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Edit:
Thank-you to everyone for all the information and support.
Mods, feel free to dump this thread in blogs, and thank-you for allowing this to stay open it did help a lot.
Because we we stressed for time (given brief a few weeks before inquest), and denied the case to be adjured so we could get legal representation (not enough time for a lawyer to review also they were already booked) Self representation was also denied because it was conflicting as we were also witnesses. not all information was given to us and what i heard during the inquest removed all doubt from my mind "his video statement on her twisted neck" anyway
people here that i have been in contact with, made it possible to fight the crown and the judge agreed that the death was unnatural and not a suicide. however sadly, he wasnt even made to take the stand as he has just "vanished" and the case was ruled "open"
there is not much more legally with this case that we can now pursue.
But i just wanted to say thank-you, links to the medical journals, documentation etc. made it very hard for the crown to ignore us and completely dismiss the obvious circumstances.
sorry for my grammar etc, it was difficult to write this update
Jessica
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There is a man (Not my dad) that killed my mother, he will most likely now get away with it because of the method he used and lack of funding for investigation.
I have two days to do my own research, to rebuttal the coroners findings.
I am reaching out in every avenue possible, i hope you can understand that, and not flush this in the blogs until the inquest begins.
I chose to ask for help here (also sending inquires to doctors and have done a lot of google and searching through past inquest cases)
because i know that this website forum gets a lot of views from all parts of the world.
For those that don't know me, in the past i have run small female tournaments, casted with my sister ipl4 with tasteless & artosis, player interviews, set artwork for blizzard events, song parody video graphics, made sc song parodys as well as fan art:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170235
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163578
and livi is now GM. so we hope you do see us as part of the community.
The Situation:
My Mother was found with prescription drugs that would cause you to become drowsy. (autopsy findings)
Bruising on the back of head and arm.
cut lip, torn skin on chin and black bruised nose and lips.
circle blood stain on the sofa/couch arm.
death by suffocation, by neck or blocked passage of air to the face.
phone records puts the man in the room, for close to 2 days. time of death not possible, but likely during the early night the day before anyone was contacted.
after her death he stole her car and emptied her bank accounts and was found laughing and drinking with his friends at the pub.
scum of a person, found out he has previous avo, due to assault of his ex wife and weeing on the bed of his son and baby son in cot.
My Questions that i need help with:
Is there anyone, i mean anyone in the world that knows of a case similar?
In theory, yes, sleeping on your stomach can cause suffocation, but has there been any confirmed cases of this in "ADULTS" my mother was 44. ?
how much noise would you make from this type of self suffocation as the corner claims?
if it indeed was like "baby bobbing" sids
i mean just sleeping face down on your stomach and self suffocation. No chocking of your tongue, vomit, fumes or no "overlay" pressure from another person or any obstructing objects.
its important that it is an adult death, as infants are recorded with this death because there neck is too weak.
I believe that my mother was drugged, and smothered by pressing her face "hard" into the couch arm by pressure on back of head and arm. I believe that the struggle is evident by her face abrasions and force was used rather than a peaceful passing evident by the condensed blood pattern.
however i am fighting the logic and concept on "sads" sudden adult death, however it is arrythmic death syndrome, sudden heart failure, but nothing was wrong with her heart and i can find no cases of someone previously dying by suffocation in this way that is an Adult.
Is she the first ADULT person in the WORLD to suffocate herself without physical material entering her mouth by sleeping on her stomach?
When she was younger, the image we used on her funeral cards.
![[image loading]](http://thecheekyduck.com/mum/mum.png)
happier times
our family togeather
![[image loading]](http://thecheekyduck.com/mum/family.png)
Thank-you to anyone from the bottom of my heart if you are able to help.
Any information, links or resources is greatly appreciated.
mods: please allow 2 days, as you never know the depth of a knowledge pool until you ask.
Thank-you
Jessica & Family
*Edit: MOD
Please
there is a chance, that someone knows someone that knows if this has happened to them.
I am not asking for a fix, or money.
I am asking if anyone has information about this type of death
so i can present these possibilities to the crown.
I am not experienced enough or have enough time to find where this type of information is.
Edit: Sorry i am not asking for funding.
there is a lack of interest in the case. it has been investigated, what i am doing is reviewing the brief.
Each murder gets funding to research, depending on how important it is - the more money is given and more detectives/teams investigate. In our case, We did fight hard to get an investigation as it was originally ruled a suicide.
Currently we are going through an inquest, but findings are more possible of SADS (by suffocation not by heart)
instead of smothering, which is murder.
In Australia, if evidence can tilt more towards, not prove, but tilt, towards smothering we can send the case to DPP and we can finally have our day in court.
Edit:
Currently he cannot be charged as it needs to be first approved that there is sufficient case that a murder took place.
Edit:
they did know each other yes.
he was pulling a disability con
she was his career
he had her pin number, he was found guilty, but only fined.
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I just finished reading the brief again with a tooth comb with my sister, most of the summery from the crown had wrong dates and incorrect information, the report to the coroner was mostly incorrect as if they only skimmed through the brief.
UPDATE:
4.30pm
the ambulance workers found her on her back on the floor,
but lividity was on the right side of her body and inner left leg.
(autopsy: only right bum cheek and only left hand has a bruise)
lividity was on the left side of her face!
blood was on the arm on the left side,
testimony that lividty was set
midnight
Forensic attended the scene (the person has had this title for 12 months, only 1 person)
most of what they did was take photos
what they did find that lividity was on her back and could not be fixed, could be blanced.
front tooth pressed into bottom lip.
so for a natural death?
so when sleeping on her right side she twisted her head, she suffocated face down but at some point her face was moved/twisted more further into the couch? i don't believe you can naturally fall asleep in that position without assistance.
It is worth noting that lividity begins to work through the deceased within thirty minutes of their heart stopping and can last up to twelve hours. Only up to the first six hours of death can lividity be altered by moving the body. After the six hour mark lividity is fixed as blood vessels begin to break down within the body.
With this information they cannot give me a time of death smaller that a 12 hour window?
I believe the reason my mother has not been investigated more than basic "new" possibly training staff and young crown investigators is that she was very poor. And the person in question is a low life. If my family were not demanding every step of the way, this would already be over and most likely ruled as a suicide (we were once told that it was, but we demanded a further investigation and that possibility is now taken off the table, but when we buried her we didn't know, just in case i asked the priest to try and give her extra forgiveness if she did kill herself). We live in a world on who is worth your time and who is not, but i think she is worth digging to the bottom for.
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Oh my, well... I don't know what I can do, but I give you my deepest condolences.
That family picture really broke me. ;__;
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I really have no idea, but I would continue to try and publicize the case, maybe get in contact with people who've had similar situations and keep trying with the police, maybe get in touch with their cold cases division. I wish you well, your mother was a beautiful woman.
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I'm very sorry for your loss, and I hope you find justice.
EDIT: If you haven't pursued getting a lawyer yet, then you should definitely do this.
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What's the motive? Who the hell was this guy? Why was he around your mother while she was in an incapacitated state?
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Sorry for your loss OP, wish I could help.
On February 23 2013 16:54 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I hope you find justice.
In order for us to be of help, could you provide more detailed information or even documents regarding this case (if they're non-private). It's really hard to gauge much from a description. The man who is suspected, was it ruled that he stole her car and emptied her bank accounts, or is this an inference?
I don't know anything about law, but would sharing documents online breach protocol, like tainting evidence or something? Hopefully there are lawyers on here who can advise.
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Oh my god... I really dont know how adults can naturally suffocate without vomit or tongue. How drugged was she? Like did the autopsy reveal that she over dosed? Or was the suffocation the sole cause of death?
Given the bank accounts / car you mentioned its probably cold blooded murder  I really hope they put this asshole behind bars.
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I'm so sorry. This is terrible. Do you have a good lawyer? I mean the best lawyer you can possibly get? You need to get one and tell him or her everything you know.
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Woah that's pretty crazy, I would suggest posting this on reddit too.
On February 23 2013 17:00 GreenFaction wrote:
I'm so sorry. This is terrible. Do you have a good lawyer? I mean the best lawyer you can possibly get? You need to get one and tell him or her everything you know.
This is probably the best idea so far.
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On February 23 2013 17:00 GreenFaction wrote:
I'm so sorry. This is terrible. Do you have a good lawyer? I mean the best lawyer you can possibly get? You need to get one and tell him or her everything you know.
I forgot to mention this, but this is legit. You should definitely talk to a lawyer straightaway.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
There is nothing that the SC community can do to help prove or disprove this case. You need to go talk to a good lawyer as soon as you can. I understand your frustration at the situation, but this site is the wrong place to be looking for answers.
I hope that you're able to find justice, and I'm very sorry for the loss of your mother and the added pain that these events are putting you through.
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Fenrax
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On February 23 2013 17:10 Plexa wrote:
There is nothing that the SC community can do to help prove or disprove this case. You need to go talk to a good lawyer as soon as you can.
She mentioned lack of funding, maybe the SC2 community can help there? If this is legit, this is no begging thread.
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Foremost, I offer my deepest condolences.
Secondly, be more specific on to what extent of funding is available for the investigation - this is in fact of paramount importance. I will assume the absolute worst case scenario in that you will receive absolutely no more help. In this instance, it is more efficient and beneficial to look at this from a different perspective. If you truly believe that the man has murdered your mother, than there is little to no point in looking for counter-examples or previous cases of SAD involving an adult woman without an object causing suffocation.
Third, it would be helpful to learn of where the event took place - simply because assuming this happened in Australia, criminal procedures are different from what I can ween out. With that in mind, if the coroner is absolutely unwilling to allow the body to be reexamined, I'm afraid of the conclusions themselves - either yours or the coroner's.
I apologize for what I type but I am skeptical of how the coroner could come to conclusion of a SAD caused by heart failure assuming what you suspect is true. I quote "My Mother was found with prescription drugs that would cause you to become drowsy. (autopsy findings)" and "Bruising on the back of head and arm." What level of police force was in charge of the initial investigation? From what you've said, the man should have left an armada of fingerprints on both furniture in the room and your mother's body. I am also basing the logic that the man is careless and would not have considered gloves because 1. he has criminal history and 2. he was CAUGHT drinking and laughing as you've said - this is the best way to proceed given that you appear to not have the luxury of considering any other scenario. Furthermore, you need to exploit the fact that your mother's bank account was emptied. If the account is not shared with a family member then you are at a disadvantage however. You need to keep as close an eye on the suspected man as possible - whatever evidence you're citing when he was found drinking and laughing and emptying his bank account, follow that trail and have a constant tab on his location. If possible, confront him with other people while secretly recording. Anything at all will help.
Finally, do you have any access whatsoever to the room of the event? If so, I would recommend picking up some luminol available online and as much graphite dust and tape as possible. Again assuming that you will be receiving no more investigative help, procuring as much evidence as possible no matter how insignificant it may seem.
Due to the lack of info and short time I have, this is the best I could do but the biggest problem is that I'm not sure how Australia's criminal/investigative/prosecution procedures work. If worse comes to worse, you need to keep records of everything and seek a humble prosecutor's office - but hopefully it will not come to that.
Good luck.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 23 2013 17:11 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 17:10 Plexa wrote:
There is nothing that the SC community can do to help prove or disprove this case. You need to go talk to a good lawyer as soon as you can. She mentioned lack of funding, maybe the SC2 community can help there? If this is legit, this is no begging thread.
I understand that. Unless there is an Australian lawyer or law student sitting around on these forums willing to help then there really isn't much we can do except offering support. And indeed, I'm more than happy for this thread to remain for that purpose.
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If funding is needed, then definitely post this on Reddit. Reddit has a good history of helping out those who are in great financial need.
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I cannot offer my assistance but I can only extend my condolences. I don't think TL has an lawyer living in Australia but I wish you the best of luck... this is just so depressing to read besides funding(?) I don't think there is anything we can do to help out at this point except to encourage you to talk to a lawyer as soon as possible.
And what Chairman Ray said. reddit has a track record a mile long of helping people with things like this. I hope you find justice for you mother--it's just unimaginable to have to go through something like that.
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This sounds like something for a real lawyer. Maybe try posting on the law subreddit when reddit comes back up. I'm sorry for your loss
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Oh, and I just remembered. According to TL Manpower, Scaramanga does Criminal and Civil Law in Austrailia. He would be the perfect one to contact for this. I knew TL manpower was useful!
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Is there any way that you can provide some proof that he stole your mother's car and emptied her bank account? This can help your case from how complicated it sounds..
I hope you find justice!
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My condolences, however you should also be directing your concerns to the police. If a crime has been committed here, nothing anyone here can tell you will help unless you can convince the police to undertake an investigation. Without even taking into account the coroner's findings (death by asphyxiation), there are several giant red wtf flags flying in the way she was found - abrasions to the chin, deep bruising on the neck, etc. A toxicology screen, if performed, would indicate if she had taken the medication and also possibly be able to tell when and roughly how much.
Funding for an investigation seems like a BS reason - this from what is mentioned here seems like it would be a decent case with a good possibility for conviction by any half decent prosecutor.
With regards to positional asphyxia, the wikipedia entry may be a way to start - check the sources and external links at the bottom. It's possible, but the evidence as presented suggests that your theory is far far more likely.
As mentioned above, find the best possible lawyer you can find. Also, go talk directly to your state/territory's attorney general. It might not be a bad idea to make contact with the federal Attorney-General's Department. A potential murder should be the highest possible priority for any agency - and on a more depressing note, successful murder prosecutions can be significant career boosters for both police officers and prosecuting attorneys.
With regards to evidence, documents, etc - preserve what you have but I would not do anything else without competent legal advice (aka, not us, unless there is a certified Aussie lawyer amongst us - and if there is, why aren't they PMing you right now rather than reading me?) Certainly, if you can register a complaint with the coroner or someone else, do so.
There are a lot of other things to think of, especially if there are other possible concerns related to the case (if, for instance, the suspect is of a majority group while the victim is of a minority group or the like).
P.S. I'm sorry if anything I've said sounds insensitive or overly clinical - but it's a way of dealing with horrible things sometimes. Your mother deserves better, and absolutely deserves justice. Again, my sincerest condolences.
P.P.S. With regards to funding - this doesn't make sense unless it's budgetary funding towards the coroner's office, police department, or prosecutor's office. Murder investigations and convictions are not funded by private citizens, they are a function of the government (yes, also in Australia, if the Dept of Foreign Affairs website has any semblance to truth). Civil suits surrounding murder are different, and I don't think that's the problem here.
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