history's greatest empire, with extreme hegemony and influence over many countries in the world, especially your own. There is no balance, and especially not total balance. I guess he doesn't want Venezuela to be another US pawn. :S Then again, we know how countries like that end up, especially if it's in one the world's most important strategic regions (Iraq 1991-2012). Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. It's the same damn empire.
Britain is not the USA. I don't see what you're getting at.
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On March 07 2013 03:17 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 01:03 fleeze wrote:On March 07 2013 00:39 Acertos wrote:
A dictator died should i feel sad? No, not at all even if it means trouble for Venezuela for the next 10 yrs the madness must stop at one point. Civil rights and equality will rise sooner or later.
out of the subject : when i see Jean-Luc Mélanchon president of Le front de gauche making a tribute in name of all the french to Chavez it makes me puke. He didn't say anything about Stéphane Hessel never did our president but when a fake socialist dictator dies everybody speaks of him as a good man. I've always hated this old roting branch of socialism which still idolize communism, extreme socialism and these fake social and radical governments. What you write is 'slightly' contradicting in itself. especially: 'Civil rights and equality will rise sooner or later.' you seem to have no clue at all about venezuela if you think another president would have done more for civil rights and especially equality. Chavez was no saint, but he definately wasn't a mad dictator. people shouldn't believe what they read about venezuela in main stream media. there is also another side of the story.great insight post by Nevermind86 btw. Jjust because he was better than could have been others doesnt mean he must be put on a throne, he's still a dictator who shut every oponent to any of his decisions and manipulated the opinion. I'm believing that with the fall of Chavez perhaps venezuelians will ask for better governments in the future. And even if it takes a lot of time there will be a time for real democracy and a sort of equality. Look at Egypt (and the arabic spring in general), they threw Moubarak out and it was the beginning, now they have islamists in power but there are still riots everywhere and i'm sure the "brothers muslim" will fall too as they have no clue how to lead the country and try to lock people's freedom. In 5 yrs Egypt will surely have a government who care about something else than religious matter and try to stop poverty. It will also happen to Venezuela with the fall of chavez as its beginning.
in which world exactly are you living? looks like a fairy tale dream land.
i don't think egypt will have a government without a religious party in 5 years at all. what makes you believe they will? they threw out moubarak and how did the situation of the people improve?
if you look at venezuela chavez has done more for the poor people in his country then any other president in the last 50 years. the country will now probably get another US friendly dictator that gives a shit about the poor and caters to the oil industry. just as it was before chavez. and it was not 'better' for sure.
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Some people are insane. Chavez was a fucking plague for his own country. Good riddance.
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Rest in peace - I wish for the Venezuelan's to manage to keep their oil, gold, income/social equality, medical care and free education he fought so hard to give them, for many years and not to become another brick in the modern imperialism's wall.
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Finally.
These have been lost years for the Venezuelan economy. An incompetent (to put it mildly) crazy-guy buying poor people's votes by keeping them poor. He leaves the country with a massive debt relative to other oil nations. Good job.
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On March 07 2013 16:50 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 03:17 Acertos wrote:On March 07 2013 01:03 fleeze wrote:On March 07 2013 00:39 Acertos wrote:
A dictator died should i feel sad? No, not at all even if it means trouble for Venezuela for the next 10 yrs the madness must stop at one point. Civil rights and equality will rise sooner or later.
out of the subject : when i see Jean-Luc Mélanchon president of Le front de gauche making a tribute in name of all the french to Chavez it makes me puke. He didn't say anything about Stéphane Hessel never did our president but when a fake socialist dictator dies everybody speaks of him as a good man. I've always hated this old roting branch of socialism which still idolize communism, extreme socialism and these fake social and radical governments. What you write is 'slightly' contradicting in itself. especially: 'Civil rights and equality will rise sooner or later.' you seem to have no clue at all about venezuela if you think another president would have done more for civil rights and especially equality. Chavez was no saint, but he definately wasn't a mad dictator. people shouldn't believe what they read about venezuela in main stream media. there is also another side of the story.great insight post by Nevermind86 btw. Jjust because he was better than could have been others doesnt mean he must be put on a throne, he's still a dictator who shut every oponent to any of his decisions and manipulated the opinion. I'm believing that with the fall of Chavez perhaps venezuelians will ask for better governments in the future. And even if it takes a lot of time there will be a time for real democracy and a sort of equality. Look at Egypt (and the arabic spring in general), they threw Moubarak out and it was the beginning, now they have islamists in power but there are still riots everywhere and i'm sure the "brothers muslim" will fall too as they have no clue how to lead the country and try to lock people's freedom. In 5 yrs Egypt will surely have a government who care about something else than religious matter and try to stop poverty. It will also happen to Venezuela with the fall of chavez as its beginning. in which world exactly are you living? looks like a fairy tale dream land. i don't think egypt will have a government without a religious party in 5 years at all. what makes you believe they will? they threw out moubarak and how did the situation of the people improve? if you look at venezuela chavez has done more for the poor people in his country then any other president in the last 50 years. the country will now probably get another US friendly dictator that gives a shit about the poor and caters to the oil industry. just as it was before chavez. and it was not 'better' for sure.
Yeah, keeping poor people poor is relatively good. It was, however, the main goal of his government, to keep poor people poor and to drag everyone there too.
Middle Class is pretty much non-existant here, you work here to survive, and saving money is..well, impossible since everything skyrockets everyday with the price of the blackMarket $.  .
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On March 07 2013 16:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:07 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:23 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:21 sam!zdat wrote:On March 06 2013 07:14 tshi wrote:
I hope the next president is a bit more peaceful and works better with America/The world. I hope just the opposite! And why would you ever hope that? I don't know why, but if I had to take a guess, it would probably have to do with the fact that the US is history's greatest empire, with extreme hegemony and influence over many countries in the world, especially your own. There is no balance, and especially not total balance. I guess he doesn't want Venezuela to be another US pawn. :S Then again, we know how countries like that end up, especially if it's in one the world's most important strategic regions (Iraq 1991-2012). Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. If you want to see what actual hegemony is, study the British empire, America can hardly control its neighbors or influenced states trading patterns. When Canada is not satisfied with how much oil America is buying we simply turn around an offer it to China. When China wasn't satisfied with British opium flowing into its borders they tried to stop that but failed, badly. America doesn't have the economic means to influence world trade to anywhere near the degree the British empire did. You say oh look at the Iran sanctions that is economic control, I say look at the very American companies that broke the sanctions to continue doing business with Iran. The American government hardly has the ability to control its own corporations. If you actually read the book it would give you a good idea why America is a failing empire. American corporatism alone practically runs 3rd world countries. You're right, the US govt. doesn't have a lot of power over US corporations because US corporations are ungodly powerful, so powerful that they are a huge factor in American Imperialism and one of the main reasons why the US dominates a good chunk of the world. The US government is responsible for the political side of our imperialism. To give one example, between the end of WW2 and the Soviet collapse alone, the USA has come to essentially dominate Europe, except for Russia and a couple other countries. Rarely does an imperial power come to dominate other advanced nations, but the US practically holds hegemony over the whole developed world. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:08 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2013 07:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:35 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On March 06 2013 07:23 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On March 06 2013 07:21 sam!zdat wrote:On March 06 2013 07:14 tshi wrote:
I hope the next president is a bit more peaceful and works better with America/The world. I hope just the opposite! And why would you ever hope that? I don't know why, but if I had to take a guess, it would probably have to do with the fact that the US is history's greatest empire, with extreme hegemony and influence over many countries in the world, especially your own. There is no balance, and especially not total balance. I guess he doesn't want Venezuela to be another US pawn. :S Then again, we know how countries like that end up, especially if it's in one the world's most important strategic regions (Iraq 1991-2012). Nah, the British empire at its height was a far greater beast. A very good book on the failing of Americas empire is Incoherent Empire by Michael Mann: Incoherent Empire After World War 2, imperialism evolved from territorial to hegemonic, like the old Assyrian style. The US dominates most of Europe (esp. after Cold War), parts of the Far East, parts of the Mideast, much of South America, all of North America, Australia, any country in Africa desperate enough for money that it allows itself to be completely exploited (and there's lots of those), and even parts of Antarctica (lol). The British didn't have that. Not even the USSR came close. It's the same damn empire. Britain is not the USA. I don't see what you're getting at.
..... lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire
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This discussion is ridiculous. The US has never been hegemonic because of the nature of the global economy. The US does not 'dominate Europe' in any way, shape or form. They are completely interdependent. The US does not dominate anywhere, and is not even considered a hyperpower in the sense that the British, Mongol and Roman empires were. The complete opposite of what you said is true - hegemony is no longer possible because of nuclear arms, globalism and a number of other reasons.
The British empire and the US are two completely separate entities, one partially filling the power void left by the other.
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I'm tempted to buy this week's issue of The Economist just to have a good laugh out of it 
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RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D.
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On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D.
That's right 
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On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right
Wanna trade?
I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch.
Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin..
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On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin..
You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years.
No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos.
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On March 08 2013 00:45 arChieSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin.. You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years. No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos.
Sigue leyendo los datos entonces, vas a llegar muy lejos haciendo eso.
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On March 08 2013 00:49 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:45 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin.. You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years. No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos. Sigue leyendo los datos entonces, vas a llegar muy lejos haciendo eso.
This is still an english speaking forum.
Also: May i ask which class you belong to in venzuela? from your posts i'd definately say upper class and most definately not of indigo origin.
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On March 08 2013 00:52 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:49 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:45 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin.. You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years. No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos. Sigue leyendo los datos entonces, vas a llegar muy lejos haciendo eso. This is still an english speaking forum. Also: May i ask which class you belong to in venzuela? from your posts i'd definately say upper class and most definately not of indigo origin.
I was or used to be MiddleClass, now I'm below it?
We are 3 working people in my house, and we barely make it sometimes. It's hard, things are very expensieve, I said to one of my friends who is an avid Chavez supporter, that he in fact, was a good leader in paper, but taking a better look at his actions and doings he just wasn't. At all.
He always told his supporters to be very violent and intolerant to those who did not support him, that we were the scum of the country because we didn't like his policies of giving away money for free without getting anything in return and whatnot.
Actually second time someome has said something among those lines to me, that I think that living well is bad. I mean, I want to live well, I do want to live a comfortable life, and I work hard for it. What's the problem there?
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On March 08 2013 00:49 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:45 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin.. You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years. No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos. Sigue leyendo los datos entonces, vas a llegar muy lejos haciendo eso.
Of course im reading facts. Thats much better than supporting the coup tried in 2002 no?
Chavez took out of extreme poverty 70% of the people that was on that situation
The country with less unequality in the whole continent.
Chavez took out of poverty 50% of the people that was poor.
Highest min salaries on Sudamerica.
Keep cheering the USA, wont help your country.
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On March 08 2013 01:09 arChieSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:49 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:45 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:41 funkie wrote:On March 08 2013 00:04 arChieSC2 wrote:On March 08 2013 00:00 Asvhald wrote:
RIP Chavez, always in our hearts.
His government may have had a ton of flaws, but I'd have exchanged him in an eyeblink for the bullshit oligarchy puppets we are forced to suffer through here in Spain.
In. An. Eyeblink.
This world desperately needs more people who fight the same fight Chavez did. The dream lives on :D. That's right Wanna trade? I bet you'd love Chavez's doings (or for that matter now, Maduro's) in Spain. That'd be fun to watch. Si no lo viviste aqui, entonces no creo que tengas mucha potestad de decir u opinar sobre como goberno, tampoco tienes que dejarte llevar por todo lo que dicen los websites (pro y en contra). En fin.. You better dont come in Spain if you wanna work someday in the next 10 years. No hace falta vivir algo para leer datos. Sigue leyendo los datos entonces, vas a llegar muy lejos haciendo eso. Of course im reading facts. Thats much better than supporting the coup tried in 2002 no? Chavez took out of extreme poverty 70% of the people that was on that situation The country with less unequality in the whole continent. Chavez took out of poverty 50% of the people that was poor. Highest min salaries on Sudamerica. Keep cheering the USA, wont help your country.
Haha exactly, keep reading the papers.
Highest min salaries on South America? really? they're calculating the salary at a fixed Dollar rate, which by the fucking way, not many people can get a hold of. You think companies are buying / producing at the 6.3BsF fixed rate per dollar? NO.
They have to go in the black market, because the goverment chooses who to give $ to. Let's put this in comparison.
The minimum salary here is at 2.047BsF. If you convert those 2047BsF to the fixed rate of the dollar, of course it gives you a high amount, but you cannot get your hands on those $ unless you're well connected to the government, traveling or something else.
The Blackmarket sells the dollar at 24BsF a piece. so..
2.047 / 6.3 = 324,9$ (very good ah?)..
2.047 / 24 = 85$ (not so good now ah?)..
btw, the fiscal deficit is at an all time high of 15% (which is also, the highest in Latin America). .
The reality here, is that, they will always claim that they have made improvements to the salaries here, but we still get fucked because all of the companies import stuff at 20-24BsF/$ or more, and it always hurts us back again.
Think again before making assumptions =p.
edit: Keep bitching about your work situation, it won't help you get better.
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